[Fired] Mark Donnelly

[yes we can nucks]

Anti maskers baffle me. It's a public health issue, not a personal rights one. It's like refusing to wear a seat belt in your car, or stopping at a red light. Everyone following the rules makes it safe for everyone. As for its effectiveness, trust the science. The medical views on mask effectiveness have changed during the pandemic along with the data research. Current research shows that a mask protects both the wearer and others around them. If everyone buys into it, it would limit the spread of the virus. People who refuse to wear one are selfish. As someone has alluded to already, Asian countries have the virus under control because wearing a mask was accepted as a safety measure. Everyone bought into it. On the other hand, the virus is raging out of control in 'the greatest country in the world' because Trump denied the science for political reasons (saving the economy). Sadly his anti mask rhetoric has influenced many others who have made it into a political issue. No surprise that the virus is out of control in the US now and hundreds of thousands of people will die unnecessarily.

Aquilini most definitely has the right to fire an employee who openly defies a public health measure that protects the public. It's like advocating not obeying traffic lights. It's not the viewpoint of the Club and he has to do what he did to protect the club's image.

 

[-DLC-]

Someone wanted "his side" of things.  Paraphrased and I've added my thoughts in red, but here it is:

 

He's not on social media and he didn't "get the news directly" as a result (about being the former voice of the Canucks).

 

About his decision to agree to the anti mask event:

 

"I guess if I'm going to sing at it I might as well promote it (and did)"

 

Main points why he decided to sing (and he says he didn't take it lightly):

 

-He loves his country/singing Oh Canada for all Canadians including those who he disagrees with or who hold unpopular opinions..."it's not illegal to have an unpopular opinion and it's not illegal to think masks are not working or that they have significant societal/psychological and economic consequences that are currently being ignored and I would say....especially by an irresponsible media (repeats this theme throughout)".

 

1040:  "You understand you even debating that would put you in the crosshairs with a lot of people really struggling with this pandemic?  Walk me through the thought process of this decision"

 

MD:  Part of it is like a lot of Canadians I don't like to make waves ().  I don't like the protocols even the people who are supporting the protocols probably don't like the protocols.  What I saw...if you let me continue on here (no one tried not to??) - there's room for debate on public policy and I am seeing that one side is being shut down/censored.   It's obvious that's being done.  I'm not a scientist (no sh Sh) but I do know that we come to truth by considering all the data.  Some data may support one side and some data may support the other side.  But we don't win an argument and base our public policy by censoring one side.  We come to the truth by considering..by listening to both sides and having a vigorous discussion.

 

1040:  So your thought is that by attending this event you're using your Canadian gift of freedom of speech to go out and follow what you believe in....am I hearing that right?

 

MD:  No.  That's not exactly what I said.  What I said is I saw one side being suppressed/censored.

 

1040:  So you're trying to bring light to the side that is being censored?

 

MD:  I'm trying to bring (uh).  I'm trying to include them as...or treat them like I would treat any other Canadian and I think that they're people that deserve that like any other group.

 

1040:  I understand where you're coming from with that.  I know you're still putting together a statement.  I know this has kind of caught you off guard and the sheer magnitude of it...so basically I just want clarification:  you're attending this event as you would attend anybody else's event but you're just using it as a forum to shine light on a part of society that's getting a bum rap?

 

MD:  Yes.  I think so and this is why...this is the part that people don't hear.  Everybody goes on their phones/computers and look at posts/articles by people they think are relevant or thought provoking and pass them on to their friends and family.   I'm not a person who is taking down all this data and making a meta analysis up.  But I have read enough of it by a lot of doctors and scientists who vociferously question these protocols.  And these are outstanding people (unlike our hacks?).  

 

Names names:  Dr. Sunetra Gupta, Dr. Ioannidis, Michael Levitt.

 

At 8:35 he starts to stammer/struggle a bit and can hardly describe his data:  "He had a graph he showed that there, when uh there were deaths from the virus there was a line and then when the interventions were introduced the line didn't change.  You would think if the interventions worked there'd be a drop so that's something that has to be looked at. And I'm not saying - again - I'm not a scientist.  I'm not saying that (um) I understand everything Dr. Levitt is saying but gosh um it's pretty persuasive and I don't see - and I'm pointing the finger at the media too - I don't see the media doing their job.  

 

1040:  In your decision making process to do this anti mask event, did you know that it could affect you with some of your other partners/businesses...and cost you your Canucks job? 

 

MD:  Uh yeah I did...I thought about it.

 

1040:  And you were still willing to move forward?

 

MD:  And and uh you know being the weak sort of person I am I probably had it delay my vision longer that it should.  But you know, when you're trying to stand up for something right - you believe is right - then you have to uh/sigh sometimes you have to forego the consequences.

 

INTERRUPTS LOUDLY HERE:  I've been a Canuck fan since 1970...since they came into the league (tells Cub Pack story).  I'm a Canuck fan and I'm STILL a Canuck fan.  Does it make me sad?  That when the Canucks win the SC I won't be singing the anthem?  Yeah...but you know what makes me more sad?  What makes me more sad is that we are losing our individual rights to be able to hold unpopular opinions that are not just whimsical (repeats that).  I'd say if they pose possibly fatal health risks to others...yes.

 

They are supported by some of the top doctors around the world (apparently his count but ours don't ) who are also having their tweets and their FB posts censored (how does he know if he's not on SM??...oh right, hearsay).  We have our own Dr. (?) who's been a physician for 40 years in BC.  In October this Dr. sent a letter to Dr. Henry asking her to explain why she's continuing these protocols which have been shown to be ineffective such as:  social distancing, such as face masks, closing businesses and schools and other uh naturopaths...EVERYTHING.  AND closing down places of worship with, with ... you know, it's mind boggling.

 

At 4:55 he interrupts, loudly/yelling.

 

AND I'LL TELL YOU ONE MORE THING.  This is a big one.  Not to mention ignoring the known effectiveness of Vitamin D for improving immune systems with resistance to this virus (keeps talking).

 

1040:  I think Dr. Henry is right now trying to - and mark I really respect the fact that you've got these opinions and I feel like I've given you the forum - but the only thing that I don't feel is negotiable here is - the masks.  I understand what you're talking about - Vit D and all these different theories of science but the single action of wearing a mask really doesn't fall under the same protocols as that.  We wear a mask and know scientifically, religiously, w/e that it actually helps us prevent the spread of this virus right now.  That's not up for discussion - I hear what you're saying.

 

INTERRUPTS AGAIN, YELLING:  NO YOU DON'T.  (REPEATS NO YOU DON'T).  There is data for 40 years up to this pint knocking that.  Dr. Fauci even said in April that they weren't effective.  I mean come on, you've gotta take all the data - you can't just cherry pick (but I can).  

 

1040:  I promise you I wear the mask because when I look at this through the science and the use of all the (?) tech I can see a 95% reduction in the transfer of this virus by simply me wearing a mask - if both of us wear a mask that goes up to 98%.  Those are just numbers that are  proven.

 

ANGRY MARK:  WHERE DID YOU SEE THAT?

 

1040:  Everywhere - it's across the board.

 

MD interrupts again:  You know what? - that was not anywhere until we had this virus (repeats himself).

 

1040:  I think people are starting to catch up with it (tries to steer back to sports related discussion).  I need clarification on one thing and I really do appreciate you coming on here and trusting me.  Just wanted to make sure when you took an invitation to take on this anti mask event that you knew that there was an opportunity to no longer be a Canuck associate - you knew that - that's clear - and also you've made this choice on your own.  I was wondering if it wasn't one of your...maybe your PR company.  You made these decisions on your own.

 

MD:  That's correct, right.  Well I've already answered the first one.  (rude)

 

1040:  Just wanted to make sure because a lot of people are taking shots at you and I wanted them to hear your thoughts.

 

MD:  What PR firm?  This is, like, not a popular position.

 

1040:  Again, clarifying:  You made the decision to book that event...it wasn't a company on your behalf/PR.  That was you saying "Yes, I take on this gig"?

 

MD:  Yes

 

Wrap up discussion about meeting the middle.

 

MD:  Yes, as long as you....   I'm willing to see your data however if you're like the majority of the media you won't look at the data on the other side.

 

Talk of a deal to both continue to educate themselves.

 

MD:  This is all I'm asking for/want...you bring your best ammunition and I bring my best ammunition and we throw it in the pot there and we honestly look at what it really shows to us and that's the thing that's not happening.

 

 

[Jack in the box]

Well, posting this one last time. 

(Wear a mask, its not about you. Its about trying to help keep others saver. So f him)

 

[-DLC-]

Here's the link:

https://post.futurimedia.com/ckstam/playlist/listen-28518.html

 

What I took away from it:

 

His ideas are the right ideas because .... they're his.  We're sheeple on SM and he's not on there .... but I'd question how he gets his information?  Mailed to him on hard copy?  

 

We really get the confirmation that he knowingly accepted this gig even though it went against public health orders and that he fully understood there could be consequences for his actions.   

 

The fake news media (he sounds Trump like to me at times).

 

He's quite rude and belligerent in my opinion.  Don't let the door hit ya...

 

 

[JM_]

What is it the kids say? Play stupid games win stupid prizes? 

[JM_]

11 hours ago, Lancaster said:

He has all rights to believe what he believes in and the team has all rights to terminate his contract... but this is slowly becoming a bit dangerous where there's retaliation for person opinions/beliefs/etc.  

how is it retaliation when everyone is within their rights? 

[Ghostsof1915]

If this is truly his thoughts as Deb posted. I liked him better when he was just a singer. He needs to have the wheels re-aligned on his skateboard. 

 

Reminds me of Yes, Prime Minister.

 

"So, my facts are just statistics, but your statistics are facts." 

[JM_]

2 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

If this is truly his thoughts as Deb posted. I liked him better when he was just a singer. He needs to have the wheels re-aligned on his skateboard. 

 

Reminds me of Yes, Prime Minister.

 

"So, my facts are just statistics, but your statistics are facts." 

its really unfortunate what the conservative "my facts vs your facts" "narrative" thing has done to people. I don't know that we'll ever be able to bridge that gap with people sunk deep on that. I'm starting to feel sorry for them now. 

 

MD didn't do anything wrong, he's a local public figure and he chose to use his platform to say his piece. But that kind of thing does force an employer to respond. Even silence by a company can be looked at as being complicit. 

[-DLC-]

6 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

If this is truly his thoughts as Deb posted. I liked him better when he was just a singer. He needs to have the wheels re-aligned on his skateboard. 

 

Reminds me of Yes, Prime Minister.

 

"So, my facts are just statistics, but your statistics are facts." 

It's from an interview with him (posted the link afterward as edit can be messy at times).

 

I typed as I listened to it so feel free to correct anything I may have missed.

[JM_]

7 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

It's from an interview with him (posted the link afterward as edit can be messy at times).

 

I typed as I listened to it so feel free to correct anything I may have missed.

 

anyone that thinks Aquilini didn't need to respond isn't thinking it out. If there are going to be any fans in Rogers or maybe even BC place, mask wearing will be required.

 

Donnelly just undercut that message in a very public way. Aqulini really had no choice if trying to get a limited number of fans back at the rink is on the table. He can't allow an employee, even a temporary one, to undercut that message and not expect some fans to show up and be problematic about mask wearing. 

 

 

Edited December 5, 2020 by Jimmy McGill

[-DLC-]

10 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

its really unfortunate what the conservative "my facts vs your facts" "narrative" thing has done to people. I don't know that we'll ever be able to bridge that gap with people sunk deep on that. I'm starting to feel sorry for them now. 

 

MD didn't do anything wrong, he's a local public figure and he chose to use his platform to say his piece. But that kind of thing does force an employer to respond. Even silence by a company can be looked at as being complicit. 

As a society, we're moving more toward social responsibility and that's seeping into workplaces (as it should).   The NHL has tried to incorporate socially responsible commentary and messages, even if a work in progress.  Teams and the league now understand they have a platform that can be used to spread messages.   Some disagree with them using their voices outside "sport" but others feel it's a responsibility.  When you have "fans" the messages you send (or don't) can greatly influence things.

 

Those arguing "difference of opinions" are missing the fact that an opinion does not override public health and safety.  If it puts those things at risk, it becomes dangerous.  It's WHY we have DWI's, seatbelts, helmet laws, "no shoes no shirt no service".....there are measures in place to protect everyone.  Even if some don't like them.

 

It's not forever but what IS forever is the impression some will make in this - both good and bad.  Not that "image" matters but I, personally, know that people who are willing to do a few things to keep other safe have my absolute respect and those who don't don't.   Our statements reflect a lot more than our opinions.  They also give clues as to empathy, thinking outside "self" and being inconvenienced, etc.  This pandemic is really revealing at times.

 

I love this team for taking a stand here.  MD argues by presenting HIS supporting evidence like it's THE evidence.  If he was simply questioning it "all" he wouldn't be making statements like they are facts:  "ineffective" (untrue from what the data I've seen shows).   And he suggests there is censorship:   how are people learning about the anti mask rallies?  How are they invited?  I've seen coverage of them (wish I didn't have to).  So this is false....no one is censoring "facts"....just that some of the disinformation is being weeded out.  Rightfully so.

[JM_]

2 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

As a society, we're moving more toward social responsibility and that's seeping into workplaces (as it should).   The NHL has tried to incorporate socially responsible commentary and messages, even if a work in progress.  Teams and the league now understand they have a platform that can be used to spread messages.   Some disagree with them using their voices outside "sport" but others feel it's a responsibility.  When you have "fans" the messages you send (or don't) can greatly influence things.

 

Those arguing "difference of opinions" are missing the fact that an opinion does not override public health and safety.  If it puts those things at risk, it becomes dangerous.  It's WHY we have DWI's, seatbelts, helmet laws, "no shoes no shirt no service".....there are measures in place to protect everyone.  Even if some don't like them.

 

It's not forever but what IS is the impression some will make in this - both good and bad.  Not that "image" matters but I, personally, know that people who are willing to do a few things to keep other safe have my absolute respect and those who don't don't.  

 

I love this team for taking a stand here.  MD argues by presenting HIS supporting evidence like it's THE evidence.  If he was simply questioning it "all" he wouldn't be making statements like they are facts:  "ineffective" (untrue from what the data I've seen shows).   And he suggests there is censorship:   how are people learning about the anti mask rallies?  How are they invited?  I've seen coverage of them (wish I didn't have to).  So this is false....no one is censoring "facts"....just that some of the disinformation is being weeded out.  Rightfully so.

totally agree Deb, but the highlighted part ^ is the problem. We do have a significant number of people now that do think their opinion trumps public health. They try to justify it by minimizing it to a "your narrative vs my narrative' argument. Thats the real crime of the Trump era, making some people turn everything into a belief system vs following simple basic science and the best medical advice. 

 

 

 

[Baggins]

8 hours ago, Dumb Nuck said:

Sorry but seatbelts and hard hats don’t do more harm than good, I  believe masks do, I know many people that have nasty face rashes and one person that developed a lung infection, rebreathing crap you expelled then have bacteria grow on it can’t be healthy, we do not know the long term results of constant mask wearing and I’m not prepared to be a guinea pig, if you are go ahead and good luck.

Neither do masks. If you ever need a surgery be sure to tell the doctors you don't want them wearing their nasty masks in the operating room. The guinea pigs have spoken - medical staff and researchers have been wearing masks for decades. Which should be an obvious indication they do far more good than harm.

[Ghostsof1915]

10 minutes ago, Baggins said:

Neither do masks. If you ever need a surgery be sure to tell the doctors you don't want them wearing their nasty masks in the operating room. The guinea pigs have spoken - medical staff and researchers have been wearing masks for decades. Which should be an obvious indication they do far more good than harm.

Especially since at least the early 1930's (probably far before that) Surgeons/Nurses/Technical staff wore gowns, gloves, and masks. And scrubbed up prior to operations. 

[J.I.A.H.N]

10 hours ago, Dumb Nuck said:

I will never be convinced that sticking something in front of your mouth and nose that captures what your body is trying to shed then festers bacteria that grows in that warm, moist environment  that you suck back into your lungs can be healthy. Sadly my wife has to wear a mask for work but the mask she bought I can spray water through with a spray bottle and so far she’s been OK. There have been several people at her work that have had rashes around their mouth and one person that developed a lung infection, they were off work for 2 weeks then quit. On top of everything since it’s harder to hear people they get closer to each other, my wife struggles for personal space.

 

Luckily I don’t have to wear a mask 8+ hours a day, I will wear it where required by law but have changed my habits significantly. For instance, we live right beside sky train and I used it quite a bit but now I drive everywhere to avoid wearing the mask.

 

Remember when COVID made the news and we had the great TP shortage, people panic and I believe mask wearing is meant to made people feel like they have some sort of control otherwise it would be insanity out there.

What really scares me is how our rights are being sacrificed and Marks dismissal is just another example.

 

What really makes no sense is:

 

https://www.yvr.ca/en/passengers/flights/arriving-flights

http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/public-exposures-flights-tables-Current.pdf

 

Yeah, a guy gets fired for singing an anthem but we keep importing COVID cases.

 

Finally, one thing that actually does peeve me, most us live in shoe boxes but the politicians making the rules live in huge houses, I’m not supposed to have my 3 kids visit for Christmas but they can still go get their hair done and houses cleaned by maids, somehow maids are essential but family isn’t.

 

 My motto, don’t be a douche to the minimum wage employees forced to enforce the rules, suck it up, get in and out but also don’t be a sheep and believe people that lie for a living.

 

Read my lips, no new taxes.

 

Ponder this, why do doctors wear masks?

To prevent infections in the patients.

 

What causes infections?

Bacteria.

 

Masks are meant to stop the spread of bacteria which are significantly larger than viruses, that’s probably why the warnings on boxes of mask say “will not stop the spread of viruses including COVID”.

 

 

Dumb Nuck

 

Consider your rights as privilege's that society gives you

Society is not you, singular, but us in whole

AS "whole", we give the Government authority to rule over us

and police the decisions we make, as a "whole"

This includes, giving the Health Authority, the responsibility to collect information

and make decisions for "US" as a "whole", based on that information

Certain individuals may disagree with those decisions

But the Government, or "US" as a whole, agree with them, and support them.

It is a bottom line issue. Not to be ignored.

"IF" you as an individual disagree with your Governments decisions

"You" have the right to form your own political party and run for office.

I the public in "whole" agree with your platform, then you will get elected

and will be able to form Government and make policy, that protects our society ("whole")

But, if you do not win, then you must follow, what or rather who, society has elected.

Just because "you" say, that it is alright to not wear a mask, does not give you that right

"you" do not speak for society or who they have elected.

"Society" has made a decision, and it is final

"IF" you decide to break "Societies" rules, then you must suffer the consequences

Pretty simple, really........... 

 

Imagine all nurses and doctors deciding not to wear masks

and Covid, as it is now, was rampant

Now, you have to go to the hospital with your aging parent

and the doctor or nurse are bent over your parent, as they cough and sniffle

With you knowing fully well they have Covid

How would you feel?

 

Now remember, before you answer this

What is your CDC name?

I will give you a hint! It is "Dumb Nuck"

But please, go and answer my question

 

 

[JM_]

8 hours ago, Dumb Nuck said:

Sorry but seatbelts and hard hats don’t do more harm than good, I  believe masks do, I know many people that have nasty face rashes and one person that developed a lung infection, rebreathing crap you expelled then have bacteria grow on it can’t be healthy, we do not know the long term results of constant mask wearing and I’m not prepared to be a guinea pig, if you are go ahead and good luck.

 

this might be of interest to you. The first link is to a University of SK study that shows there are no negative impacts from wearing masks during vigorous exercise. So the idea floating around that your breathing is negatively effected is not supported.

 

The second one is from a reputable medical centre on how to properly maintain a mask.

 

The third one is a study of the long term effects of mask use by healthcare workers, e.g. people that wear them for 12 hour shifts, vs. say wearing one in Costco for an hour. Again, no significant health issues but some discomfort issues as you might expect for things like 12 hour shift use. 

 

https://medicine.usask.ca/news/2020/usask-researchers-find-face-masks-dont-hinder-breathing-during-exercise.php

 

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-how-to-care-for-your-face-mask

 

https://www.ajicjournal.org/article/S0196-6553(13)00592-0/pdf

 

 

 

Anecdotal stories from people you know can be powerful, but its important to look at the real work that's been done. 

 

Edited December 5, 2020 by Jimmy McGill

[Gurn]

Donelly wasn't let go for saying he's an anti-masker. He was let go for saying he was going to ignore public health orders regarding social distancing, and masking up.

 

He has his free speech, with consequences, as we all do; he does not have freedom of gathering.

 

 

 

[Stelar]

This guy has been a donkey for quite some time. Good riddance to the guy who sings half of the anthem. 

[GB5]

I think the anti maskers have missed the mark in a big way. It is not about their personal rights and freedoms. It is about trying to control a deadly pandemic and protect the rights of the elderly and more vulnerable citizens of our province.

Anti-maskers are displaying selfish and antisocial behavior that is quite disturbing.

[Stelar]

1 hour ago, debluvscanucks said:

Here's the link:

https://post.futurimedia.com/ckstam/playlist/listen-28518.html

 

What I took away from it:

 

His ideas are the right ideas because .... they're his.  We're sheeple on SM and he's not on there .... but I'd question how he gets his information?  Mailed to him on hard copy?  

 

We really get the confirmation that he knowingly accepted this gig even though it went against public health orders and that he fully understood there could be consequences for his actions.   

 

The fake news media (he sounds Trump like to me at times).

 

He's quite rude and belligerent in my opinion.  Don't let the door hit ya...

 

 

Just listened to the interview. He doesn't sound like the sharpest tool in the shed.  

 

He says the protocols didn't move the needle. Uh ya they did. We did a lockdown in March that helped lower the cases, then we opened up and eased the restrictions and the cases went up.