NMHockey Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) ***LONG READ. PLEASE READ ALL THE WAY THROUGH BEFORE REPLYING*** TRANSACTIONS 2020 OFF-SEASONW Loui Eriksson placed on Unconditional Waivers for Mutual Contract Termination (2 years × $6 million remaining on contract). ($6,000,000 in added cap space). {He's collected his bonus and I'm sure has figured it out that no matter what his agent does. They won't find a new team via trade with his current cap hit. He's made money in Vancouver and with how well the Canucks have treated him I'm sure he will come to an agreement to terminate his contract. Also make it clear to him that it's this or he gets buried in Utica. He can take the little bit of two-way hockey he has left to a new team on a cheap deal. He still has some smarts and ability he can add to a team and he can go find a new one without them being scared away by a big $6,000,000 dollar price tag}.F Brandon Sutter (25% salary retained) Traded to the Washington Capitals for a (Conditional) 2022 4th round pick. Pick is conditioned upon Sutter playing at least 65 games with the Capitals in 2020-2021. Sutters injuries the past few years are what makes this the condition. If Sutter does not play at least 65 games than the pick to the Canucks becomes a 2022 7th round pick.($3,281,250 in added cap space: $1,093,750 in salary retained for the 2020-2021 season only).{$9,281,250 in added cap space}. {Sutter has a fair amount of value still and although he is slightly overpaid, he only has one year left on his deal. With the slight salary retention he is an attractive veteran piece to the Capitals and fits their system well. They need another top-nine forward after some losses this off-season and bringing in someone like Sutter is a solid move. We need the cap space and he has become a slightly redundant piece here with the emergence of Gaudette and Motte the last year, the signing of a basically younger version of Sutter in Hawryluk, and with more similar younger forwards to Sutter in Lind, Jasek, and Lockwood knocking on the door}. SignedFrom the Flames:D Travis Hamonic (1 year-1-way × $2,225,000)G Nick Schneider (1 year-2-way × $700,000) From the Red Wings:D Madison Bowey (2 years-2-way × $800,000)From the Canadiens:RW Dale Weise (1 year-2-way × $725,000)From the Oilers:F Andreas Athanasiou (1 year-1-way × $2,075,000 W/Performance Bonuses) From the Penguins:F Adam Johnson (1 year-2-way × $700,000){$2,056,250 in cap space left over}. {I believe we need a couple more pieces to balance us now and should not be so quick to just hand over spots to young players like Podkolzin, Hoglander, Rathbone, Rafferty, Chatfield, Brisebois, Gadjovich, Lind, and Jasek). All these players in particular could use a little more seasoning IMO. Podkolzin and Hoglander are Petterssons future linemates and both are still 19 and in no need to be rushed, Gadjovich and Lind both only turned 22 in October and only started producing in the AHL last season, Rathbone is only 21 and needs time in the AHL to learn timing and defensive positioning before he is to be the next Torey Krug, and Rafferty, Chatfield, and Brisebois would be better off starting the season with Utica to keep getting ice time rather than being 7th and/or 8th defencemen. Juolevi is the only lock and has the most upside out of all the young D-men outside of maybe Rathbone and Juolevi got the most practice time with the big club this past season and snuck in a playoff game against Minnesota. The blueline needs veteran pieces that help now and give these young D-men a little more time to smooth out their game. Lastly Jasek has potentially more offensive upside than Lind but he needs to add more size and speed and just signed over in Europe for the season. With these signings we add back some lost veteran RHD grit and heady two-way play in Hamonic. If Hamonic can stay healthy he may be able to fully hit his ceiling that he was teasing at with the Islanders. He was once highly touted and he only just turned 30. It's also been rumoured Benning wants Hamonic but cap is the only issue. We add a young, tall goaltender with a little upside in Nick Schneider and you can never have too many goaltenders in the system. We add a potentially big steal in a relatively young D-man with a good frame (6'2, 198 Lbs) and a WHL history of smooth puck-moving feet and solid point-shot ability in Madison Bowey. He's garnered a couple seasons of experience now in Washington and Detroit, got his name on the Cup with the Capitals in 2018 and albeit never played in the Playoffs, he did help them in the Regular Season as a decent, rookie-year, 5th/6th D-man and had 12 points in 51 games. He's seen what it takes to win first-hand and he's familiar with and played with Holtby and Beagle. Under Travis Greens all-out two-way system I think he can clean up his defensive smarts and add intensity that he needs. I believe he's a further-along version of Rafferty and creates some healthy competition. If he does not tap into his potential here than he is still great depth and can be kept in Utica mainly. We add a smart, hard-skating, physical, 200 foot veteran winger and former Canuck in Weise who spent his first two NHL seasons here. After his trade to Montreal he tapped into some offensive ability thanks to his decent speed on the forecheck when he's on his forechecking game. Since then he's been in Montreal, Chicago, Philadelphia, Montreal again, and Philadelphias and Montreals AHL teams. He's now 32 and may never be a 25-30 point, speedy, agitator ever again. But coming here could help him find his legs again and he's still a great example on the young players in Utica or Vancouver and will fight anyone. We add Athanasiou who's taunted many times with his ability and speed. His speed is poor-mans McDavid-level and he's had a 30 goal season and is tenacious (dropped the gloves more times than people would think). A few years ago people were putting his speed and skating in the class of McDavid, MacKinnon, Larkin. He has had some injuries from playing reckless with speed and some attitude issues and was a -46 last season. But he spent 75% of the season on the worst team in the NHL in Detroit and his knock has always been learning to play two-way hockey and be disciplined. He's only 26 and under Travis Green and playing around mature leaders like Horvat, Miller, Beagle, Edler, Myers I think he could put it together here and become a main-stay or a good option as bait for Seattle so they stay away from a young player we can't protect and don't want to lose. It was reported Benning checked in on him and his agent too. There's no denying his top-end speed and offensive-minded flair and if he gets going than our forward group becomes scary good. Lastly we add Adam Johnson who's been a prospect of Pittsburgh his whole career and is now a UFA. He's played a combined 13 NHL games the past two seasons and put up 4 points (1 goal and 3 assists). He was an NCAA standout and is a top six guy in the AHL and would be great for Utica. He's still only 26 albeit and has some upside as a bottom six NHL forward. He has a decent frame at 6'0, 170 Lbs, plays with constant energy and does not stop moving his feet. He still has the potential to become a Tyler Motte type of player and just needs some more muscle to make up for being a gung-ho guy. Play him at Center in Utica and have him be a main injury/emergency call-up along with Baertschi, Weise, & Ju.Bailey. The first four signings on this list are also nice because they are a little payback to the teams that cost us some big losses in Free Agency. Calgary grabbed Markstrom, Tanev, Leivo, Domingue and we come right back at them and take Hamonic and N.Schneider (plus we did sign Fantenberg from them last year who was a great help on the blueline all season and playoffs and an example for young players). Markstrom, Tanev, Leivo, Domingue for taking Fantenberg and now Hamonic and N.Schneider is a little easier to accept. Montreal grabbed Toffoli and we grab Weise who is no comparison at all but it's a little shot back their way and they did like what Weise brought to the table. Plus we traded Weise to them for Raphael Diaz seven years ago, who in turn we flipped to NYR for a 5th round pick which ended up being Gaudette. At the end of it we win the Weise trade and wind up with Gaudette and Weise. Lastly Detroit grabbed Stecher which I think was the last straw for alot of people. Markstrom, Tanev, Toffoli were always going to be expensive question marks and somewhat replaceable. But Stecher would've been the cheapest to keep and was a hometown guy who played both ends of the ice like his life depended on it. It was even said by him that he signed with Detroit not because of money but because of time and the Canucks kept him waiting while they took too long elsewhere. (Circling Ekman-Larsson before grabbing Schmidt, bardering with Tanev, etc). Taking another RHD in Bowey gets back at Detroit for Stecher and Bowey is of similar age but is far bigger and has more offensive upside and a better shot. All in all these are not just petty payback signings but actually very good fits and help us now and maybe push us over the edge. We were one goal away from the WCF and yes we have young players developing but this team is also in win-now mode again. The Hamonic and Athanasiou signings in particular are huge adds. LINE-UP 2021 SEASONMiller-Pettersson-VirtanenPearson-Horvat-BoeserAthanasiou-Gaudette-HawrylukRoussel-Beagle-MotteEx: MacEwen(LTIR: Ferland)Q.Hughes-T.MyersEdler-SchmidtJuolevi-HamonicEx: Jo.Benn-BoweyDemkoHoltbyLIKELY IN UTICA (&/OR KALAMAZOO)Baertschi - A.Johnson - WeiseGadjovich - Michaelis - Ju.BaileyTBD? - TBD? - Lind TBD? - TBD? - Lockwood Rathbone-RaffertySautner-ChatfieldTeves-BriseboisTBD?-EliotDiPietro KiellyN.SchneiderLIKELY IN EUROPE (Organizational Depth-Chart View)Hoglander-L.Karlsson-PodkolzinPalmu-Zlodeyev-ManukyanPlasek-Costmar-ZhukenovTryamkin-JurmoUtunen-V.PerssonSilovsLIKELY IN NCAA & MAJOR JUNIOR (Organizational Depth-Chart View)McDonough-Focht-J.MaloneKeppen-Kunz- Truscott-Woo M.Thiessen LINE-UP IF FERLAND RETURNS (GUESSTIMATING A FULLY HEALED AND SAFE RETURN BY END OF REGULAR SEASON/START OF PLAYOFFS)Miller-Pettersson-VirtanenPearson-Horvat-BoeserFerland-Gaudette-AthanasiouRoussel-Beagle-MotteEx: -Hawryluk-MacEwenQ.Hughes-T.MyersEdler-SchmidtJuolevi-HamonicEx: BoweyDemkoHoltby{D Jordie Benn and his $2,000,000 cap hit is sent to Utica (placed on Waivers) to make room for Ferlands $3,500,000 cap hit coming off of LTIR. $2,000,000 plus an already $2,056,250 in cap space equals $4,056,250 in cap space to take Ferland off of LTIR}.{Essentially a Trade-Deadline Deal of Jordie Benn for Micheal Ferland}. 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Phil_314 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 *Sees wall of text, mutual contract termination for Loui and multi-trade, multi-signing proposal* 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Phil_314 said: *Sees wall of text, mutual contract termination for Loui and multi-trade, multi-signing proposal* Everyone has talked about how it's worth trying it with Eriksson since he got to collect his bonus this summer. Sorry but do you have a better idea and have you spent hours writing anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 (edited) On November 21, 2020 at 12:46 PM, ZH96 said: ***LONG READ. PLEASE READ ALL THE WAY THROUGH BEFORE REPLYING*** TRANSACTIONS 2020 OFF-SEASONW Loui Eriksson placed on Unconditional Waivers for Mutual Contract Termination (2 years × $6 million remaining on contract). ($6,000,000 in added cap space). {He's collected his bonus and I'm sure has figured it out that no matter what his agent does. They won't find a new team via trade with his current cap hit. He's made money in Vancouver and with how well the Canucks have treated him I'm sure he will come to an agreement to terminate his contract. Also make it clear to him that it's this or he gets buried in Utica. He can take the little bit of two-way hockey he has left to a new team on a cheap deal. He still has some smarts and ability he can add to a team and he can go find a new one without them being scared away by a big $6,000,000 dollar price tag}.F Brandon Sutter (25% salary retained) Traded to the Washington Capitals for a (Conditional) 2022 4th round pick. Pick is conditioned upon Sutter playing at least 65 games with the Capitals in 2020-2021. Sutters injuries the past few years are what makes this the condition. If Sutter does not play at least 65 games than the pick to the Canucks becomes a 2022 7th round pick.($3,281,250 in added cap space: $1,093,750 in salary retained for the 2020-2021 season only).{$9,281,250 in added cap space}. {Sutter has a fair amount of value still and although he is slightly overpaid, he only has one year left on his deal. With the slight salary retention he is an attractive veteran piece to the Capitals and fits their system well. They need another top-nine forward after some losses this off-season and bringing in someone like Sutter is a solid move. We need the cap space and he has become a slightly redundant piece here with the emergence of Gaudette and Motte the last year, the signing of a basically younger version of Sutter in Hawryluk, and with more similar younger forwards to Sutter in Lind, Jasek, and Lockwood knocking on the door}. SignedFrom the Flames:D Travis Hamonic (1 year-1-way × $2,225,000)G Nick Schneider (1 year-2-way × $700,000) From the Red Wings:D Madison Bowey (2 years-2-way × $800,000)From the Canadiens:RW Dale Weise (1 year-2-way × $725,000)From the Oilers:F Andreas Athanasiou (1 year-1-way × $2,075,000 W/Performance Bonuses) From the Penguins:F Adam Johnson (1 year-2-way × $700,000){$2,056,250 in cap space left over}. {I believe we need a couple more pieces to balance us now and should not be so quick to just hand over spots to young players like Podkolzin, Hoglander, Rathbone, Rafferty, Chatfield, Brisebois, Gadjovich, Lind, and Jasek). All these players in particular could use a little more seasoning IMO. Podkolzin and Hoglander are Petterssons future linemates and both are still 19 and in no need to be rushed, Gadjovich and Lind both only turned 22 in October and only started producing in the AHL last season, Rathbone is only 21 and needs time in the AHL to learn timing and defensive positioning before he is to be the next Torey Krug, and Rafferty, Chatfield, and Brisebois would be better off starting the season with Utica to keep getting ice time rather than being 7th and/or 8th defencemen. Juolevi is the only lock and has the most upside out of all the young D-men outside of maybe Rathbone and Juolevi got the most practice time with the big club this past season and snuck in a playoff game against Minnesota. The blueline needs veteran pieces that help now and give these young D-men a little more time to smooth out their game. Lastly Jasek has potentially more offensive upside than Lind but he needs to add more size and speed and just signed over in Europe for the season. With these signings we add back some lost veteran RHD grit and heady two-way play in Hamonic. If Hamonic can stay healthy he may be able to fully hit his ceiling that he was teasing at with the Islanders. He was once highly touted and he only just turned 30. It's also been rumoured Benning wants Hamonic but cap is the only issue. We add a young, tall goaltender with a little upside in Nick Schneider and you can never have too many goaltenders in the system. We add a potentially big steal in a relatively young D-man with a good frame (6'2, 198 Lbs) and a WHL history of smooth puck-moving feet and solid point-shot ability in Madison Bowey. He's garnered a couple seasons of experience now in Washington and Detroit, got his name on the Cup with the Capitals in 2018 and albeit never played in the Playoffs, he did help them in the Regular Season as a decent, rookie-year, 5th/6th D-man and had 12 points in 51 games. He's seen what it takes to win first-hand and he's familiar with and played with Holtby and Beagle. Under Travis Greens all-out two-way system I think he can clean up his defensive smarts and add intensity that he needs. I believe he's a further-along version of Rafferty and creates some healthy competition. If he does not tap into his potential here than he is still great depth and can be kept in Utica mainly. We add a smart, hard-skating, physical, 200 foot veteran winger and former Canuck in Weise who spent his first two NHL seasons here. After his trade to Montreal he tapped into some offensive ability thanks to his decent speed on the forecheck when he's on his forechecking game. Since then he's been in Montreal, Chicago, Philadelphia, Montreal again, and Philadelphias and Montreals AHL teams. He's now 32 and may never be a 25-30 point, speedy, agitator ever again. But coming here could help him find his legs again and he's still a great example on the young players in Utica or Vancouver and will fight anyone. We add Athanasiou who's taunted many times with his ability and speed. His speed is poor-mans McDavid-level and he's had a 30 goal season and is tenacious (dropped the gloves more times than people would think). A few years ago people were putting his speed and skating in the class of McDavid, MacKinnon, Larkin. He has had some injuries from playing reckless with speed and some attitude issues and was a -46 last season. But he spent 75% of the season on the worst team in the NHL in Detroit and his knock has always been learning to play two-way hockey and be disciplined. He's only 26 and under Travis Green and playing around mature leaders like Horvat, Miller, Beagle, Edler, Myers I think he could put it together here and become a main-stay or a good option as bait for Seattle so they stay away from a young player we can't protect and don't want to lose. It was reported Benning checked in on him and his agent too. There's no denying his top-end speed and offensive-minded flair and if he gets going than our forward group becomes scary good. Lastly we add Adam Johnson who's been a prospect of Pittsburgh his whole career and is now a UFA. He's played a combined 13 NHL games the past two seasons and put up 4 points (1 goal and 3 assists). He was an NCAA standout and is a top six guy in the AHL and would be great for Utica. He's still only 26 albeit and has some upside as a bottom six NHL forward. He has a decent frame at 6'0, 170 Lbs, plays with constant energy and does not stop moving his feet. He still has the potential to become a Tyler Motte type of player and just needs some more muscle to make up for being a gung-ho guy. Play him at Center in Utica and have him be a main injury/emergency call-up along with Baertschi, Weise, & Ju.Bailey. The first four signings on this list are also nice because they are a little payback to the teams that cost us some big losses in Free Agency. Calgary grabbed Markstrom, Tanev, Leivo, Domingue and we come right back at them and take Hamonic and N.Schneider (plus we did sign Fantenberg from them last year who was a great help on the blueline all season and playoffs and an example for young players). Markstrom, Tanev, Leivo, Domingue for taking Fantenberg and now Hamonic and N.Schneider is a little easier to accept. Montreal grabbed Toffoli and we grab Weise who is no comparison at all but it's a little shot back their way and they did like what Weise brought to the table. Plus we traded Weise to them for Raphael Diaz seven years ago, who in turn we flipped to NYR for a 5th round pick which ended up being Gaudette. At the end of it we win the Weise trade and wind up with Gaudette and Weise. Lastly Detroit grabbed Stecher which I think was the last straw for alot of people. Markstrom, Tanev, Toffoli were always going to be expensive question marks and somewhat replaceable. But Stecher would've been the cheapest to keep and was a hometown guy who played both ends of the ice like his life depended on it. It was even said by him that he signed with Detroit not because of money but because of time and the Canucks kept him waiting while they took too long elsewhere. (Circling Ekman-Larsson before grabbing Schmidt, bardering with Tanev, etc). Taking another RHD in Bowey gets back at Detroit for Stecher and Bowey is of similar age but is far bigger and has more offensive upside and a better shot. All in all these are not just petty payback signings but actually very good fits and help us now and maybe push us over the edge. We were one goal away from the WCF and yes we have young players developing but this team is also in win-now mode again. The Hamonic and Athanasiou signings in particular are huge adds. LINE-UP 2021 SEASONMiller-Pettersson-VirtanenPearson-Horvat-BoeserAthanasiou-Gaudette-HawrylukRoussel-Beagle-MotteEx: MacEwen(LTIR: Ferland)Q.Hughes-T.MyersEdler-SchmidtJuolevi-HamonicEx: Jo.Benn-BoweyDemkoHoltbyLIKELY IN UTICA (&/OR KALAMAZOO)Baertschi - A.Johnson - WeiseGadjovich - Michaelis - Ju.BaileyTBD? - TBD? - Lind TBD? - TBD? - Lockwood Rathbone-RaffertySautner-ChatfieldTeves-BriseboisTBD?-EliotDiPietro KiellyN.SchneiderLIKELY IN EUROPE (Organizational Depth-Chart View)Hoglander-L.Karlsson-PodkolzinPalmu-Zlodeyev-ManukyanPlasek-Costmar-ZhukenovTryamkin-JurmoUtunen-V.PerssonSilovsLIKELY IN NCAA & MAJOR JUNIOR (Organizational Depth-Chart View)McDonough-Focht-J.MaloneKeppen-Kunz- Truscott-Woo M.Thiessen LINE-UP IF FERLAND RETURNS (GUESSTIMATING A FULLY HEALED AND SAFE RETURN BY END OF REGULAR SEASON/START OF PLAYOFFS)Miller-Pettersson-VirtanenPearson-Horvat-BoeserFerland-Gaudette-AthanasiouRoussel-Beagle-MotteEx: -Hawryluk-MacEwenQ.Hughes-T.MyersEdler-SchmidtJuolevi-HamonicEx: BoweyDemkoHoltby{D Jordie Benn and his $2,000,000 cap hit is sent to Utica (placed on Waivers) to make room for Ferlands $3,500,000 cap hit coming off of LTIR. $2,000,000 plus an already $2,056,250 in cap space equals $4,056,250 in cap space to take Ferland off of LTIR}.{Essentially a Trade-Deadline Deal of Jordie Benn for Micheal Ferland}. I like signing Hamonic 1 yr X 2.2 ---- Madison Bowey, 6'2, 210, like this young D man watched him in WHL lots, dominated..... Erickson will be with us until contracts up... Sutter retain 2.0 million should find a team.. Ferland ? Hope he is on LTIR -- He is only 27 and come back 2 different times and leaving with concussion symptoms again.... Save 2.4 Sutter -- Ferland 3.5 = 5.9 million.. Sign : Hamonic 1yr x 2.2 million Athanasiou 1 yr x 1.1 million = great speed needs to work on defensive game..possible 15 goals - ( 13 mins a game avg... 60 games Tryamkin will sign when KHL season is over 1.6 X 2 yrs.... Edited November 22, 2020 by wildcam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, ZH96 said: Everyone has talked about how it's worth trying it with Eriksson since he got to collect his bonus this summer. Sorry but do you have a better idea and have you spent hours writing anything? Thing is, I'm mixed about the possibility of a Loui buyout (could happen if he didn't want to play anymore, like Berglund) but some players are happy to just be sent down to the minors and don't want to have their free money gone. It's the rest of the moves that (I know this was written during boredom and with an idea, props to you for following through) I don't see happening. For instance, Caps have no... cap space and a solid 3rd line center in Eller. Next, not sure what you were thinking the response was going to be to a multi-screen length wall of text with font that increasingly gets smaller and smaller... real talk not many would be willing to parse through it and give you a reasoned response or take it seriously. Credit to you for writing your ideas but Covid's hit the league hard and the teams that have money have made their moves. Loui would also be foolish to walk from his contract (pride aside), and please edit more the next time you write. Edited November 22, 2020 by Phil_314 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 2 hours ago, ZH96 said: Everyone has talked about how it's worth trying it with Eriksson since he got to collect his bonus this summer. Sorry but do you have a better idea and have you spent hours writing anything? You do a long post highlighting how Eriksson won’t get another contract anywhere yet you think he’ll walk away from $5m guaranteed money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 40 minutes ago, qwijibo said: You do a long post highlighting how Eriksson won’t get another contract anywhere yet you think he’ll walk away from $5m guaranteed money. I said he won't get a new team through trade. Re-read. But if his contract was terminated and he went back to being a UFA, he could be an attractive option to a team on a cheap deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 3 hours ago, ZH96 said: I said he won't get a new team through trade. Re-read. But if his contract was terminated and he went back to being a UFA, he could be an attractive option to a team on a cheap deal. Or he can collect his $5m over the next two seasons then try to get a cheap deal elsewhere. You’re dreaming if you think he’ll terminate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, qwijibo said: Or he can collect his $5m over the next two seasons then try to get a cheap deal elsewhere. You’re dreaming if you think he’ll terminate. He's 35 and already declined heavily. He likely won't get even a cheap deal in two years from now and he knows it. He knows him and his contract is wanted out. Him and his agent asked the Canucks to find a new team for him through trade. And there were no takers with his current cap. He clearly wants to play and he's been put in the press box repeatedly here. He's also still collected $24 Million plus his bonus recently. His time is now to milk the last bit of hockey left out of him and he will not see the ice again here to do that if he does not work something out with the Canucks and get on a new team. At this point... Miller-Pettersson-Virtanen Pearson-Horvat-Boeser Ferland(maybe)-Gaudette-Sutter Roussel-Beagle-Motte Baertschi-Hawryluk-MacEwen Hoglander-Michaelis-Ju.Bailey (Add in the Canucks have been pursuing Hoffman and Athanasiou and Podkolzin is coming). There is no room for Eriksson anymore. Edited November 22, 2020 by ZH96 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKNuck96 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 (edited) Holy paragraphs Batman. Lots of rambling in there. Keep it structured clear and coherent. Wanting LE to terminate is just wishful thinking. If it was going to happen it would already have done so. With his age why would he walk from a contract. It’s not like he’s a younger player who could terminate and still have many years ahead to recoup a salary and get to play. He has absolutely no incentive to do anything remotely like terminate. Edited November 22, 2020 by UKNuck96 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 5 hours ago, ZH96 said: He's 35 and already declined heavily. He likely won't get even a cheap deal in two years from now and he knows it. He knows him and his contract is wanted out. Him and his agent asked the Canucks to find a new team for him through trade. And there were no takers with his current cap. He clearly wants to play and he's been put in the press box repeatedly here. He's also still collected $24 Million plus his bonus recently. His time is now to milk the last bit of hockey left out of him and he will not see the ice again here to do that if he does not work something out with the Canucks and get on a new team. At this point... Miller-Pettersson-Virtanen Pearson-Horvat-Boeser Ferland(maybe)-Gaudette-Sutter Roussel-Beagle-Motte Baertschi-Hawryluk-MacEwen Hoglander-Michaelis-Ju.Bailey (Add in the Canucks have been pursuing Hoffman and Athanasiou and Podkolzin is coming). There is no room for Eriksson anymore. You just keep coming up with reasons why he wouldn’t walk away from his guaranteed $5m. There’s no chance he finds a deal out there that will pay him close to what he’s already owed by Vancouver. There is no incentive for him to terminate his contract. If he’s demoted right at the beginning of this season, and stays there for the remainder of his contract, he makes an extra 20% on the entire $4m salary this year and the $4m he’s owed next year. That’s $1.6m more for playing in the minors. a mutual termination scenario is stuff of fantasy. They do happen but I don’t see any way Eriksson opts for it. Time will tell if there’s no room for him. Fans have been saying that for 2 seasons but at the end of the day Green still sees enough in his game to give him top 6 minutes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, qwijibo said: You just keep coming up with reasons why he wouldn’t walk away from his guaranteed $5m. There’s no chance he finds a deal out there that will pay him close to what he’s already owed by Vancouver. There is no incentive for him to terminate his contract. If he’s demoted right at the beginning of this season, and stays there for the remainder of his contract, he makes an extra 20% on the entire $4m salary this year and the $4m he’s owed next year. That’s $1.6m more for playing in the minors. a mutual termination scenario is stuff of fantasy. They do happen but I don’t see any way Eriksson opts for it. Time will tell if there’s no room for him. Fans have been saying that for 2 seasons but at the end of the day Green still sees enough in his game to give him top 6 minutes. except he's not 25, he's 35. With 59 million in career earnings. With kids, who won't be making the trip. There are reasons for him to not want to go. We don't know him personally so no one on here really knows what he'll actually do. Maybe even he doesn't until faced with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 I just had to reply, before reading the whole thing. I'll be back in a couple minutes, after I read all of it.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Ok I'm back. Loui, as many posters have pointed out is unlikely to agree to termination, he can make more money in the minors right now than in the NHL and even his NHL money is guaranteed. That guarantee is almost certainly more than he could negotiate with another team after a mutual termination. Usually I'm not a grammar or punctuation enforcer,, but paragraphs are our friend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 2 hours ago, qwijibo said: You just keep coming up with reasons why he wouldn’t walk away from his guaranteed $5m. There’s no chance he finds a deal out there that will pay him close to what he’s already owed by Vancouver. There is no incentive for him to terminate his contract. If he’s demoted right at the beginning of this season, and stays there for the remainder of his contract, he makes an extra 20% on the entire $4m salary this year and the $4m he’s owed next year. That’s $1.6m more for playing in the minors. a mutual termination scenario is stuff of fantasy. They do happen but I don’t see any way Eriksson opts for it. Time will tell if there’s no room for him. Fans have been saying that for 2 seasons but at the end of the day Green still sees enough in his game to give him top 6 minutes. It's not just reasons it's facts. Eriksson wants to play. And he knows the fact of what I pointed out and that's that he's 35 and already 70% declined. He does not want himself, his family, or his playing career to be in and finish in Utica. He and his agent asked the Canucks for a trade for a reason and they're not going to get their wish. Green found use in Eriksson for a while but that died off once injured players got healthy. Even with Toffoli, Leivo, Graovac, Goldobin, and Boucher gone, there is still no room to use him. Hawryluk was added, Baertschi will be coming back fresh, Podkolzin is coming and potentially Hoglander too. Michaelis, Gadjovich, Lind, and Ju.Bailey all will likely be given more looks this season. Not to mention Ferland could be back at the start of the season and another UFA forward might be signed still (Ie. Hoffman, Athanasiou, Duclair, Caggiula) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 23 hours ago, ZH96 said: READ ALL THE WAY THROUGH BEFORE REPLYING No. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amebushi Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 20 hours ago, wildcam said: I like signing Hamonic 1 yr X 2.2 ---- Madison Bowey, 6'2, 210, like this young D man watched him in WHL lots, dominated..... Erickson will be with us until contracts up... Sutter retain 2.0 million should find a team.. Ferland ? Hope he is on LTIR -- He is only 27 and come back 2 different times and leaving with concussion simp tons again.... Save 2.4 Sutter -- Ferland 3.5 = 5.9 million.. Sign : Hamonic 1yr x 2.2 million Athanasiou 1 yr x 1.1 million = great speed needs to work on defensive game..possible 15 goals - ( 13 mins a game avg... 60 games Tryamkin will sign when KHL season is over 1.6 X 2 yrs.... The only thing worse than a giant wall of I’ll formatted text is someone quoting the entire wall of text...Louie is not going to walk away from millions. If he had pride and a desire to play pro hockey he would have either terminated already or showed up and played some pro hockey. He signed a retirement contract and clearly intends to collect every penny. Stick him on the bus and move along. No I didn’t read the whole thing as it clearly all depends on LE saying, “gosh thanks JB but I don’t like making tons of money anymore...” to clear the cap space for the rest of these moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 2 hours ago, ZH96 said: It's not just reasons it's facts. Eriksson wants to play. And he knows the fact of what I pointed out and that's that he's 35 and already 70% declined. He does not want himself, his family, or his playing career to be in and finish in Utica. He and his agent asked the Canucks for a trade for a reason and they're not going to get their wish. Green found use in Eriksson for a while but that died off once injured players got healthy. Even with Toffoli, Leivo, Graovac, Goldobin, and Boucher gone, there is still no room to use him. Hawryluk was added, Baertschi will be coming back fresh, Podkolzin is coming and potentially Hoglander too. Michaelis, Gadjovich, Lind, and Ju.Bailey all will likely be given more looks this season. Not to mention Ferland could be back at the start of the season and another UFA forward might be signed still (Ie. Hoffman, Athanasiou, Duclair, Caggiula) Show me one quote from Eriksson where he says he won’t finish his career Utica. To the contrary he said he’ll never quit playing. He’s playing out his contract. You can keep fantasizing thst he’ll agree to a mutual termination. But I’m willing to bet he won’t. Rob Williams @RobTheHockeyGuy Asked if he intends to play out his contract (2 years left after this season), 35-year-old Loui Eriksson says: "For sure. I love to play hockey... I will never quit playing hockey." #Canucks 11:21 AM · Jul 19, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Show me one quote from Eriksson where he says he won’t finish his career Utica. To the contrary he said he’ll never quit playing. He’s playing out his contract. You can keep fantasizing thst he’ll agree to a mutual termination. But I’m willing to bet he won’t. Rob Williams @RobTheHockeyGuy Asked if he intends to play out his contract (2 years left after this season), 35-year-old Loui Eriksson says: "For sure. I love to play hockey... I will never quit playing hockey." #Canucks 11:21 AM · Jul 19, 2020 there's nothing about that quote that says he wouldn't terminate his Canucks deal. If he has a league minimum deal with Dallas lined up I think he takes that over Utica for 2 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: there's nothing about that quote that says he wouldn't terminate his Canucks deal. If he has a league minimum deal with Dallas lined up I think he takes that over Utica for 2 years. League minimum is $750k. So .$1.5m for two years. That about how much extra he’ll earn if he’s playing in Utica by saving escrow. So $8m vs $1.5m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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