[Fired] Mark Donnelly

[Kevin Biestra]

13 minutes ago, The Lock said:

I hope for your sake you don't kill any of your family members due to your ignorance.

 

Based on the actual mortality rate and statistics he would need an extremely large family to kill one member of it.

Edited December 6, 2020 by Kevin Biestra

[The Lock]

Just now, Kevin Biestra said:

Based on the actual mortality rate he would need an incredibly large family to kill one member of it.

Oh great, so family members are just a statistic now?

[Kevin Biestra]

Just now, The Lock said:

Oh great, so family members are just a statistic now?

 

And there you go, logic out the window and pure emotional appeal.  That tactic makes reasonable discussion about anything impossible.

[Kobayashi Maru]

This is pretty simple:

 

1) COVID-19 is a deadly pandemic.  You don’t need to see much more than how the hospitals have to use refrigeration trucks because of the results.

 

2) COVID-19 is transmitted by airborne particles, so masks, while not 100% effective, is still effective in reducing the spread of this while people still do essential things like get groceries etc.

 

3) It’s bad enough if you don’t wear a mask in public locations, but to actively protest wearing them while gathering WILL lead to an expansion of cases and likely kill a few people.

 

4) The Canucks are a stand up organization that actively help out the community and people in need.  They can’t (and shouldn’t) be associated with someone promoting an idea that will negatively affect the community.

Edited December 7, 2020 by Kobayashi Maru

[The Lock]

6 minutes ago, Kevin Biestra said:

 

And there you go, logic out the window and pure emotional appeal.  That tactic makes reasonable discussion about anything impossible.

Okay. Here's a statistic for you: 1 family member killed from ignorance gives you a life of regret. At that point, none of the statistics you're bring up are going to matter.

 

Also, some people do have extremely large families. Also, even if you do have a small family, there's that chance of it happening. Just because it's "unlikely" doesn't mean it can't happen. 

 

Come on dude. You can't be this heartless about family in real life. All this backlash from ant-maskers just for just wearing a piece of cloth over your mouth and nose? These anti-maskers are right now some of the most weak minded people on the planet. They claim they're "not scared" of covid, yet they're scared of a freaking mask.

Edited December 6, 2020 by The Lock

[RomanP]

1 hour ago, drummer4now said:

Yes I wear my seatbelt because I rather not go through the windshield in a accident.. Just like I wear a mask but don't see it mandatory. 

 

But creating legislation on the fly is unfair and unjust.. especially when you tell people you won't be enforcing a mandatory mask rule.

 

IMO this is just another opportunity for some politicians to finally flex their muscles and get the 15 minutes of fame.

Do you realize that this is a new virus and science catches up on things? What science thought early on as non mandatory has been proven to work better than initially expected. Hence the change in the order. Quantity of consumed alcohol for legal driving also changed over time due to new findings.

[butters]

1 hour ago, VanIsleNuckFan said:

Listening to opinion even when you think it is wrong is a good thing. If the opinion is incorrect then why be afraid to confront it, it should be an easy discussion to disprove. Your remarks endorsing the shutting down of peoples freedom to express their own belief is moral authoritarianism...

You'd think so. But your example only works with people who are able to change their minds. Lots of people aren't. And then there's the fanatics. If you've dealt with them a bunch you know what the firehose of falsehood/gish gallop is all about. Basically throwing untrue claims around faster than the other person can respond to them. Add a dash of whatabouting and projection. If its that person, and you recognise that person, there is no need to deal with them in good faith. Because they themselves don't deal in good faith. And once you have met that person a few times, they are easy to pick out just by the way they talk and act. 

[The Lock]

Anyway, I'm going to focus on the people who know what's right in situations like these. This thread's lost a bit of my faith in humanity though, but at least there are far more people who at least understand the situation.

 

Everyone just stay safe. And to anyone who doesn't think that mask is important, I do genuinely hope nothing bad happens to you or anyone you love and that it doesn't become a regret for the rest of your life. I already know a couple of people who went through exactly that.

Edited December 6, 2020 by The Lock

[Kevin Biestra]

Just now, The Lock said:

Okay. Here's a statistic for you: 1 family member killed from ignorance gives you a life of regret. At that point, none of the statistics you're bring up are going to matter.

 

Also, some people do have extremely large families. Also, even if you do have a small family, there's that chance of it happening. Just because it's "unlikely" doesn't mean it can't happen. 

 

Come on dude. You can't be this heartless about family in real life. All this backlash from ant-maskers just for just wearing a piece of cloth over your mouth and nose?

 

Every policy decision, every allocation of resources, every right is issued, ordered or protected in a system with moving parts against all other funding, demands, resources, scarcity of those resources and other rights.

 

What do you think the survival and mortality rate of this particular virus actually is?

 

Now you can take all resources and rights and redistribute and curtail them or do anything else you want in order to address that mortality rate.  Or I should say, you can campaign and lobby for whatever you think the proper allocation is to combat it.

 

But as I said, all of these rights, all of these resources, and all of these other priorities come at the cost of something else.  You don't fight covid with funds from the money tree, and you don't curtail other activities with privileges that grow on the freedoms tree.

 

Where you want to draw the various lines is up to you.  But people will die from one cause or another and one death from anything is too many.  But deaths from everything are going to happen, and indeed, various COVID related measures do have fallout elsewhere in the system as increased deaths elsewhere and lower quality of life or more poverty in other areas and so on.

[The Lock]

7 minutes ago, Kevin Biestra said:

 

Every policy decision, every allocation of resources, every right is issued, ordered or protected in a system with moving parts against all other funding, demands, resources, scarcity of those resources and other rights.

 

What do you think the survival and mortality rate of this particular virus actually is?

 

Now you can take all resources and rights and redistribute and curtail them or do anything else you want in order to address that mortality rate.  Or I should say, you can campaign and lobby for whatever you think the proper allocation is to combat it.

 

But as I said, all of these rights, all of these resources, and all of these other priorities come at the cost of something else.  You don't fight covid with funds from the money tree, and you don't curtail other activities with privileges that grow on the freedoms tree.

 

Where you want to draw the various lines is up to you.  But people will die from one cause or another and one death from anything is too many.  But deaths from everything are going to happen, and indeed, various COVID related measures do have fallout elsewhere in the system as increased deaths elsewhere and lower quality of life or more poverty in other areas and so on.

But you can save lives from having a mask. That's the whole point of all of this. Masks don't cost a lot of resources. Hospital beds do.

 

If more people wore masks, we'd actually be saving the government some money. Even with your logic, masks can save government spending.

 

Also, the survival and mortality rate doesn't really matter in all of this. If everyone in BC gets infected from this virus, even if the mortality rate was 2% (it's higher than that by a fair bit), that's still 80-100K people dead. That's a whole city. This virus is infectious and is actually getting more infectious as it mutates and, if no one wore masks, we'd probably see about 70% of BC infected at some point. At least those were the estimates back in April when it was less infectious than it is now.

 

Anyway, like I've said in my last post in this thread. I'm kind of done with discussing all of this. I wish you well for you and your family.

Edited December 6, 2020 by The Lock

[canuck2288]

Funny how Donnelly sings the anthem for an anti abortion rally so he makes a point of being public about controlling a woman’s right to make decisions yet he turns around and sings the anthem for anti anti masker rally on the basis that people have the right to choose whether to wear a mask 

 

Bit of a selective overweight opera wanna be hypocrite are you not Mark ?

 

see ya 

 

don’t let the door hit you on the way out 

Edited December 6, 2020 by canuck2288

[BlueDragon23]

1 minute ago, canuck2288 said:

Funny how Donnelly sings the anthem for an anti abortion rally so he makes a point of being public about controlling a woman’s right to make decisions yet he turns around and sings the anthem for anti anti masker rally on the basis that people have the right to choose whether to wear a mask 

 

But if a selective overweight opera wanna be hypocrite are you not Mark ?

 

see ya 

 

don’t let the door hit you on the way out 

Exactly. He supports taking away a woman’s right to choose when it’s HER body and HER choice, no one else’s, and then he supports a protest about a bunch of ignorant tools saying their “rights” and “freedom” are being taken away by having to wear a mask to prevent the spread of a global pandemic?

 

Absolute hypocrite. Screw him.

[Rush17]

20 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said:

Damn that sucks. He helped make Vancouver feel more distinct and unique despite only being an anthem singer.

 

Everybody doing a 180 from him too. How quickly public opinion can change.

 

Double Oof.

 

 

time to bring in Michael Buble!  He was our anthem singer in the bubble anyways. 

 

He is a part owner of the giants but thats ok :D canucks come first lets go!

[-DLC-]

Brilliance on display.   This sign must be awfully upsetting to the family members of this world warrior.  This is a really disturbing mindset...better off dead than alive.  Sigh.

[Dumb Nuck]

7 minutes ago, The Lock said:

Anyway, I'm going to focus on the people who know what's right in situations like these. This thread's lost a bit of my faith in humanity though, but at least there are far more people who at least understand the situation.

 

Everyone just stay safe. And to anyone who doesn't think that mask is important, I do genuinely hope nothing bad happens to you or anyone you love and that it doesn't become a regret for the rest of your life. I already know a couple of people who went through exactly that.

What really works is social distancing, we should all be in lock down then. I personally, apart from  grocery shopping, where I will wear a mask out of curtesy, do not go where people are, my hobbies are outdoors and naturally isolate me from others, I may spend 1/2 hour a week near other people, that’s pretty safe no?

 

Now go look around Vancouver, people everywhere, clubs, restaurants, gyms, worse yet thinking they are invincible because they have masks on, who’s the real threat?

 

I posted a link earlier to YVR scheduled arrivals as well as flights that have arrived with confirmed COVID cases, doesn’t seem to be a concern, I truly find that odd.

[-DLC-]

1 minute ago, Rush17 said:

time to bring in Michael Buble!  He was our anthem singer in the bubble anyways. 

 

He is a part owner of the giants but thats ok :D canucks come first lets go!

I vote Marie...she's really earned it and done us proud.  Love her.

[spur1]

There is one more Canucks bad luck charm gone. 

[Rush17]

Just now, debluvscanucks said:

I vote Marie...she's really earned it and done us proud.  Love her.

She would be my second choice for sure! Love the local work she has done.

[The Lock]

Just now, Dumb Nuck said:

What really works is social distancing, we should all be in lock down then. I personally, apart from  grocery shopping, where I will wear a mask out of curtesy, do not go where people are, my hobbies are outdoors and naturally isolate me from others, I may spend 1/2 hour a week near other people, that’s pretty safe no?

 

Now go look around Vancouver, people everywhere, clubs, restaurants, gyms, worse yet thinking they are invincible because they have masks on, who’s the real threat?

 

I posted a link earlier to YVR scheduled arrivals as well as flights that have arrived with confirmed COVID cases, doesn’t seem to be a concern, I truly find that odd.

See, with what you've described to me that you do, that's fine. I have no problem with that. And yes, we probably should have more lockdown although I do understand wanting some economy happening at the same time. 

 

I'm (fortunately) up in Prince George at the moment where we're more naturally spread out but it amazes me how people still don't do the social distancing (and were not even wearing a mask before the government stepped in). I literally had to ask someone to back off because they were only maybe like 1 foot behind me in a lineup. Luckily most of the time people seem to be good lately, but man. I try and really avoid places these days.

[yes we can nucks]

19 minutes ago, The Lock said:

Anyway, I'm going to focus on the people who know what's right in situations like these. This thread's lost a bit of my faith in humanity though, but at least there are far more people who at least understand the situation.

 

Everyone just stay safe. And to anyone who doesn't think that mask is important, I do genuinely hope nothing bad happens to you or anyone you love and that it doesn't become a regret for the rest of your life. I already know a couple of people who went through exactly that.

Oh man, Richard, are you still here?! I said my bit pages ago and said you can't argue with ignorance. But I hear you ... it is very disconcerting.