[Fired] Mark Donnelly

[Qwags]

I miss hockey. 

[canuck73_3]

22 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

He didn't lose his job due to "an opinion".

 

It was his actions....ones that violated a Public Health order that's currently in place to protect all of us.

 

I'd argue that he doesn't currently have a job to lose...there's no hockey being played last I checked.   So he is a "former" anthem singer.

 

I don't get why this is so difficult to grasp for some. 

[CaptKirk888]

29 pages and going strong, wow. 

Mods, maybe this needs to go into the Corona Virus thread?

[Bissurnette]

21 minutes ago, Baggins said:

For the average employee I agree, unless of course they make their employer is known in their activities. Then they are dragging their employer into their views. But when it's a high profile employee it's a little different. It's the difference between the anchorman and the cue card boy, or the celebrity chef and the dishwasher. One is high profile and identified with where they work while the other is an anonymous nobody. Thus high profile personalities put their job at risk if they create public controversy as it reflects on their employer. Freedom of speech can and does carry consequences. I fully agree that if an employee publicly reflects poorly on your business you have the right to terminate them. Hockey teams have expectations of the players, coaches, and staff on and off the ice and can they face fines, suspensions, and even contract termination. Should the anthem singer be any different?

 

Here's an example. An employee shows on their social media what they do for living and where they work. They are constantly posting and sharing posts promoting racism. The next thing you know your business is trending that it promotes or condones racism. Which obviously can have a rather negative effect not only on your business but reflect on you personally. Should you have the right to fire that person? I believe reflecting poorly on your employer away from work is no different then reflecting poorly while on the job. If your employer is known you're behavior, on the job or off, can affect their business and how the public views it.

Most adults have jobs therefore are associated with their company in some way, but not everyone is a spokesperson for their company. What you're saying is if you're a public figure, you can't have your own personal opinion on things. Why? It doesn't mean it's your employer's stance on the matter, unless the person is actually the spokesperson or explicitly states that they are sharing their company's views on a certain matter.

 

The scenario you're proposing can be resolved with a public statement from the business saying that the views shared by that individual are not reflective of the views of the company. They can also make the employee issue a disclaimer that the views they are sharing are their own personal views and not reflective of their place of employment. It's the mob mentality that does not distinguish between personal views and organizational views that I have an issue with. It's like someone that can't distinguish between the actor and the character they play on TV. That line of thinking is not conducive to public discourse. People get outraged over anything that gets enough attention on social media. That's what gets it to that level of attention, there's enough controversy in it to be discussed. I never got the hate David Booth saw when he shared hunting pictures. It's his own personal time and his own personal actions, if you have a problem with it stop following him on Twitter. That doesn't mean the Canucks want their players to hunt in their free time. There are enough people out there that if you put forth any opinion there will be a faction of people that will be outraged.

 

35 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

He didn't lose his job due to "an opinion".

 

It was his actions....ones that violated a Public Health order that's currently in place to protect all of us.

 

I'd argue that he doesn't currently have a job to lose...there's no hockey being played last I checked.   So he is a "former" anthem singer.

 

His opinion is what led to his protest which is an exercise in free speech. I don't support that, and never will. 

 

As for the semantics, it's a little too fine-tooth-combed, I'd rather discuss the ethics of the extent of a company's involvement in its employees personal opinions.

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35 minutes ago, Vanuckles said:

Most adults have jobs therefore are associated with their company in some way, but not everyone is a spokesperson for their company. What you're saying is if you're a public figure, you can't have your own personal opinion on things. Why? It doesn't mean it's your employer's stance on the matter, unless the person is actually the spokesperson or explicitly states that they are sharing their company's views on a certain matter.

 

The scenario you're proposing can be resolved with a public statement from the business saying that the views shared by that individual are not reflective of the views of the company. They can also make the employee issue a disclaimer that the views they are sharing are their own personal views and not reflective of their place of employment. It's the mob mentality that does not distinguish between personal views and organizational views that I have an issue with. It's like someone that can't distinguish between the actor and the character they play on TV. That line of thinking is not conducive to public discourse. People get outraged over anything that gets enough attention on social media. That's what gets it to that level of attention, there's enough controversy in it to be discussed. I never got the hate David Booth saw when he shared hunting pictures. It's his own personal time and his own personal actions, if you have a problem with it stop following him on Twitter. That doesn't mean the Canucks want their players to hunt in their free time. There are enough people out there that if you put forth any opinion there will be a faction of people that will be outraged.

 

His opinion is what led to his protest which is an exercise in free speech. I don't support that, and never will. 

 

As for the semantics, it's a little too fine-tooth-combed, I'd rather discuss the ethics of the extent of a company's involvement in its employees personal opinions.

He's not just having an opinion.  He's promoting himself at events by doing the anthem which sort of rides on the coattails of his paid gig.   It's not a far stretch to see how people would connect him as the "Canucks guy".

 

It's a conflict of interest if the group he's singing for and promoting goes directly against everything his "paid" gig stands for.  Pick a side (and he did).  He had choices and he knew that the one he made could come with consequences.  He's admitted that.  He prioritized things.

 

Workplaces often set out terms about these things.  And even if they don't, it's not hard to understand that your actions outside work should be within the law (and order) and not reflect negatively on you and, by way of that, your workplace.  

 

There have been many people fired for simply posting inflammatory statements on S/M.  Welcome to the world where what you say and do will possibly have consequences.

 

The hockey world has done a lot of good things during COVID....the fact that they pulled off the playoffs without a single case is testament to that.  It cost a lot of money and there was a whole lot of commitment put in to protecting everyone involved.  

 

The anti maskers poo poo all that.  They are in stark contrast to it.

 

If you don't want to be in the public eye/scrutiny, don't choose a job that puts you there.   The world is changing and with information being so readily available, your actions outside work can impact things.  Here are a few examples:

https://careers.workopolis.com/advice/14-canadians-who-were-fired-for-social-media-posts/

 

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Two Toronto firefighters, Matt Bowman and Lawaun Edwards, lost their jobs in 2013, according to the Sun, after posting “misogynistic and offensive tweets.” One post by Bowman read, “I’d never let a woman kick my ass. If she tried I’d be like HEY! You get your b—- ass back in the kitchen and make me some pie.” 

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Sunith Baheerathan, a Toronto area Mr. Lube employee lost his job in 2013 after he tried to use Twitter to source some pot and get it delivered.

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An unidentified London, Ontario man was fired in 2012 after he was caught trolling a memorial website dedicated to Amanda Todd,

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Damian Goddard, an on-air Sportsnet host, lost his job after he tweeted his support for hockey agent Todd Reynold’s anti-gay marriage stance. 

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An unnamed Canada Post clerk with 31 years’ experience was fired in 2009 for trashing management and the company on Facebook

 

[Bruce Boudreau]

Maybe he has a screw loose since the goof ate $&!# after tripping over the carpet.

[alt kilgore]

Selfishness

That's what it boils down to.  

 

Anti-maskers are huge babies.  Most probably agree that wearing a seat belt, or motorcycle helmet, is good.  And also understand the benefit of having those in law, if only because the medical costs to society are reduced  if everyone is compelled to wear one.   What's the difference?  Because it will save THEM.  

Masks on the other hand, are meant to protect the "other".   Can you find a handful of cases where someone got a rash?  Sure they may be allergic to the material.

But I can't believe some of us have to explain why wearing a covering, that blocks out most of the moisture spray from ones mouth, is a good thing to wear during a pandemic.  Really?

 

And that selfish covidiots like Donnelly only look at it as a personal freedom issue.  If that is the issue then why not march against bicycle and motorcycle helmets, seat belts, smoking in public.  Heck, why stop there.  Why tell us when and where we can pass on a roadway with dotted lines? Let us decide!  And why not be able to have a few drinks before driving? If I feel I can still drive, its my right and thets all that matters!

 

The concept of doing something for the common good is for them .....communism.  The very idea of citizens helping each other, with nothing in it for them, is foreign to them.  . FFS its a fricken mask!  And its only temporary. And it is to help more of us make it to the day when we can get a shot of vaccine. But but but ma freedumb!.  I've never seen such a group of grown up babies.

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Edited December 7, 2020 by kilgore

[Baggins]

34 minutes ago, Vanuckles said:

Most adults have jobs therefore are associated with their company in some way, but not everyone is a spokesperson for their company. What you're saying is if you're a public figure, you can't have your own personal opinion on things. Why? It doesn't mean it's your employer's stance on the matter, unless the person is actually the spokesperson or explicitly states that they are sharing their company's views on a certain matter.

 

The scenario you're proposing can be resolved with a public statement from the business saying that the views shared by that individual are not reflective of the views of the company. They can also make the employee issue a disclaimer that the views they are sharing are their own personal views and not reflective of their place of employment. It's the mob mentality that does not distinguish between personal views and organizational views that I have an issue with. It's like someone that can't distinguish between the actor and the character they play on TV. That line of thinking is not conducive to public discourse. People get outraged over anything that gets enough attention on social media. That's what gets it to that level of attention, there's enough controversy in it to be discussed. I never got the hate David Booth saw when he shared hunting pictures. It's his own personal time and his own personal actions, if you have a problem with it stop following him on Twitter. That doesn't mean the Canucks want their players to hunt in their free time. There are enough people out there that if you put forth any opinion there will be a faction of people that will be outraged.

Disclaimers are nice but will they actually prevent people from turning away from your business, or disparaging it, over a controversial employee. As in my racist example, would you lose business because you willingly employ a known racist? I believe employers have the right to protect their business from controversy. Particularly when it comes to high profile employees.

 

You're absolutely entitled to your opinions. But when those opinions are highly controversial and you make them a public spectacle they can, and often do, reflect on an employer who may want no part of it. Freedom of speech does not mean you can say what you want, when you want, where you want without consequences. Your behavior off the job can affect your employment just as much as behavior on the job. You have the freedom to choose which is more important to you.

[SNACanuck]

I met Mark (he's friends with my cousin) at a Canucks game one time. Very nice guy, buuuuuut if he is an anti-masker I have no problem with his employer firing him. The way they posted it was a little unprofessional, but that's their call.

 

The anti-maskers in the USA are true nut bags. I've seen plenty being in Orange county and with the surge in cases, consider yourselves all lucky you are back Canada. People that whine about the fact Fauci came out saying don't wear mask at the beginning need to remember they did that to supply health care workers with PPE. Not because mask didn't work, it was that it did work the health care professionals needed them more than the general public. Our moron of a president didn't bother buying supplies other than taking free crap from Russia. You have to remember how inadequate the US response has been to the rest of the world. It's been an absolute cluster F*** down here.

[AV's Coin]

6 hours ago, drummerboy said:

I remember always watching Jim Cornelison just destroy the building before Hawks/Canucks playoff games.  
Then the series goes to Van and this shlub Mail’s it in for half the song.  
He was an overrated singer. 
 

First the abortion rally crap, now this.  
Hey Mark.   Make like Micheal Jackson and Beat It. 

The guy sucked plain and simple as a singer... good riddance

[canuck73_3]

15 minutes ago, AV's Coin said:

The guy sucked plain and simple as a singer... good riddance

I liked his anthem and he far from sucked as a singer. As a person he leaves a lot to be desired though. 

Edited December 7, 2020 by canuck73_3

[higgyfan]

All I can add to this thread is...

 

Tyranny

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

LOL

[yes we can nucks]

2 hours ago, CaptKirk888 said:

29 pages and going strong, wow. 

Mods, maybe this needs to go into the Corona Virus thread?

Time for this thread to be physically distanced and masked!

[Me_]

On 12/4/2020 at 11:17 PM, Jaimito said:

Marie Hui is our de facto anthem singer. 

 

 

 

 

How this event perfectly describes the results of his decision.

 

Edited December 7, 2020 by Me_

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21 hours ago, wesley said:

I don't necessarily agree with his opinion on wearing masks. In fact, I am against it. But I have trouble with the firing. You don't get fired for expressing your opinions. Apparently, speech is free only if it fits certain narrative.

Many opinions can result in firings:

 

Racist, misogynistic, and homophobic expressed opinions

Threatening speech 

Speech that defies public health orders in place to protect people from contracting a deadly virus

 

Go tell your boss that your opinion of him is trash.  See how that goes.

 

Maybe with a union behind you you could be spared a firing...not sure.

 

If the narrative is one that can be harmful to others - makes sense to curb it.

[Lancaster]

10 hours ago, Goal:thecup said:

 

This is so stupid, I shouldn't even try; but ignorance and stupidity are two different things: stupid we can't fix, but education is enough to destroy ignorance.

 

One obvious difference from this crap you covidiots are spewing and reality, is that Donnelly did not get fired for attending a public rally.

He got fired for supporting and promoting, even singing as a herald, ignorant, stupid, and ultimately dangerous lies about how the general public should conduct themselves to help stem this deadly pandemic.

His 'employer' not only reacted correctly, but reacted swiftly enough to call him out for his abhorrent behavior and call on all of us to denounce their messages and misinformation before too much damage was (hopefully) done.

 

And he probably did not get fired "on Twitter"; Francesco knows to consult his lawyers and advisors before making public statements; and the statement was not to Donnelly, nor even telling him he was fired.

It was to the media to quit using "Canucks Anthem Singer" and consider "Former Canucks Anthem Singer" in their reporting as this was now his proper title; it was not firing Donnelly "on Twitter". 

So much crap out of these noisy fools; so little knowledgeable advice.

 

Democracy, free speech, other civil rights only enter this discussion as very important concerns that intelligent and informed people have previously fought and died to secure and defend.

Lest we forget.  Two world wars.  Thousands of people getting their heads cracked, imprisoned, abused, killed, ostracized, etc., for things like women's right to vote, unions right to strike,  and hundreds of other worthy causes that people sacrificed everything for because they are important and vital to proper growth of a modern enlightened society.

 

There is no inherent infringement of these rights for the government to insist that the general public wear masks to protect each other during a deadly global pandemic.

 

In Canada, we have actually suspended these cherished rights for the common good many times without losing any of our democratic rights and freedoms.

These rights were not so sorely won so that entitled covidiots could endanger the public, spreading their misinformation along with a virus capable of killing millions of people all over the globe by not wearing masks and not social-distancing properly.

In fact, we have strived to gain and protect these rights and freedoms so that megalomaniacs like Trump have greater difficulty succeeding in stirring up ignorant people with 'alternative facts' in order to allow them to behave like tyrannical dictators.

 

[Trump is on record as saying, when asked by reporters, before he ran for prez, if he was going to run, that he was not going to run, "but if I (he) was, I (he) would run under the Republican banner; because those people are so stupid, they will believe anything I say."] - I don't have time to get the quote for you, but it is out there and I can produce it if it would make any of you think twice and stop spreading this nonsense.

 

If you do not know these things, research them to ensure you are not guilty of this same spreading of misinformation, by coming on to this forum for example, and supporting other covidiots that are too lazy to learn the truth and think they are following some vanguard of protectors of the right to kill other people over a farting mask.

 

Don't be doing that here.  In fact, don't be doing that anywhere.

Get woke.  Or fart off and die (alone, preferably). 

But don't be trying to talk people into thwarting all our efforts to control the spread of this virus.

Where's the line between just showing up at a rally and promoting something?  

If he supports it, but don't do anything else but to show up at rally.... would that be considered as promotion and deemed as reason to get fired?  

At what point is just having "wrong think" is an actionable offense?  

 

BLM rally is perfectly fine since it's "good think", even though it violates what the health experts are promoting.  

But anti-mask rally is bad and is "wrong think", because it purposely goes against what the health experts are saying. 

Both goes against health guidelines and does spread the coronavirus.  Regardless of intention, action is what matters, and in terms of just actions, both are more or less the same.  

 

Don't get me wrong, I think being anti-mask is stupid, but it is slowly feeling like the concept of "thought crimes" is becoming a reality.  

[Davathor]

5 hours ago, CaptKirk888 said:

29 pages and going strong, wow. 

Mods, maybe this needs to go into the Corona Virus thread?

 

I think enough threads get merged into larger ones where discussion soon dies. This sparked off a debate about free speech, human rights, and social obligation. 

 

Let it run, there's F all else going on anyways. 

[babalu]

6 hours ago, AV's Coin said:

The guy sucked plain and simple as a singer... good riddance

Wouldn't say he sucked but I am kind of happy he will be gone as he reminds of losing in the cup final to Boston. Ready for some new energy. Marie Hui is my favorite anthem singer.

[Jaimito]

Marie Hui on Larsch Cast said she is contracted with Nux to do a few games a yr and also this past playoffs, and is not employee, and that may be the case with Mark. So technically he is not fired, but won't be called back. 

 

About 50:00 in 

 

[The LarschCast] #84: The LarschCast on Sportsnet650 Dec. 6 ft. Jazzy B, Stacy Jo Rost, and Marie Hui #theLarschcast 
https://chtbl.com/track/1188D5/www.buzzsprout.com/386482/6728770-84-the-larschcast-on-sportsnet650-dec-6-ft-jazzy-b-stacy-jo-rost-and-marie-hui.mp3?blob_id=28329010

 

[RU SERIOUS]

13 hours ago, DarthMelvin said:

Where did you get your information word for word please?

 

I want a link...

 

Surely you are not in any position to make these points yourself out right.

I assume your not following the news too closely and out of touch a bit with what is going on in the world if you're actually/seriously asking for this, (which I assume you are) and so I'd be delighted to provide you backup links and abbreviated calculations to support what I stated and help you get informed and brought up-to-speed.

 

1) Link to Current Covid Deaths in USA (To support the "close to 300K deaths so far) :https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

2) Current CDC Forecasted Deaths by April 1st 497,599 to 593,765 and that's conservatively.  If they ease things up in the next few months (God Forbid) deaths could mount to 900K) (Drag your cursor along the graph) : https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=total-deaths&tab=trend

3) Population of the USA 330M: Also shown in the same graph in a column at far right under the USA row:  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

4) Calculation result/statement of one in 600 dead Americans;  330,000,000/ divided by 600,000 = 550 based on high side of current prediction by the CDC,  If you want to take the lowest figure then use 330,000,000/ divided by 500,000 = 660.    I did not want to exaggerate so I used the middle number of 600K

5) Population under 18 in the USA from the last official United states census (2010) is 24% 

(Page 2 on the following Government report) https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-03.pdf

6) Calculation result/statement of one in 400 dead Americans over 18;  330,000,000 x .76 (to remove the 24% of children) = 250,800,000/ divided by 600,000 = 418.

 

Hopefully this clarifies things and I did not overwhelm you and your able to do this simple math.  If not, there is this thing on your computer (usually under accessories) called "a calculator".  If you're able to find that and know to use it, give these calculations a try and you'll get the same results as anyone else doing this simple math.  You can do all these calculations in a jiffy and It's lots of fun too!

 

Finally, if you also have questions why The Earth is not Flat, or that Vaccines do not kill people, or if you have any Area 51 questions, feel free to ask.  I'd be glad to help you sort that out too, as I'm always willing to take a moment to help "your type of people" out, using simple facts, math & science as I appreciate how FOX News can confuse "some people".  (Maybe you can send this to Mark D. too - to help him get informed and realize how serious this is.  Maybe that will snap him & some of "The Others" out of it !)

 

Cheers.....

Edited December 7, 2020 by RU SERIOUS