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4 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

But it makes it easier to weed them out and for them to be fined/charged/whatever.  

 

Strength in numbers.

 

Right now, with the hit and miss way this is being used, no one even knows where it's mandatory or not.  At least if non maskers flock to the stores that don't, others can avoid those stores.  

i agree with you, the restriction is good for mask wearers.

 

There is going to be no significant fines handed out though, we cant have our constable's time delegated to handing out fine's. If they come across a situation in thier regular duties, that's great. most likely the police force would turn down calls to enforce a fine, there is no time.

 

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3 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said:

i agree with you, the restriction is good for mask wearers.

 

There is going to be no significant fines handed out though, we cant have our constable's time delegated to handing out fine's. If they come across a situation in thier regular duties, that's great. most likely the police force would turn down calls to enforce a fine, there is no time.

 

There already are (for people who throw big parties, etc.).  

 

Better believe if someone's causing a stir in a store because they don't want to wear a mask, a phonecall to police can now at least be considered.  Reckless endangerment?  Right now, they know nothing CAN be done.  This is people's lives at stake here.  It's more important than shoplifting or seatbelt fines.

 

Ha...as I type this a news report about a $2300 fine for a 30 person poker party...no masks, no distancing.  So they can do it when there are clear guidelines (which, right now are just about gatherings).

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10 minutes ago, stawns said:

You don't think the top doctor in BC is qualified to give medical advice for that scenario?

maybe if she had all the info, but obviously she doesn't made clear by how she answered. It's not her job to offer one on one advice, sets too much precedence. 

 

Anways there is much better choices to ask than a doctor, like i mentioned earlier.

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4 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said:

maybe if she had all the info, but obviously she doesn't made clear by how she answered. It's not her job to offer one on one advice, sets too much precedence. 

 

Anways there is much better choices to ask than a doctor, like i mentioned earlier.

So we really don't need to see her on TV every day then, do we?  Pass the numbers to the news outlets and they can report them.

 

There are NO better people to ask during a public health crisis than....the Province's specialist in public health, epidemiology and preventive medicine.

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2 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

So we really don't need to see her on TV every day then, do we?  Pass the numbers to the news outlets and they can report them.

 

There are NO better people to ask during a public health crisis than....the Province's specialist in public health, epidemiology and preventive medicine.

This is a great post.  Some people would rather listen to Google than listen to actual professionals with advanced degrees and are considered subject matter experts.  Along my path I earned two master's degree, one doctorate, and now I am completing a second doctorate. I might not be the brightest crayon in the box, but I gave up eating crayons in Kindergarten.

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3 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

There already are (for people who throw big parties, etc.).  

 

Better believe if someone's causing a stir in a store because they don't want to wear a mask, a phonecall to police can now at least be considered.  Reckless endangerment?  Right now, they know nothing CAN be done.  This is people's lives at stake here.  It's more important than shoplifting or seatbelt fines.

 

Ha...as I type this a news report about a $2300 fine for a 30 person poker party...no masks, no distancing.  So they can do it when there are clear guidelines (which, right now are just about gatherings).

im all for that fine, it was very ignorant what those people did. And i think that is good use of police time, but there wont be any mask watching patrols by police. 

 

how the law works in reality, from what i saw. the first few days anti-masker's attempt to enforce thier will, store attendants fight back. the non masker puts up a small fuss, then leaves to find another store who doesnt enforce the law. not too many people stupid enough to stick around for a ticket, im out every day and still havent seen any tickets be handed out, they all whine then leave.

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23 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

So we really don't need to see her on TV every day then, do we?  Pass the numbers to the news outlets and they can report them.

 

There are NO better people to ask during a public health crisis than....the Province's specialist in public health, epidemiology and preventive medicine.

she is the one that makes recomendations and is a public figure, she  in no way, has the time to offer advice, one on one. she speaks publicy because it's her job. It would be silly not to do her job, might get her fired.

 

beside's a safety specialist will know better, its what they do.

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18 minutes ago, The Colt 45s said:

This is a great post.  Some people would rather listen to Google than listen to actual professionals with advanced degrees and are considered subject matter experts.  Along my path I earned two master's degree, one doctorate, and now I am completing a second doctorate. I might not be the brightest crayon in the box, but I gave up eating crayons in Kindergarten.

that was my point, ask a specialist in the subject, not a dang politician who is controlled by thier reccomendations. a safety specialist can even offer advice that would be more strict than public recommendations, and probably would too. 

if you ask a politician for advice, your wasting your time thinking you will get anything different than what they are preaching

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38 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

So we really don't need to see her on TV every day then, do we?  Pass the numbers to the news outlets and they can report them.

 

There are NO better people to ask during a public health crisis than....the Province's specialist in public health, epidemiology and preventive medicine.

lets not forget, that a big part of her job is being a politician. guarnteed there are better specialists in every one of these area's you speak of.

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6 hours ago, Petey_BOI said:

maybe if she had all the info, but obviously she doesn't made clear by how she answered. It's not her job to offer one on one advice, sets too much precedence. 

 

Anways there is much better choices to ask than a doctor, like i mentioned earlier.

Just how you respond to everything on this forum I could tell you were just another AlBortan...your province is doing such a great job under your amazing Premier afterall...Time to stop reading your garbage with my good friend Mr. Ignore!

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6 hours ago, debluvscanucks said:

 

That doesn’t dispute what I had written. There are mask mandates in the public and private sectors. 
 

Forcing a mask mandate across all aspects of BC isn’t going to work. Enforcing it would be impossible.

 

The South Asian and particularly the municipality of Surrey’ community leaders need to step up and start educating and informing. Right now, I don’t see or hear much out of them.

 

Surrey’s mayor needs to get bi-lingual  fliers out to every household if need be, and right now the needs require something like a big informational campaign. 

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7 hours ago, Petey_BOI said:

maybe if she had all the info, but obviously she doesn't made clear by how she answered. It's not her job to offer one on one advice, sets too much precedence. 

 

Anways there is much better choices to ask than a doctor, like i mentioned earlier.

She was one of the primary architects of the back to school plan.........if she's not capable of dispensing safety advice in a simple situation like that, why was the return to school plan based on her medical expertise?

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7 hours ago, Petey_BOI said:

that was my point, ask a specialist in the subject, not a dang politician who is controlled by thier reccomendations. a safety specialist can even offer advice that would be more strict than public recommendations, and probably would too. 

if you ask a politician for advice, your wasting your time thinking you will get anything different than what they are preaching

Do you know who the "safety specialists" are in a school?  One admin, one classroom teacher, one non-enrolling teacher (library, music, resource), and two cupe members.

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17 minutes ago, stawns said:

Do you know who the "safety specialists" are in a school?  One admin, one classroom teacher, one non-enrolling teacher (library, music, resource), and two cupe members.

And Bonnie Henry is definitely not a politician. 

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1 hour ago, Sharpshooter said:

That doesn’t dispute what I had written. There are mask mandates in the public and private sectors. 
 

Forcing a mask mandate across all aspects of BC isn’t going to work. Enforcing it would be impossible.

 

The South Asian and particularly the municipality of Surrey’ community leaders need to step up and start educating and informing. Right now, I don’t see or hear much out of them.

 

Surrey’s mayor needs to get bi-lingual  fliers out to every household if need be, and right now the needs require something like a big informational campaign. 

I believe they've been doing that for a long time, have they not?  I've seen many news reports about covid education in many languages on the south coast........it's not a matter of putting it out there, it's a matter of following it and if they won't follow it, mandate.

 

I don't buy the "it's impossible to enforce" argument..........it might be a pain the ass and tough to do, but it is doable and should be done.  Businesses should hire security to monitor people when they come in and flat out refuse to let people in without a mask.  If they cause a scene, phone the cops.  Is that a tough go for a lot of small business?  Of course, but not as painful as a shutdown would be with no business at all.

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- Have the Province hold a series of web meetings with various business/political/social leaders across the Province.

  Get everyone on the same page, social distancing, mask wearing, ect. 

 

- Take schools. Divide the classrooms by 3. One 1/3rd gets half a day online learning for those at risk or families with risk factors. 

  1/3 go in the morning. 1/3 go to class in the afternoon. Do this until Summer when it can be re-evaluated. 

 

When I was about 9 years old, we had a fire in one of the bigger central Richmond Junior high schools. (Some kid tried to burn the school down) 

So all the other junior high schools had to take their students while they rebuilt the school. That's how my brother and step brother had his junior high for two years. They would alternate mornings and afternoons. This way you are limiting exposure without resulting in too much higher expenses. 

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, debluvscanucks said:

Her idea was good at first....try to appeal to people to get them on board rather than come across as an authority figure TELLING them what to do.  Flies/honey/vinegar deal.

 

But some see that as weakness.  She's become a nagging mother who's being tuned out.  They take the "I do what I want" stance of defiance and rebellion.

 

She asked people to be kind but those kind of people just aren't.  They're self centred and arrogant and need some pushback.

^ yup. They make it about "freedom" and copy cat the US, or make it religious, or 5G, or whatever BS makes them feel good. 

 

Manitoba is now going to be hiring private security to help with compliance. Horgan needs to do something similar to help. He could also help cover the costs of additional security for retail stores that need help wth customer compliance. I'm not holding my breath he'll do that, but this is something he could do today. 

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1 hour ago, Sharpshooter said:

 

The South Asian and particularly the municipality of Surrey’ community leaders need to step up and start educating and informing. Right now, I don’t see or hear much out of them.

this one is bothersome. Its a sad joke that some people are pretending they don't know whats going on or that they simply need to wear a mask and keep their distance. There was a guy from Surrey on the news last week trying to claim the information being put out is too Anglo-centric :picard: if we're actually at this level of BS in Surrey we're never getting this thing back under control. 

 

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17 minutes ago, stawns said:

I believe they've been doing that for a long time, have they not?  I've seen many news reports about covid education in many languages on the south coast........it's not a matter of putting it out there, it's a matter of following it and if they won't follow it, mandate.

 

I don't buy the "it's impossible to enforce" argument..........it might be a pain the ass and tough to do, but it is doable and should be done.  Businesses should hire security to monitor people when they come in and flat out refuse to let people in without a mask.  If they cause a scene, phone the cops.  Is that a tough go for a lot of small business?  Of course, but not as painful as a shutdown would be with no business at all.

Exactly!

 

Right now they have no back up/enforcement and it will empower business owners (who won't be targeted for "their" decision if it's a Province ordered decision).  They're being asked to "decide" for themselves and being left high and dry as people challenge them.

 

People know (by now)....there are some who like to party and they won't be inconvenienced in it all.  From the accounts we're getting, it's transmission mostly in private groups who then take it elsewhere.  It's so irresponsible and selfish.

 

I'm losing patience in it all....I lost a job in March, have seen my kids a handful of times and we've all worn masks indoors for the brief interactions we have had.  My Dad is struggling and I'm terrified every time I go there (I have to, as his only caregiver).  I'm sick of the excuses...at this point, everyone needs to be on board and those who aren't need to be addressed.  We're all tired of this thing, it's frustrating when idiots won't comply as the rest of us make huge sacrifices.  

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