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2 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

if you are in bc

call 8-1-1

for additional information and guidance

Thank you. I do think it is just a bad flu as my cough has not been worsening. 

 

I just find it a bit silly that people with a minor cold are telling others with a severe fever and coughing not to worry just because don't have shortness of breath.. as far as I know pneumonia would be a latter developments of the virus and that is what would cause shortness of breath. 

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Just now, coastal.view said:

it has to do more with the ability to create social distance then that people go to a location in numbers

a lot of those facilities can avoid crowding of attendees

 

There are large areas within all those places where people can gather in numbers. Most do it without even realizing they're doing so. Why not shut it down and avoid the possibility?

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1 minute ago, coastal.view said:

it has to do more with the ability to create social distance then that people go to a location in numbers

a lot of those facilities can avoid crowding of attendees

 

Nope! I worked at the Aquarium for 10 years...there is NO avoiding crowding!! Those are places to avoid 100%!!!

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2 minutes ago, Ossi Vaananen said:

I've presented facts. Irans numbers, facts. Italy's  numbers, facts. YVR arrivalss, facts. ICU bed numbers from an academic source, facts. You seem more inclined to cherry pick by ignoring all these.

you've also posted 'facts' from fake twitter accounts and have claimed Canada's not acting. You're on some sort of tack here, not really sure why but I suspect you're going to continue. You can feel free not to respond. 

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28 minutes ago, Ossi Vaananen said:

This is confounding to say the least. Yes, I believe air traffic should have been shut down, borders too. What would it have done to our economy? look at what has already been done, TSX down 20%, asinine point. 

So you say.  But did any of the medical experts they're listening too say close the borders?  Cancel travel?  You think 20% is bad?  Imagine 6 weeks of no inner or outer travel while this is still occurring around the globe.

 

You can call it asinine but you can't claim it's wrong

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Just now, 'NucK™ said:

Thank you. I do think it is just a bad flu as my cough has not been worsening. 

The cough doesn't need to worsen. It's defined as a dry, persistent cough.

Just now, 'NucK™ said:

I just find it a bit silly that people with a minor cold are telling others with a severe fever and coughing not to worry just because don't have shortness of breath.. as far as I know pneumonia would be a latter developments of the virus and that is what would cause shortness of breath. 

The main symptoms according to health professionals I have talked to are the aforementioned cough, shortness of breath, a temperature of at least 100.4, and body aches. Runny nose and sneezing are not related to the viral illness

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6 minutes ago, 'NucK™ said:

Thank you. I do think it is just a bad flu as my cough has not been worsening. 

 

I just find it a bit silly that people with a minor cold are telling others with a severe fever and coughing not to worry just because don't have shortness of breath.. as far as I know pneumonia would be a latter developments of the virus and that is what would cause shortness of breath. 

it is likely best not to rely on or worry too much about what others tell you

unless they have proper medical training

you'll stress yourself otherwise

 

the simplest thing to do if you are sick is to get medical advise from someone trained to give it

the easiest way presently is calling 8-1-1

if you do not have urgency, you can consider calling when the lines might be less busy

 

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1 minute ago, 24K PureCool said:

My only hope is that this crisis finally wakes Americans up to the need of having universal healthcare and the ineffectiveness of private health insurance in time of public health crisis. 

 

Not holding my breath though.

God I miss our BC healthcare system right about now. 

apparently some insurance companies are waiving the co-pay on treatment for covid19. Which is basically universal healthcare...... 

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2 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

There are large areas within all those places where people can gather in numbers. Most do it without even realizing they're doing so. Why not shut it down and avoid the possibility?

because people need to take on some personal responsibility

and change their behaviour for the time being

and discipline themselves to create social distancing

we can remind each other as we meet each other 

what the new appropriate way to socially interact is

 

while this pandemic is ongoing

everyone has the ability to learn

no need to force everyone to stay isolated at home always

and close down every possible form of diversion or entertainment

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14 minutes ago, Ossi Vaananen said:

'take out China, Iran, and Italy's numbers' you lost me right there. Talk about convenient. The Spanish flu was 2.5%, so your lower estimates don't make me feel any better.

How is taking out those 3 convenient?  There's 110+ other data points to work with.  That tells a much better story which is also consistent with China's numbers.  Italy and Iran are outliers right now. 

 

What exactly does the spanish flu have to do with a completely different virus? :rolleyes:

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For all of Canada's inability to deal with this, it does pale in comparison to assigning the task to Kushner:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/13/jared-kushner-combat-coronavirus-facebook-127941

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“Tonight I was asked by Jared through my son-in-law for my recommendations, that’s when I turned to you my fellow BAFERD’s for help,” he wrote using a nickname for Bad Ass &^@#ing Emergency Room Doctors. “Between patients tonight I have reviewed your responses and will summarize what I am sending to Jared for your PEER review before I send it.”

“Jared is reading now,” Kloss followed up later.

We'll see if this facebook group pans out. 

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1 minute ago, PhillipBlunt said:

The cough doesn't need to worsen. It's defined as a dry, persistent cough.

The main symptoms according to health professionals I have talked to are the aforementioned cough, shortness of breath, a temperature of at least 100.4, and body aches. Runny nose and sneezing are not related to the viral illness

Thank you for scaring me even more :lol:

My temperature has been getting better tho, so I guess covid or not, I have managed to fight it off.. so now that makes me wonder.. can people recovered from covid still spread the virus for a few days after their symptoms go away?? 

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Just now, 'NucK™ said:

Thank you for scaring me even more :lol:

My temperature has been getting better tho, so I guess covid or not, I have managed to fight it off.. so now that makes me wonder.. can people recovered from covid still spread the virus for a few days after their symptoms go away?? 

Isn’t it two in isolation?  Stay home, drink booze, watch porn. 

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6 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

you've also posted 'facts' from fake twitter accounts and have claimed Canada's not acting. You're on some sort of tack here, not really sure why but I suspect you're going to continue. You can feel free not to respond. 

I'm sure we'll have it out again. Do keep in mind I never levied insults or implied you were some sort of sadist that enjoyed this. No, that latter designation was reserved for me, something I won't soon forget. 

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Just now, coastal.view said:

because people need to take on some personal responsibility

and change their behaviour for the time being

and discipline themselves to create social distancing

we can remind each other as we meet each other 

what the new appropriate way to socially interact is

This isn't the time for a teaching moment. That time has passed. Relying on people to change their ingrained, subconscious habits in time is a fool's errand, and could have dire consequences. The best way to prevent a fool from cutting themselves isn't to show them how to use a knife properly, it's to take the knife away from them.

Just now, coastal.view said:

while this pandemic is ongoing

The pandemic is ongoing because of the virulence of the virus.

Just now, coastal.view said:

everyone has the ability to learn

no need to force everyone to stay isolated at home always

and close down every possible form of diversion or entertainment

Has the government stated that there is a curfew? Martial law? No. Shutting down aquariums and galleries is more than likely a necessity at this point. How that impacts someone's enjoyment at this point is irrelevant.

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5 minutes ago, 'NucK™ said:

Thank you for scaring me even more :lol:

My temperature has been getting better tho, so I guess covid or not, I have managed to fight it off.. so now that makes me wonder.. can people recovered from covid still spread the virus for a few days after their symptoms go away?? 

Call 811, Nuck. They'll give you the lowdown. Not trying to scare you. Just giving you the facts. The people on 811 will let you know what your best course of action is. The fact that your temperature is decreasing is a great sign though.

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