Sharpshooter Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 7 hours ago, spur1 said: Strangest thing today. Went to see the doctor today and had to wear a mask in the clinic but at the end of the visit he tried to shake my hand. He’s only human. It was probably just a brain fart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 8 hours ago, spur1 said: Strangest thing today. Went to see the doctor today and had to wear a mask in the clinic but at the end of the visit he tried to shake my hand. It's not strange. You had to sanitize to get in the office. You are both wearing masks. He sanitizes his hands probably 50 times a day. It's about as low risk as you can get. It's ok to be aware but it's about as sterile a setting you can be in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wloutet Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 22 hours ago, Sean Monahan said: The only thing I wonder about with the region-by-region approach is if (for example) the island opens up, will we see people from the VCH and FHA regions going there to enjoy the enhanced freedom and spreading the virus? Lift the drawbridges!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 15 hours ago, milk and honey said: Honest question as I take covid seriously but lots of people tell me covid only kills older people or people already sick. Do we know long terms effects? How would I respond to these people? I'm 99% positive I had it in late January/early Feb and I haven't had a healthy, normal day since. I've struggled with my lungs and with acid reflux every day since I was sick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Sharpshooter said: The health authority has given the police the ability to handout fines. It’s the law enforcement agency’s discretion whether or not to act in an informational manner or a punitive one. We’re seeing stepped up punitive ones recently around Metro Vancouver. ONLY in BC. - Masks are not mandatory... nice try though...... Edited November 4, 2020 by kingofsurrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: ONLY in BC. - Masks are not mandatory... nice try though...... They’re mandatory on public transit and Richmond has made them mandatory in their public buildings. I think public buildings may be one of the next things that get mandated province wide. Just a guess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Just now, Sharpshooter said: They’re mandatory on public transit and Richmond has made them mandatory in their public buildings. I think public buildings may be one of the next things that get mandated province wide. Just a guess. BC government is anti mask / anti science ..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Just now, kingofsurrey said: BC government is anti mask / anti science ..... Nope 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said: Nope Yup... While at least 33 kids and three teachers at Capella Dance Academy have tested positive for COVID-19, the outbreak was only reported by Fraser Health after 8 p.m. on Nov. 2. Capella’s owner, Sarah Wood, said she received her positive test result on Oct. 26, and was told by Fraser Health to wait for contact tracing to do anything else. While Wood proactively emailed her studio roster on Oct. 27 and shut down, Fraser Health would have been OK with her staying open. On Nov. 1, just before 10 p.m., parents of a dozen schools in Chilliwack (myself included) were sent letters stating there had been a confirmed case at their child’s school. But Fraser Health’s online school exposure list as of 9 a.m. on Nov. 3 had only one school listed, from Oct. 19. Finally, by 10:30 a.m. that day, it was updated but without dates of exposure. https://www.theprogress.com/opinion/opinion-fraser-health-dropping-the-ball-on-covid-19-communication/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 hour ago, stawns said: I'm 99% positive I had it in late January/early Feb and I haven't had a healthy, normal day since. I've struggled with my lungs and with acid reflux every day since I was sick. Can you get tested for antibodies? Just wondering if there is a way if you can confirm if you actually had it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 21 minutes ago, Shift-4 said: Can you get tested for antibodies? Just wondering if there is a way if you can confirm if you actually had it. no, they wouldn't, or couldn't, do an antibody test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldnews Posted November 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/2/2020 at 3:39 PM, kingofsurrey said: with our BC governments failure to lead.... we all knew deep down inside that this is where it would lead to.... Increased indoor winter socializing will put us over the top .... When i heard people were going door to door trick or treating during a pandemic.... i just shook my head. ? The provincial goverment has made mistakes, for sure - but "failing to lead" is absolutist / just pre-empts 'rational' discussion. It's one thing to be critical - in particular contexts - but your take is generalized to the point that it is meaningless - as if a more totalitarian approach to 'leadership' would have produced 'better' results. It's all 'relative' - unfortunately, there is worse leadership to 'compare' relative approaches to - we've been realtively fortunate to some extent in B.C (not just due to 'leadership'). I'm not a 'cheerleader' of the province's response - not by any stretch - however, at the same time, I'm 'thankful' that it's not as bad as many other places where your description is far more applicable. I am critical - but I'm also thankful. To start with the critical: 1) I think it was highly problematic that - at a time they were attempting to 'shame' youth into foregoing socializing (things youth are pretty compelled to do) / blame youth - they were simultaneously reopening bars and restaurants - highly contradictory messaging / and action. People can point to 'nuance' - ie that in reopening there were mitigating measures taken to minimize risk as much as possible - but the general message - of reopening high traffic/high risk venues where, for example, wearing a mask (while eating and drinking) is literally not possible - spoke for itself on a certain level. The reality is, however, that public health officials don't simply dictate policy - they are subject to inevitable economic and political compromises. 2) This province is also indistinguishable from the rest of the country - where our long-standing inadequate management of the 'seniors sector' of healthcare has resulted in the WORLD's WORST Covid record where outbreaks in homes/'facilities' are concerned. The sadder reality - is that is was entirely predictable - in fact was predicted/forewarned by many in the heathcare field - and it took a pandemic and many deaths - to those among the most vulnerable to this virus - to generate any awareness whatsover. We have required the Canadian military intervene in the the administration of senior's homes - so the realtity - and the 'embarassment' of it is something to get real about. 3) Calling an election in the midst of this 'second wave' imo was opportunist (typical politics-as-usual) and irresponsible. Relative to other parties - of course, they all act in their self-interest and other parties have/will do the same - but relative to the best interests of public safety and an already strained socieity in the midst of pandemic economy and health - it was self-serving and irresponsible imo. I have other less notable criticisms - ie of how long it took high traffic 'crown corporations' like BC Ferries to tighten up it's own mitigating measures - but I've restated enough of my criticisms already. But I'm also thankful of certain aspects of the management of this pandemic. First - while I'm critical of health officials' readiness in a practical sense - I'm thankful in general for the disposition and voice that has been utilized through this pandemic. I'm not a "fan" of Bonnie Henry - I find the whole celebrity thing a bit comical tbh - and there was plenty of problems - relatively unaddressed - that predated this pandemic that were left to emergency measures - and outbreaks...However, the calm, communicative, 'caring' = non-authoritarian = overall has been appropriate and relatively effective. It may have been a bit too polite (typically 'Canadian') - and lacking assertiveness - but the other extemes would be even worse imo. You might want a more law enforcement/executive approach, more heavy-handed lockdown approaches or particular people to be pounded into submission - but I think you cross the line into important values lost in the process - and I think your disposition - as if you have the perspective required to act on that kind of imperative - is at best pretentious, at worst inflammatory. Probably the most positive aspect of the handling of this pandemic - is that Canadians in general - whether left, right, or neither, liberal, conservative or neither - have managed not to 'politicize' every aspect of everyday life, down to the point where a mask is a 'cultural wars' key-trigger. That - is a failure of leadership - whereas here, there is borderline consensus that reasonable, relatively non-intrusive measures of protection and prevention - are not political issues - they are simple public health measures. There is plenty of politics taking place nevertheless, but the general dispostion - to attempt to remain calm, respectful - has for the most part characterized this country's handling of the pandemic - probably to an extent few of us ever would have imagined possible (given the political climate pre-dating and 'underlying' this pandemic. For that much I'm thankful - borderline 'proud' of this country's general response/'leadership' (particularly people like Doug Ford, who acted like 'grown-ups' as opposed to fuelling ideological divisiveness when it's least needed). It's actually possible to take children trick-or-treating - and do so reasonably safely. So while you shake your head, you make an assumption that everyone that does so is irresponsible. Many of them are just parents looking at their 'responsibility' to provide some kind of possible outlier as a means to maintaining the mental health of children. If children can be sent back to schools - certainly they can go social-distanced trick-or-treating. The irony for me is that the kind of mentality you are expressing - tends towards a "conservative" assumption about human nature - and the rather strange phenomena of the present - is that 'conservatives' are in general at the forefront of "liberal" responses to this pandemic. The contradictions are somewhat fascinating - as politics flip flop over ideological axes that become absurd. Anyway - not all people that took their children out - are "Covidiots" - in fact, judging by the numbers of people I saw out in my neighborhood - and the nevertheless very low amounts of proximity/exposure/risk (people devised lots of ways to avoid contact/exposure) - I'd say there were very few 'Covidiots' = many people that wanted and did manage to create some level of 'normalcy' for children - some fun - on what is supposed to be one of the funnest days of the year - did so in reasonable ways that balanced fun and safety. If it were up to people like yourself, you might believe locking down every aspect of private and social life is the 'answer' - but that's an over-reaction - and arguably a dangerous counter-over-reaction (ie let's avoid a reduction to a cofascist vs covidiot dynamic). Short of totalitarian reactions, realistically you cannot 'shame' everyone into compliance - at best you can work towards some kind of rational consensus as much as that is possible with humans.... Evidently in a context where the 'grown-ups' don't divide into two polar groups of ideological idiots - it's far more possible. What the province is doing imo is creating as much consensus as they are able to within the means of communicating, educating, encouraging, 'pressuring', and in rare instances, enforcement - of people to act responsibly. I can't agree with your take (in spite of having wanted a more rigorous response) - I think the province's imperfect approach nevertheless makes more sense than your belief in a more totalitarian response/expectation - and wadr, I doubt it, or 'shaming' would be very successful - would probably lead to an inverse result. In the end the reality is that being 'careful' is in everyone's best interest = but totalitarianism is not necessarily 'leadership' or the 'best' way to produce 'responsibility'. 2 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post oldnews Posted November 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/2/2020 at 4:01 PM, kingofsurrey said: These covidiots likely come from non funtionning families... They have not been taught right and wrong from their homes. Society needs to teach them. Hammer on one, and let the rest see what happens when you break the law. Just stop. You're making nothing but reactionary noise. Throw a bunch of self-righteous, blind shade at imaginary/assumptive "non-functioning families" / parents. And then "teach" their children with a "hammer". Brilliant "leadership" solution. 4 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, oldnews said: Just stop. You're making nothing but reactionary noise. Throw a bunch of self-righteous, blind shade at imaginary/assumptive "non-functioning families" / parents. And then "teach" their children with a "hammer". Brilliant "leadership" solution. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 These little authoritarians man. Such attitudes. I went to the school to pick something up and check out the gym because I wasn't sure if it was open and as soon as I walk in "Get out, I need you to leave, you aren't allowed here." I told him to chill out and put a &^@#ing sign up if you don't want people in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Coronavirus - Denmark plans to kill 15 million animals after a mutation spreads to humans Wed 4 Nov 2020 21:46:36 GMT Denmark's Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen wants to cull its mink population of (up to 17 million ). News via Reuters: Health authorities found virus strains in humans and in mink which showed decreased sensitivity against antibodies, potentially lowering the efficacy of future vaccines, Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 54 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: Coronavirus - Denmark plans to kill 15 million animals after a mutation spreads to humans Wed 4 Nov 2020 21:46:36 GMT Denmark's Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen wants to cull its mink population of (up to 17 million ). News via Reuters: Health authorities found virus strains in humans and in mink which showed decreased sensitivity against antibodies, potentially lowering the efficacy of future vaccines, Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said. Big sale on Danish fur coast upcoming.... ...should be on Amazon shortly.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skategal Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/canada-s-first-case-of-rare-swine-flu-variant-found-in-central-alberta-patient-1.5789440 2020 just won't quit! Alberta public health and agriculture officials are investigating after the first case in Canada of a rare swine flu variant was detected last month in a central Alberta patient. The case is only the 27th in the world since 2005, Chief Medical Officer of Health Dr. Deena Hinshaw said in a joint statement Wednesday with Dr. Keith Lehman, chief provincial veterinarian. "A confirmed case of variant Influenza A (H1N2)v has been detected in central Alberta," Hinshaw and Lehman said in the statement. "This currently appears to be one isolated case and there is no increased risk to Albertans at this time. This is the only influenza case reported in Alberta so far this flu season." At a news conference Wednesday, Hinshaw said the virus was detected in mid-October when a patient with influenza-like symptoms sought medical treatment at a hospital emergency department. "We are taking this seriously, as any human infection with a non-seasonal influenza virus needs to be followed up under our international obligations," she said. A sample collected from the patient was tested for influenza and for COVID-19 as part of a routine process, Hinshaw said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 US coronavirus update: 104,000 newly confirmed cases reported today Wed 4 Nov 2020 23:58:26 GMT Another grim milestone ticks over for USA 104k new cases over 1100 deaths for the day also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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