[Signing] Lightning re-sign Mikhail Sergachev

[mll]

4 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

So even if it's backloaded it is only 120% of the AAV maximum limit. 

 

That might entice young players to do backloaded deals in order to get the maximum limit.

 

Is there a minimum limit? Like if the qualifying offer has to be 100% of AAV or something like that?

 

 

The qualifying offer can't be less than the league minimum salary of the season - it's 700K in 2020/21.

 

For contracts up to 660K it's 110% of the last base salary.  Between 660K and 1M it's 105% but at most 1M.  For example, Gaudette has a base of 950K and his qualifying offer will be 997.5K.  It's 100% of the last base for contracts with a base of 1M or more.   The 120% AAV cap applies to all new contracts.  

 

Sergachev's deal is heavily backloaded for escrow reasons - it's a declining scale so better for him to get the bulk of the money once escrow is lower.  Teams are now protected thanks to the 120% cap and there won't be a Meier (10M) or Boeser (7.5M) q.o. situation for new contracts.  

[Hairy Kneel]

Excellent young, big, Dman. Worth the price. He was fun watching in the playoffs, especially the PP.

 

[NorthWestNuck]

2 hours ago, mll said:

The qualifying offer can't be less than the league minimum salary of the season - it's 700K in 2020/21.

 

For contracts up to 660K it's 110% of the last base salary.  Between 660K and 1M it's 105% but at most 1M.  For example, Gaudette has a base of 950K and his qualifying offer will be 997.5K.  It's 100% of the last base for contracts with a base of 1M or more.   The 120% AAV cap applies to all new contracts.  

 

Sergachev's deal is heavily backloaded for escrow reasons - it's a declining scale so better for him to get the bulk of the money once escrow is lower.  Teams are now protected thanks to the 120% cap and there won't be a Meier (10M) or Boeser (7.5M) q.o. situation for new contracts.  

So are Meier and Boeser still under the old rules? ie, 10 or 7.5 mil QO?

[Junkyard Dog]

15 minutes ago, NorthWestNuck said:

So are Meier and Boeser still under the old rules? ie, 10 or 7.5 mil QO?

Any signing prior to this are under the rules at that time. So Yeah.

[Ghostsof1915]

9 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Someone needs to offer sheet both Cirelli and Cernak.  Tampa couldn't match unless they cleared cap space.  They can only be over the cap by 10% in the offseason.  They have just over $6 million left to hit that number.  One team offer sheets Cirelli and another offer sheets Cernak.  Why do these guys any favours?  If Brisebois wants to keep his young core together then he needs to give up a good portion of his 2021 draft in order to do it.

 

If any team in history was prime for an offer sheet it's Tampa Bay right now.

 

A. No one has cap space.

B. No one has that many draft picks.

C. You kill your reputation, and make it harder to make other trades. (What GM wants to deal with you afterwords?) In addition you make your own players targets for offer sheets.

 

There's a reason no one offer sheets anymore. They should just get rid of it. They'd be better off letting a team buyout one contract per year with no effect on the cap. 

If your owner hates buyouts. That's his choice. Other teams will probably love dumping at least one boat anchor. (Cough..cough...Eriksson..)

[theo5789]

2 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

 

A. No one has cap space.

B. No one has that many draft picks.

C. You kill your reputation, and make it harder to make other trades. (What GM wants to deal with you afterwords?) In addition you make your own players targets for offer sheets.

 

There's a reason no one offer sheets anymore. They should just get rid of it. They'd be better off letting a team buyout one contract per year with no effect on the cap. 

If your owner hates buyouts. That's his choice. Other teams will probably love dumping at least one boat anchor. (Cough..cough...Eriksson..)

That only benefits the cash rich owners which negates the point of the cap in the first place.

[Ghostsof1915]

1 minute ago, theo5789 said:

That only benefits the cash rich owners which negates the point of the cap in the first place.

We're talking 1 contract per season. It's pretty obvious almost every GM makes a bad move on a contract. 

How is it any different than team in Florida with tax breaks compared to Canada? 

 

They can always stop it 2-3 seasons after Covid as a temporary measure. 

[Silky mitts]

18 hours ago, Provost said:

That is a pretty shallow way to look at it.  Sergachev is a much better all around defenceman who can't just be measured by his offensive numbers.  He brings more in all the areas Hughes brings less.

It should really be quite a good comparable to use.

If we could actually get Hughes at a $5-5.5 million bridge deal and Petterson at a $6.5-7 million bridge deal, we would be in pretty good shape to ride out our veteran contracts expiring.

Sorry but there is no comparable here. The are not on the same level at all.

[Silky mitts]

 

[theo5789]

32 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

We're talking 1 contract per season. It's pretty obvious almost every GM makes a bad move on a contract. 

How is it any different than team in Florida with tax breaks compared to Canada? 

 

They can always stop it 2-3 seasons after Covid as a temporary measure. 

Because the non cash rich ones likely cannot afford to buyout a contract. Hey I'm all for it as it would benefit us, but I think it's unlikely. They've had talks over compliance buyouts and have nixed it already.

[CaptKirk888]

14 hours ago, Alienhuggyflow said:

He was on the 3rd pairing on the best team in hockey.  Not saying he isn't a good player but  his situation is much different to Quinn.

Quinn as a rookie is already considered by many as a top 15 dman who showed in the playoffs (when healthy) he not only could handle top line minutes and matchups but thrived at it. The fact all 3 teams play a physical style made it even more impressive.

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-top-players-top-20-defensemen/c-319546918

NHL.com seems to think so as well. #11 overall. Have a look at the players he is placed above. 

 

#NHLTopPlayers: Top 20 Defensemen

NHL Network reveals best of current crop

by David Satriano @davidsatriano / NHL.com Staff Writer

 November 1, 2020

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Whether it's breaking up a big play, setting up a goal, or scoring on the power play, some defensemen can do it all. NHL Network producers and analysts chose the top 20 defensemen in the League right now, and they were revealed Sunday in the first of a nine-part series. Here is the list:

 

20. Morgan Rielly, Toronto Maple Leafs

Rielly led NHL defensemen with 20 goals, finished third with 72 points, and was plus-24 in 2018-19. He followed that up last season with 27 points (three goals, 24 assists) and a plus-6 rating in 47 games, missing time with a broken foot. Rielly led the Maple Leafs in ice time per game (24:12).

19. Ryan Ellis, Nashville Predators

Ellis scored 38 points (eight goals, 30 assists), three from matching his NHL career high despite being limited to 49 games because of injury and the regular season being paused and ultimately cut short due to concerns surrounding the coronavirus. He was plus-16 and ranked second on the Predators in ice time per game (23:30) behind Roman Josi (25:47) and third in blocked shots (96). Ellis has scored at least 32 points each of the past five seasons.

"Ryan Ellis has been that steady presence, both ends of the rink," NHL Network analyst Ken Daneyko said. "Especially if you're a guy his size (5-foot-10, 180 pounds), he's not the biggest of stature, you have to have a high compete level and he has an extremely high compete level. …He's a guy that continues to be a steady force for the Nashville Predators."

 

 

 

Top 20 Defensemen: Ryan Ellis

 

• 01:20 • November 2nd, 2020

18. Erik Karlsson, San Jose Sharks

Karlsson led the Sharks with 40 points (six goals, 34 assists) in 56 games through Feb. 14 before missing the remainder of the season with a broken thumb. He was second on San Jose in ice time per game (24:31) behind Brent Burns (25:25). Karlsson scored at least 62 points in five straight seasons for the Ottawa Senators from 2013-18, and his 603 points since entering the NHL in 2009-10 are the most among defensemen in that span. He is a four-time Norris Trophy finalist and was voted winner of the award for best NHL defenseman in 2012 and 2015.

17. Jaccob Slavin, Carolina Hurricanes

Slavin set NHL career highs in assists (30) and points (36) in 68 games last season, when he led the Hurricanes in ice time per game (23:24) and blocked shots (107). He led the NHL with 81 takeaways and was tied for second with a plus-30 rating. Slavin ranked sixth in the NHL in shorthanded ice time (210:55) last season and has scored at least 30 points in four straight seasons.

16. Shea Weber, Montreal Canadiens

In 65 games last season, Weber scored 36 points (15 goals, 21 assists), was plus-8, and led the Canadiens in ice time per game (24:00) for the fourth straight season. He had 114 blocked shots (27th among NHL defensemen) and 112 hits (tied for 33rd). Weber has scored at least 40 points nine times and at least 15 goals 10 times in his 15 NHL seasons.

 

 

 

Top 20 Defensemen: Shea Weber

 

• 01:54 • November 2nd, 2020

15. Drew Doughty, Los Angeles Kings

Doughty was second in the NHL in average ice time last season (25:49 per game) and has finished third or better in the NHL each of the past six seasons. He scored 35 points (seven goals, 28 assists) in 67 games, the 10th time in 12 NHL seasons he's scored at least 30. Doughty is a four-time Norris finalist, winning the award in 2016, and played in 460 straight games before missing a 4-2 loss to the Tampa Bay Lightning on Jan. 29. He has missed 19 games in his NHL career.

14. Shea Theodore, Vegas Golden Knights

Theodore set NHL career highs in goals (13), assists (33), points (46), rating (plus-12), power-play points (16), game-winning goals (four) and shots on goal (219) in 71 games last season. He led the Golden Knights in average ice time (22:14 per game) and power-play time (3:06 per game). In the postseason, Theodore scored 19 points (seven goals, 12 assists) in 20 games to help Vegas advance to the Western Conference Final.

"He kind of had his coming out party this season and going into the playoffs, he had a terrific playoffs as well, he's going to be in the top-10 sooner than later," Daneyko said. "…We knew he had all the ability, the skating, the shot, but it's about reading plays on the ice, when to jump in, when not to."

 

 

 

Top 20 Defensemen: Shea Theodore

 

• 02:03 • November 2nd, 2020

13. Brent Burns, San Jose Sharks

Burns scored 45 points (12 goals, 33 assists) and averaged 25:25 of ice time in 70 games last season after he led NHL defensemen with an NHL career-high 83 points (16 goals, 67 assists) in 2018-19. He scored at least 60 points in each of the previous five seasons. He has been a finalist for the Norris Trophy in three of the past five seasons and won the award in 2017. Burns, who has not missed a game in the past six seasons, leads NHL defensemen in goals (144) and points (474) since 2012-13.

12. Zach Werenski, Columbus Blue Jackets

Werenski set an NHL career high and a Blue Jackets record for goals by a defenseman with 20, the most in the League at the position, and was on pace for a career high in points before the season was paused. He scored 41 points, 13 power-play points (five goals, eight assists) and four game-winning goals, and was second on the Blue Jackets in ice time per game (23:59), the third straight season he's increased his average.

11. Quinn Hughes, Vancouver Canucks

The runner-up for the Calder Trophy as NHL rookie of the year last season, Hughes led NHL rookies in assists (45), points (53) and power-play points (25; three goals, 22 assists) in 68 games, and his 21:53 of ice time per game was second (defenseman Ethan Bear, Edmonton Oilers, 21:58). Hughes helped the Canucks reach the Stanley Cup Playoffs for the first time since 2014-15 and scored 16 points (two goals, 14 assists) in 17 postseason games.

 

 

[Nave]

When I saw this deal I immediately hoped we could get Cernak.

[Elias Pettersson]

3 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

 

A. No one has cap space.

B. No one has that many draft picks.

C. You kill your reputation, and make it harder to make other trades. (What GM wants to deal with you afterwords?) In addition you make your own players targets for offer sheets.

 

There's a reason no one offer sheets anymore. They should just get rid of it. They'd be better off letting a team buyout one contract per year with no effect on the cap. 

If your owner hates buyouts. That's his choice. Other teams will probably love dumping at least one boat anchor. (Cough..cough...Eriksson..)

Both Detroit and Ottawa have a million draft picks and the cap space to sign one or both of Cirelli and Cernak.  And both players would greatly help both teams.  I understand the whole killing your reputation thing, but Bergevin did it with Aho and he seems to be doing just fine right now in building his team.  I agree with the one buyout per year, but then it favours teams that keep signing players to crappy contracts.  Detroit could use both Cirelli and Cernak.  They should offer sheet at least one of them as it's pretty much guaranteed they would get that player.

[mll]

5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Both Detroit and Ottawa have a million draft picks and the cap space to sign one or both of Cirelli and Cernak.  And both players would greatly help both teams.  I understand the whole killing your reputation thing, but Bergevin did it with Aho and he seems to be doing just fine right now in building his team.  I agree with the one buyout per year, but then it favours teams that keep signing players to crappy contracts.  Detroit could use both Cirelli and Cernak.  They should offer sheet at least one of them as it's pretty much guaranteed they would get that player.

 

If Tampa were that worried about an offer sheet they could have easily delayed the filing of Sergachev's contract.   They'll have a week to match.  Brisebois most likely has an idea of his trade options to create cap space.  Stamkos might even be eligible for off-season LTIR which would allow them to go well above the 10% off-season cap.  

[theo5789]

9 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Both Detroit and Ottawa have a million draft picks and the cap space to sign one or both of Cirelli and Cernak.  And both players would greatly help both teams.  I understand the whole killing your reputation thing, but Bergevin did it with Aho and he seems to be doing just fine right now in building his team.  I agree with the one buyout per year, but then it favours teams that keep signing players to crappy contracts.  Detroit could use both Cirelli and Cernak.  They should offer sheet at least one of them as it's pretty much guaranteed they would get that player.

It's a risk for Detroit to do so as well. Assuming that their offersheet would force them to give up a 1st rounder. Well I doubt Detroit is turning things around that quickly even with either Cirelli or Cernak, so they could be losing a top 10 pick in the process. This on top of the fact that they'd be paying said player a contract during down years and during covid times with less revenue instead of building for the future with their likely high pick instead. Detroit is one of the teams fighting to change the lottery rules, so they surely know they likely will in the tank for a little while longer.

[Elias Pettersson]

1 hour ago, mll said:

 

If Tampa were that worried about an offer sheet they could have easily delayed the filing of Sergachev's contract.   They'll have a week to match.  Brisebois most likely has an idea of his trade options to create cap space.  Stamkos might even be eligible for off-season LTIR which would allow them to go well above the 10% off-season cap.  

Yes I am sure the plan is to put Stamkos on LTIR rather than lose half their 2021 draft pool to trade their overpriced contracts.  So convenient, just like Boychuk retiring at just the right time to re-sign Barzal to fit him under the cap.  Why do the Canucks keep playing by the rules when all the other teams seem to figure out a way around them to get cap compliant?

[Elias Pettersson]

1 hour ago, theo5789 said:

It's a risk for Detroit to do so as well. Assuming that their offersheet would force them to give up a 1st rounder. Well I doubt Detroit is turning things around that quickly even with either Cirelli or Cernak, so they could be losing a top 10 pick in the process. This on top of the fact that they'd be paying said player a contract during down years and during covid times with less revenue instead of building for the future with their likely high pick instead. Detroit is one of the teams fighting to change the lottery rules, so they surely know they likely will in the tank for a little while longer.

An offer sheet up to $4.3 million is only a second round pick.  Detroit has 3 second round picks next year so they could offer sheet both Cirelli and Cernak to $4.3 million deals and still be under the cap and risk only losing 2 of their 3 second round picks.  Both players are worth more than that so it's a no brainer.  Let Tampa figure out what to do over the coming week.  If the plan is to put Stamkos on LTIR then they will need to show that hand over the next week.  If the plan is to package 2021 picks to get rid of Johnson, Killorn, etc. then give them a week to do it.

 

Tampa is primed to lose something here.  If their play is to simply put Stamkos on LTIR then let them show their hands now instead of giving them the next 2 months to figure it out.

[theo5789]

27 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

An offer sheet up to $4.3 million is only a second round pick.  Detroit has 3 second round picks next year so they could offer sheet both Cirelli and Cernak to $4.3 million deals and still be under the cap and risk only losing 2 of their 3 second round picks.  Both players are worth more than that so it's a no brainer.  Let Tampa figure out what to do over the coming week.  If the plan is to put Stamkos on LTIR then they will need to show that hand over the next week.  If the plan is to package 2021 picks to get rid of Johnson, Killorn, etc. then give them a week to do it.

 

Tampa is primed to lose something here.  If their play is to simply put Stamkos on LTIR then let them show their hands now instead of giving them the next 2 months to figure it out.

You have to assume that Cernak and Cirelli would actually sign the offer sheet to go to Detroit (the last place team last year) at that price as well.

[DeNiro]

1 hour ago, mll said:

 

If Tampa were that worried about an offer sheet they could have easily delayed the filing of Sergachev's contract.   They'll have a week to match.  Brisebois most likely has an idea of his trade options to create cap space.  Stamkos might even be eligible for off-season LTIR which would allow them to go well above the 10% off-season cap.  

You realize the offseason is potentially over in like a month right?

 

Teams will be finalizing their rosters, not looking to add big contracts in trades. Especially when there are cheaper options like Hoffman and Granlund still available.

 

Brisebois will be forced to trade a young player he doesn’t want to. That’s just the nature of winning the cup in the cap era.

 

Edited November 26, 2020 by DeNiro

[Elias Pettersson]

16 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

You have to assume that Cernak and Cirelli would actually sign the offer sheet to go to Detroit (the last place team last year) at that price as well.

I'm sure they would rather sign something now then take a chance at a lowball offer from Tampa in 4 weeks.  Tampa is playing a very dangerous game.  Are they going to wait until the last possible day to sign these guys to low budget contracts and hope and pray someone takes Johnson off their hands or Stamkos agrees to take a year off?