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1 hour ago, BlueDragon23 said:

Absolutely the right call. Anti-maskers are one of the reasons the virus is spreading so badly.
 

Can’t believe people are this stupid for protesting against a pandemic, come on! All of us that are obeying social distancing rules are doing our part. You think we enjoy it!? Of course not, but we suck it up for the sake of others who are more at risk. Stop being so damn selfish!!!

The reality is these measures may have some effect, but ultimately over time around others, that protection will diminish to nothing.

 

If you are around someone who has COVID-19, six feet distance will not protect you, groups of six people will not protect you, and a mask that only filters a certain percentage of COVID-19 will not protect you. We're also not accounting for human error. The reality is all the people who are lecturing the "anti-maskers", don't wear masks 100% of the time, you break distancing, and your around different people all day. If you wear a cloth mask, which is what most people are buying because they have cool styles and stuff, it's as effective as not wearing a mask. Studies have proven them to be ineffective against the flu, and a flu virus is slightly bigger than COVID-19

 

There are more cases now because testing is more frequent than earlier this year. We've actually tested 20% of BC. Not to mention the false positive rates are disturbingly high. Most of the time, the deaths always include some other serious illnesses (including the flu + pneumonia). Also how many people had the virus but never got tested for it? Unfortunately the stats are not reliable.

 

The odds of any of us catching the virus are extremely low.

If any of us caught the virus, the odds of survival are extremely high.

When you're gambling, do you play your hand with the best odds or go all-in with the low odds? Because right now we're all-in on assuming we're all risking death, and it's stupid.

 

Wear a mask if you want, but the argument and protest is that they should not be mandatory for everyone because like it or not, people think differently than and make different choices than you do. You or the anti-masker have different worldviews and you could learn from each other.

 

All in all, I'm not mad at anyone. I'm not buying into the fear hysteria. I just want us all to start understanding each other. We're not on teams. We're Canadians.
There should be a way we can do this where our rights aren't infringed upon and all voices are heard, etc.

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14 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

I am proud of what we're building here.

 

Most are really showing empathy and a willingness to forego some of the things that we normally do in order to protect others.  

It's interesting that some of these protests ship people in and they're organized outside of the city.  Oddly enough, sometimes from places doing the WORST job in Canada of keeping the numbers down.

 

The culture "here" is something that each and every one of us formulates...let's hope that it's one that shows we do care and aren't selfish ignorant know it alls.  That we will band together for a short time to see if we can make a difference.  That putting a mask on when were' out in order to do a small part to combat this is a small ask that really doesn't warrant a huge fight over.   Not sure why anti maskers don't see how stubborn and selfish this is?  Will it really kill  you?  Because it could kill others if you don't.

 

It really reminds me of stubborn (tired) kids when they're protesting, vehemently, that they don't want to brush their teeth.  Or put their coat on.  So dramatic (but, for kids, it's understandable...adults?  Not so much). 

 

Like really?  Just shut up and do it.

Very well said Deb

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29 minutes ago, canuck2288 said:

You prefer the tin foil hat Covidiot culture ?

 

Let me guess, you think 9-11 was fake news and you own a Make America Great Again cap. 
 

yeah that’s the culture Vancouver needs 

 

Alberta is right next door, has all the “culture” you seem to be looking for. Trust me we won’t miss you 

Nope, I prefer a culture of open-discussion, free thought, free speech. Just basic human rights.

I certainly wouldn't wish death upon someone because they had a different viewpoint than me.

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28 minutes ago, The Lock said:

If standing up against anti-maskers is that culture, I am all for that.

 

Bring it on.

"when Covid hits your your fat a$$, when some non mask wearing fool sprays covid on you, I hope they find a box big enough for you "

 

Yeah we sure are standing up against those evil anti-maskers by wishing death upon a man who was beloved in Vancouver.

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18 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

I am proud of what we're building here.

 

Most are really showing empathy and a willingness to forego some of the things that we normally do in order to protect others.  

It's interesting that some of these protests ship people in and they're organized outside of the city.  Oddly enough, sometimes from places doing the WORST job in Canada of keeping the numbers down.

 

The culture "here" is something that each and every one of us formulates...let's hope that it's one that shows we do care and aren't selfish ignorant know it alls.  That we will band together for a short time to see if we can make a difference.  That putting a mask on when we're out in order to do a small part to combat this is a small ask that really doesn't warrant a huge fight over.   Not sure why anti maskers don't see how stubborn, petty and selfish this is?  Will it really kill  you?  Because it could kill others if you don't.  

 

It really reminds me of stubborn (tired) kids when they're protesting, vehemently, that they don't want to brush their teeth.  Or put their coat on.  So dramatic (but, for kids, it's understandable...adults?  Not so much). 

 

Like really?  Just shut up and do it.

when Covid hits your your fat a$$, when some non mask wearing fool sprays covid on you, I hope they find a box big enough for you 

 

"Empathy"

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Just now, Tystick said:

Nope, I prefer a culture of open-discussion, free thought, free speech. Just basic human rights.

I certainly wouldn't wish death upon someone because they had a different viewpoint than me.

these anti maskers  can think what they like but during such a trying time such as covid where the numbers keep climbing , it is not the time to have a protest rally because all it is accomplishing is more covid numbers or deaths.  if they don't like the mandate Bonnie Henry put out then stay away from shops , stay home and shop online, or do something better with your time , maybe like volunteering your time to help others!

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11 hours ago, Dumb Nuck said:

So wait, someone has an opinion you don’t agree with and they’re an idiot and should be fired? Well, I don’t agree with you.

No, he's an idiot for jeopardizing his revenue streams, actual and potential, and for supporting a message he should have known the Canucks org wouldn't agree with.  

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6 minutes ago, Tystick said:

when Covid hits your your fat a$$, when some non mask wearing fool sprays covid on you, I hope they find a box big enough for you 

 

"Empathy"

People who would rather stand their ground based on THEIR rights without considering the rights of others (to live) bring out the worst in some of us.  It's understandable...we're talking human casualties here.  Despite your attempt to make it more casual and relaxed.  It's serious.  People more concerned with Christmas parties than people on ventilators fighting for oxygen.

 

I know I'd rather have the strongly opinionated folks on the side of doing whatever we can to protect lives than the ones rallying to do whatever they want.

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2 minutes ago, Tystick said:

I could care less if you think it's misinformation, present an argument.

I already have.  

 

So don't spread misinformation please, especially rolled out as facts.  You're up...let's see your sources. 

 

Start here:

 

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If you are around someone who has COVID-19, six feet distance will not protect you, groups of six people will not protect you, and a mask that only filters a certain percentage of COVID-19 will not protect you

 

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2 minutes ago, bree2 said:

these anti maskers  can think what they like but during such a trying time such as covid where the numbers keep climbing , it is not the time to have a protest rally because all it is accomplishing is more covid numbers or deaths.  if they don't like the mandate Bonnie Henry put out then stay away from shops , stay home and shop online, or do something better with your time , maybe like volunteering your time to help others!

The problem is they're protesting the mandate which is within their rights.

This is on the government to reorganize and apply a different approach.

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Just now, debluvscanucks said:

I'm going to highlight in red what I feel is complete garbage misinformation.

I agree with your highlights.

 

Going off the Uk figures the current death rate is over 3%. True there will be a lot of cases in the community that never get that picked up so the actual figure will be lower, but yes more testing does equal more cases but you BBC an account from that with the percentages being found, and test to admission figures.

 

inderlying conduction will probably have played a big part in a number of the deaths however there are two many that don’t fit that case for it to be the only factor.

 

research in the UK has shown that (in the uk) economic circumstances has a significant correlation with infection rates. While correlation isn’t causation is strongly suggests that lifestyle is the biggest driver of the disease and not health conditions 

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2 minutes ago, KristoffWixenschon said:

Can you cite any studies that find masks to be ineffective? I'm honestly curious.

Absolutely.

I can't find the 'cloth mask efficacy against the flu' study atm but here's one studying the efficacy against COVID-19.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-0948_article

There are plenty out there and they're very interesting to dive into.

Essentially they conclude some effect, but they are inferior.

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7 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

People who would rather stand their ground based on THEIR rights without considering the rights of others (to live) bring out the worst in some of us.  It's understandable...we're talking human casualties here.  Despite your attempt to make it more casual and relaxed.  It's serious.  People more concerned with Christmas parties than people on ventilators fighting for oxygen.

 

I know I'd rather have the strongly opinionated folks on the side of doing whatever we can to protect lives than the ones rallying to do whatever they want.

That's fair, the government should be handling this differently so all Canadians can agree on a proper strategy.

Like it or not, the protests could have been avoided. If the Trudeau government continues to push restrictions, they will only get bigger.

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21 minutes ago, Tystick said:

a mask that only filters a certain percentage of COVID-19 will not protect you.

 

If you wear a cloth mask, which is what most people are buying because they have cool styles and stuff, it's as effective as not wearing a mask. 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Tystick said:
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Cloth masks have been used in healthcare and community settings to protect the wearer from respiratory infections. The use of cloth masks during the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) pandemic is under debate. The filtration effectiveness of cloth masks is generally lower than that of medical masks and respirators; however, cloth masks may provide some protection if well designed and used correctly. Multilayer cloth masks, designed to fit around the face and made of water-resistant fabric with a high number of threads and finer weave, may provide reasonable protection. Until a cloth mask design is proven to be equally effective as a medical or N95 mask, wearing cloth masks should not be mandated for healthcare workers. In community settings, however, cloth masks may be used to prevent community spread of infections by sick or asymptomatically infected persons, and the public should be educated about their correct use.

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The general public can use cloth masks to protect against infection spread in the community.

 

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2 minutes ago, Tystick said:

Absolutely.

I can't find the 'cloth mask efficacy against the flu' study atm but here's one studying the efficacy against COVID-19.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-0948_article

There are plenty out there and they're very interesting to dive into.

Essentially they conclude some effect, but they are inferior.

Okay... this says they are effective, but not as effective as medical grade masks... 

I think everyone here knows that. But why not wear something that provides some protection to others  rather than none?

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