[Fired] Mark Donnelly

[peaches5]

10 hours ago, Dazzle said:

So what's your stance on this then? You're not wearing a mask then?

Nope I wear an n95 with a clothe design one over it. 

[peaches5]

10 hours ago, debluvscanucks said:

These statements are untrue.

 

We've already posted about this....I'm not going to dig it out but you should.  Please don't post misinformation.  While cloth masks aren't AS effective as N95's or medical masks, they still aren't "useless".  And, depending on how many layers and the material they're made from, they can be quite effective.

 

They're not intended to replace other measures or give a false sense of security....we still should keep distance from others and wash hands.  But wearing any kind of face covering is useful and better than none.

Actually it’s not misinformation. 
 

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577 

Results The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm, with the rate of ILI statistically significantly higher in the cloth mask arm (relative risk (RR)=13.00, 95% CI 1.69 to 100.07) compared with the medical mask arm. Cloth masks also had significantly higher rates of ILI compared with the control arm. An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%.

 

statistical significants difference between the two. 97%... and you’re trying to say they’re not useless.... smh. Cloth is useless and telling people to use one over an n95 is the real misinformation. 

 

 

[IBatch]

7 minutes ago, peaches5 said:

Actually it’s not misinformation. 
 

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577 

Results The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm, with the rate of ILI statistically significantly higher in the cloth mask arm (relative risk (RR)=13.00, 95% CI 1.69 to 100.07) compared with the medical mask arm. Cloth masks also had significantly higher rates of ILI compared with the control arm. An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%.

 

statistical significants difference between the two. 97%... and you’re trying to say they’re not useless.... smh. Cloth is useless and telling people to use one over an n95 is the real misinformation. 

 

 

If everyone was wearing n95’s there wouldn’t be enough for healthcare workers who really need them.    It’s droplets that we are trying to avoid, and most would stay inside the mask if an asymptotic (or symptomatic) sneezed or coughed nearby.   Add to the social distancing it’s a practical strategy.    n95’s are also disposable’s sure you can wash them a few times but their effectiveness goes down.    Sure it’s safer (to wear both), but not sure how responsible it is.   If the supply chain would support it maybe I would feel differently.    And IF a sick person sneezed on you, doubt it would make much difference, when you go and take it off and clean up your touching your face with the leftovers anyways. 

[peaches5]

7 hours ago, KristoffWixenschon said:

She is talking about people wearing t shirt fabric over their faces and acting like they dont have to social distance anymore. Of course that's ridiculous. 

 

This is one persons opinion piece from April. It doesnt take into account the numerous studies done on various types of mask efficacy since then. 

 

Fabric masks dont do as good of a job as an n95. However it's well documented that they have an effect, especially when of heavier material, double layered with a filter pouch in between, which is what is recommended for public use. 

 

Shes certainly correct in saying that the mask wont solve this problem alone. We need many more precautions in place. 

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-0948_article 
 

The filtration effectiveness of cloth masks is generally lower than that of medical masks and respirators; however, cloth masks may provide some protection if well designed and used correctly. 
 

Notice may provide... CDC’s own site has no scientific proof that cloth masks do anything.

However, most studies of cloth masks were conducted in vivo and during the first half of the 20th century, before medical masks were developed. To our knowledge, only 1 randomized controlled trial has been conducted to determine the efficacy of cloth masks (4). 

 

one study which I posted before this that shows cloth is useless. But I’m being told the science says otherwise. No, it doesn’t. There is no evidence that shows cloth masks are effective on the contrary there is evidence of them being useless. 
 

I’m not arguing a cloth mask doesn’t stop some droplets but n95 are statistically significantly better 44% vs 97%... cloth really isn’t doing anything. CDC is trying to say the cloth masks might not have done so well because of the washing..well everyone is washing their cloth masks at home..

97% smh lol come on. 

 

[appleboy]

14 minutes ago, peaches5 said:

Actually it’s not misinformation. 
 

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577 

Results The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm, with the rate of ILI statistically significantly higher in the cloth mask arm (relative risk (RR)=13.00, 95% CI 1.69 to 100.07) compared with the medical mask arm. Cloth masks also had significantly higher rates of ILI compared with the control arm. An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%.

 

statistical significants difference between the two. 97%... and you’re trying to say they’re not useless.... smh. Cloth is useless and telling people to use one over an n95 is the real misinformation. 

 

 

The N95 helps to protect you from the environment around you. It seals to your face and nose. Best all-round choice.  Most of the masks we ware for covid are used to protect the people around you. They don't seal to your face. That is why everyone needs to be waring them.  

All I know is that I work in a remote fly in site and we are mandated to wear a mask when outside of our rooms.( medical masks) I have not had a cold or bug of any sort this year. That is very unusual. Normally the planes and busses would be full of people showing signs of colds and......

If everyone wares a mask it dose seem to help stop reduce the transmission of viruses.

[nucklehead]

First of all I think it's a classless thing for FA to "fire" him on Twitter, unless he said it face to face first. He may be unhappy with his extra curricular activity and how the general public may perceive and transfer it onto the organization, but the man deserves the respect to be told in person.   

Secondly, I personally have been hoping the Canucks would cut ties with him for some time now.  I am so tired of his schtick, his gimmick. It would have been OK once or twice as a novelty thing, or maybe as a playoff tradition.  But to have it game in and game out was getting pretty tired. I mean how lazy is the guy? He sings half a song and then make the crowd sing the other but gets paid the same as the guy that does the entire song as he should.

 

please

[peaches5]

8 minutes ago, IBatch said:

If everyone was wearing n95’s there wouldn’t be enough for healthcare workers who really need them.    It’s droplets that we are trying to avoid, and most would stay inside the mask if an asymptotic (or symptomatic) sneezed or coughed nearby.   Add to the social distancing it’s a practical strategy.    n95’s are also disposable’s sure you can wash them a few times but their effectiveness goes down.    Sure it’s safer (to wear both), but not sure how responsible it is.   If the supply chain would support it maybe I would feel differently.    And IF a sick person sneezed on you, doubt it would make much difference, when you go and take it off and clean up your touching your face with the leftovers anyways. 

I agree with people would be hoarding n95 and I also think it’s the cost... government mandates masks well n95 aren’t cheap... it’s political. 

 

If cloth was effective in some way it would have to be combined with social distancing, proper usage, proper cleaning, proper design and material there will be all these factors that have to be perfect and the vast majority of people wouldn’t do them all and that’s if they were shown to be effective, a big if. 

[appleboy]

I have never cared for Donnelly but getting fired is never fun. 

[IBatch]

5 minutes ago, peaches5 said:

I agree with people would be hoarding n95 and I also think it’s the cost... government mandates masks well n95 aren’t cheap... it’s political. 

 

If cloth was effective in some way it would have to be combined with social distancing, proper usage, proper cleaning, proper design and material there will be all these factors that have to be perfect and the vast majority of people wouldn’t do them all and that’s if they were shown to be effective, a big if. 

Of course they are affective.   And of course it matters how one uses them and how they clean them, touch their faces, hand hygiene etc.   Point is n95 masks area PPe required for our front line folks and perhaps the high risk ones too.  And disposable.    I’m not going to quote on the science on it other then the aerosol isn’t the issue - it’s the droplets - and it’s more about sick or asymptomatic folks from spreading it around.   Most of that would stay in their cloth masks.  

[MeanSeanBean]

1 hour ago, peaches5 said:

Actually it’s not misinformation. 
 

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577 

Results The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm, with the rate of ILI statistically significantly higher in the cloth mask arm (relative risk (RR)=13.00, 95% CI 1.69 to 100.07) compared with the medical mask arm. Cloth masks also had significantly higher rates of ILI compared with the control arm. An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%.

 

statistical significants difference between the two. 97%... and you’re trying to say they’re not useless.... smh. Cloth is useless and telling people to use one over an n95 is the real misinformation. 

 

 

This is wrong. Yes n95s are far superior in every way. Do you know how difficult they are to get ahold of. Do you know how few we even have at the average hospital in BC? I do. You posted a paper that compared apples and oranges and tried to pass it of as fact. That article you posted by no means said cloth masks are useless. That paper you posted is comparing cloth to medical, and yes medical is better. But if people don't have access to fresh medial masks each time they go out, a cloth is far better then nothing.

 

As someone who works in healthcare, and has experience and training in medical research I feel 100% comfertable saying you don't know what your talking about and you are spreading dangerous miss information during a pandemic.

Edited December 6, 2020 by shayster007

[peaches5]

9 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Of course they are affective.   And of course it matters how one uses them and how they clean them, touch their faces, hand hygiene etc.   Point is n95 masks area PPe required for our front line folks and perhaps the high risk ones too.  And disposable.    I’m not going to quote on the science on it other then the aerosol isn’t the issue - it’s the droplets - and it’s more about sick or asymptomatic folks from spreading it around.   Most of that would stay in their cloth masks.  

cloth prevents large droplets from sneezing, coughing or even talking that's it. That is what cloth prevents. I posted an interview with an expert on infectious disease who went over this and nothing has changed since then despite what people here are saying. This is all political to make people think they are being safe and to give a false sense of security. 

 

[peaches5]

2 minutes ago, shayster007 said:

This is wrong. Yes n95s are far superior in every way. Do you know how difficult they are to get ahold of. Do you know how few we even have at the average hospital in BC? I do. You posted a paper that compared apples and oranges and tried to pass it of as fact. That article you posted by no means said cloth masks are useless. That paper you posted is comparing cloth to medical, and yes medical is better. But if people don't have access to fresh medial masks each time they go out, a cloth is far better then nothing.

 

As someone who works in healthcare, and has experience and training and medical research I feel 100% comfertable saying you don't know what your talking about and you are spreading dangerous miss information during a pandemic.

I posted an infectious disease expert. I posted a controlled study. I posted the CDC statement on masks. You made a post where you can't even spell and expect me to believe you are a health care worker? Where? I would like to avoid this place. 

[MeanSeanBean]

14 minutes ago, peaches5 said:

I posted an infectious disease expert. I posted a controlled study. I posted the CDC statement on masks. You made a post where you can't even spell and expect me to believe you are a health care worker? Where? I would like to avoid this place. 

You posted one paper, and didn't even interpret its findings right. Then you attempt to belittle someone as an argument point due to autocorrect errors on a phone. You are a dangerous person in todays climate and I sincerely hope you don't come into my clinic.

Edited December 6, 2020 by shayster007

[peaches5]

11 minutes ago, shayster007 said:

You posted one paper, and didn't even interpret its findings right. Then you attempt to belittle someone as an argument point. You are a dangerous person in todays climate and I sincerely hope you don't come into my clinic.

I am not surprised I have to repeat myself to you. I posted an infectious disease expert. I posted a controlled study. I posted the CDC own statement on masks. I am also not surprised you can't understand scientific data. You're also suggesting that if people bought n95 masks then there wouldn't be enough for healthcare workers.. which would then make cloth masks political. I've yet to see someone post one study on cloth masks that shows efficacy. You know why? because no study exists that shows the efficacy of a cloth mask. 

[KristoffWixenschon]

59 minutes ago, peaches5 said:

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-0948_article 
 

The filtration effectiveness of cloth masks is generally lower than that of medical masks and respirators; however, cloth masks may provide some protection if well designed and used correctly. 
 

Notice may provide... CDC’s own site has no scientific proof that cloth masks do anything.

However, most studies of cloth masks were conducted in vivo and during the first half of the 20th century, before medical masks were developed. To our knowledge, only 1 randomized controlled trial has been conducted to determine the efficacy of cloth masks (4). 

 

one study which I posted before this that shows cloth is useless. But I’m being told the science says otherwise. No, it doesn’t. There is no evidence that shows cloth masks are effective on the contrary there is evidence of them being useless. 
 

I’m not arguing a cloth mask doesn’t stop some droplets but n95 are statistically significantly better 44% vs 97%... cloth really isn’t doing anything. CDC is trying to say the cloth masks might not have done so well because of the washing..well everyone is washing their cloth masks at home..

97% smh lol come on. 

 

You're stumbling over the word "may". "May" is common language used in the medical community. Even when researchers are quite certain, they add that little caveat. The world of science likes to be very precise, never using definitive language. And you realize that article you're citing isnt written by the CDC, right? It's a single article from a contributor.

 

Would you like to see that the CDCs website has evidence of cloth mask efficacy?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html

 

Here's a linked study that finds they can block 51% of cough aerosols. 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.05.20207241v3

 

Here's another noting their usefulness in containing droplet dispersal

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32624649/

 

Here's another, noting that medical masks and n95 are better, as we know, but that cloth masks help

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33087517/

 

Here's a visual study from the NEJM where they measure droplet exposure through face cloth material. Pretty effective.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007800

 

For now, the science is saying that a well designed cloth mask (see what Dr. Tam is recommending) is effective. Nobody is saying that they are as good as medical masks. If the science begins to show they are useless, I'll change course. But for you to cherry pick one study where cloth masks were used in a hospital setting, for a month, with infected patients... and claim that they are useless in preventing community exposure, because the staff in that study got sick... 

...when the leading public health doctors have made it so easy for you to find additional evidence that these measures are indeed effective...

Just be honest, man. Just say you dont want to wear one. Dont pretend the science is on your side.

[Nave]

We are so close to having a vaccine and these idiots hold an anti-mask rally. Will they protest the vaccine too?

[MeanSeanBean]

7 minutes ago, peaches5 said:

I am not surprised I have to repeat myself to you. I posted an infectious disease expert. I posted a controlled study. I posted the CDC own statement on masks. I am also not surprised you can't understand scientific data. You're also suggesting that if people bought n95 masks then there wouldn't be enough for healthcare workers.. which would then make cloth masks political. I've yet to see someone post one study on cloth masks that shows efficacy. You know why? because no study exists that shows the efficacy of a cloth mask. 

Wrong. I stopped trying to convince ignorant people early in the pandemic since it's a waste of time. I simply say my peace, and leave it. In this case, I can safely say you do not know enough about the subject to make any sort of viable statement in the matter, and I'm letting the rest of this peticular website know that.

If they want to believe that I spend my days in healthcare now during the pandemic, and over the last 10 years, that is up to them. Doesn't really matter. It's my word against yours and I'm saying exactly what I need to say.

 

And now to the ignore list because I don't spend time on a Canuck forum to listen to this Facebook PhD malarkey.

Edited December 6, 2020 by shayster007

[nux_win]

I actually liked Donnelly as a singer but I fully support his dismissal.  Until now I was unaware of his personal opinions and I would have preferred to keep it that way.  As a singer he did that quite well but that doesn't give him the right to use his fame to spread misinformation, especially when his words are putting people's lives at risk.  I support free speech but even the right to free speech isn't unlimited (a credible death threat for example is never legal).  And even if you don't say anything illegal, the right to free speech does not mean that you don't have to take responsibility for your words.  Some words don't really matter much but when you are trying to discourage people from following health protocols designed by medical experts and ordered by the government in order to try to save lives, without any credible evidence to the contrary, then you have gone too far.  Does a person's right to free speech override the public's need to protect itself from a deadly disease?  I think not.  If I were the Canucks ownership I wouldn't want to associate my business with attitudes like that.  You can sing your song but you gotta pay the piper when it's done.  Go Canucks Go!

[KristoffWixenschon]

17 minutes ago, peaches5 said:

because no study exists that shows the efficacy of a cloth mask. 

Oh?

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.05.20207241v3

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33087517/

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32467353/

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33087517/

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32624649/

 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007800

 

There are so many. You don't even have to look that hard. How long did you have to search for that one interview you keep citing from April?

[ChuckNORRIS4Cup]

For the ones who are crying to each other about what masks work and what masks don't work. Marketplace did a test on the masks check out the results.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/marketplace-masks-test-1.5795481