[Discussion] Canucks Orca.

[IBatch 11,194]

20 minutes ago, morgo said:

Blue, White and Green forever.

 

Black, Gold and Red never.

Did you get permission to use the logo? Hmmm...sounds fishy I’m sure you’ve offended someone.   

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53 minutes ago, vancouverbucsfan said:

 

Love the Johnny Canuck jersey, esp w/Bo in it; these guys rocked that sweater too.

 

This old VCHC photo interested me very much, thank you. 

Trent Beatty played for the Prince George Mohawks (and was probably there the year they went all the way and won everything (and beat up everybody that stood in their way). 

That was a really, really, tough team that I am constantly reminded of every time I pull out the old Slapshot tape/DVD/download.

 

Marty Howe on D.  Maloney and Popein were really solid players.

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2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

when you consider the word 'honouring' tho, it implies some level of respect. I'd think respect would include discussion if at all possible.

 

Maybe using an image for a sports team isn't positive for the ones being used if its just been taken and used with no attempt at consultation. You really can't know until you've had a discussion with them about it, imo anyway. 

 

Imagine if Bettman chose the Canadian uniforms for the Olympics e.g. as part of the negotiation between the NHL and Olympic Committee (which isn't far fetched if they want to ad advertising, e.g.). Would we all be "honoured" at what Bettman came up with? 

What's more respectful then using it in a symbol cherished by the majority of the local population.  Pro-sports teams bring the community together and using their art style is a compliment imo.  It'd be different if they used this logo as a way to mock their culture but that's obviously not the case.

 

I don't know if honoured is the right word but I won't be offended that Gary Bettman (an American) designed our jerseys.

53 minutes ago, YEGCanuck said:

I don't believe the Canucks use of an orca whale image is a cultural mis-appropriation. Use of the words "Eskimo", "Indian" and "Redskin" in a team name for many years is a whole different story.

I agree 100%.  If the Canucks do end up addressing this issue than will the Seahawks be pressured to change?

 Also will the Atlanta Braves, Kansas City Chiefs, Chicago Blackhawks also rebrand?

[CRAZY_4_NAZZY 11,153]

With the NHL exploring jersey ads for more additional revenue, it really doesn't matter anymore what the logo/color scheme is to me.

 

Eventually the atrocity will be this...

 

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Just now, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

With the NHL exploring jersey ads for more additional revenue, it really doesn't matter anymore what the logo/color scheme is to me.

 

Eventually the atrocity will be this...

 

NBA Jersey ads aren't bad at all.

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22 minutes ago, Roger Neilsons Towel said:

Canucks fans still can’t agree on what logo or colour scheme the team should go with. Comforting to know that some things in this world never change. 
 

That's because they have never had a proper logo or identity from the get go. Look at the knights and the new Seattle logos. Both winners and top selling merchandise the past years. The orca makes no sense whatsoever. The team is named after a fictional lumberjack. The whale reminds us of their past mistakes like the Messier signing(worse free agent pick up!) Gretzky getting shafted but the previous owner when he was gonna sign a contract the following morning via Pat Quinn to center Mogilny and Bure, Bert clubbing Steve Moore, etc, needs to go now finally. Out of here, later haters!

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3 hours ago, StealthNuck said:

It's pretty easy. Cultural appropriation is when a dominant culture appropriates from a disadvantaged minority culture. It can be seen as exploitation of the minority culture and traditions. If the Canucks logo was made (and used) without any consultation with local indigenous community, that's likely appropriation. The scale and effects of that are up for discussion. 

 

On that note, everyone needs to remember this is a discussion. The logo hasn't been immediately 'cancelled' because of a few twitter posts. 

 

Personally, I'd love to see the Canucks reach out and request the orca be redesigned by a local indiginous artist (Salish?). 

Regardless of the reason... I'm okay with this.  The logo could look even more menacing and stylistic with true west coast haida art.

Wow.... Unraveling all the wrongs of the world... A reckoning from biggest to smallest.  Lots to process, try to stay open everyone.  

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24 minutes ago, vancouverbucsfan said:

That Aquaman as owner will never get one of these! Lmao!

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12 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

With the NHL exploring jersey ads for more additional revenue, it really doesn't matter anymore what the logo/color scheme is to me.

 

Eventually the atrocity will be this...

 

It'll be all fun and games until a player refuses to wear the outfit because they have an endorsement agreement with a competitor to one of the team's sponsors.

 

ex. Wayne McCrosby: "I can't wear a Durex logo because I'm sponsored by Trojan".

 

Then your options become: trade the poor guy, or break your contract with the sponsor (player or team), none of which would be good for the reputations of either the team or the player.

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30 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Did you get permission to use the logo? Hmmm...sounds fishy I’m sure you’ve offended someone.   

I don't think my post was about a logo...

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Why is it always with these things it's no problem for decades, then ONE person complains and then the company caves and changes everything. Completely absurd.

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I love the Orca. I like that it's a tribute to First Nations art.

Now we're complaining about cultural appropriation, but in the future we'll be complaining that First Nations aren't getting representation. 

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5 minutes ago, ESP77 said:

Why is it always with these things it's no problem for decades, then ONE person complains and then the company caves and changes everything. Completely absurd.

A- Welcome.

B- This has been discussed for a while, but it's also been ignored for a while.

C- It's been brough up by more than one person.

D- It's a simple discussion, no company has caved and nothing has changed yet. 

E- Hyperbole. 

 

I would love it if you could introduce me to the world you live in where individual people are going around making companies cave and change everything. Sounds nice. 

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1 hour ago, 10pavelbure96 said:

make these permanent

Can’t, sorry 

I would be offended.

spaghetti doesn’t deserve this 

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10 minutes ago, ESP77 said:

Why is it always with these things it's no problem for decades, then ONE person complains and then the company caves and changes everything. 
 

What I find ironic is the generation(s) that take most offense are the younger ones these days.    Wonder how many white people have spent the time to talk to older First Nations folks to see how they really feel.   Making it their cause when it’s so far past their cause it’s extremely ironic that those same fans who love the orca and grew up with it could become the same fans who see it leave because some future generation decides it was in poor taste.   Cowboys and Indians and War were the main games kids played in gen x and baby bombers.   Made up play ... that’s what we did.   And loved playing any side.    Make wrong is about power, greed and money as much as anything else.    Hope folks wake up and just cut it out.   Bet they might re-consider some of their own hypocrisy if they are going to lose something they thought was ok...

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It's an awful, awkward looking logo. Looks like a constipated whale. If this is the impetus to get rid of it finally, I'd be thrilled.

 

Stick in rink officials with black skate thirds please. 

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Waiting for people to be outraged over the Minnesota Vikings. . . .

 

oh wait....

 

As previously mentioned in this thread, the logo should be changed back to the skate because the Orca is ugly, not because its 2020 and everyone is offended by everything

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3 hours ago, Rush17 said:

please make this our new primary then pls !

 

It’s offensive to hockey sticks. 

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2 hours ago, AbrasiveAjax said:

love the fact that some DUDE in Squamish is offended and defensive.

 

Please stop using racist terms, I'm just a Dude on the west coast of Vancouver island, that happens to have 20% indigenous heritage.

 

 

Lol what was racist in that 

[Goal:thecup 1,884]

The goal is to win The Cup.

The aggressive black, red, yellow, white was the result of trying to use sports psychology to gain an edge.

 

Any attempt to increase the chances to win The Cup are ok with me.

Despite the reasons some people did not like those uniforms, the team had some success, which might be partially attributable to the new colours.

 

I could give a flying "V" if they wear negligees, just win The Cup!