Coronavirus outbreak

[milk and honey]

14 hours ago, Sharpshooter said:

Why do you still trust social media? 
 

It’s a cesspool of misinformation. 
 

Seriously, have you ever been educated from social media by people who aren’t experts or based their opinions on their own thoughts?? 
 

FFS, people’s social media accounts are not the place to go to for actual and factual information. 
 

Stop doing that and don’t listen to them. Hell, don’t listen to most of the people here either unless they link something from a credible source or are trusted posters who have a history of proffering facts. 

I understand what you are saying. I don't go on social media to get informed. Just amazed that people have even suggested this 

[stawns]

3 minutes ago, milk and honey said:

I understand what you are saying. I don't go on social media to get informed. Just amazed that people have even suggested this 

There's plenty of credible information on social media sites

[JM_]

2 hours ago, skategal said:

Yeh, and we aren't even locked down.  We're being asked to keep our butts on the sofa for a few weeks.  If we were in a "lockdown" anyone out protesting would be fined or jailed.  I'm so tired of the selfish aholes who can't look beyond the 2 feet around them to see that they might actually be able to help someone else by doing what is asked of them.  Sadly if one of them gets hit by a car or trips and falls on a curb while protesting, they will expect space in the hospital for them to be treated, not recognizing the irony.  

same with the snowbirds getting their RVs trucked across the border so they can go to Florida during the 2nd pandemic wave. If they get sick I don't want 1 cent of my taxes going to help them. Enjoy covid in a US ER hallway.

[JM_]

Just now, stawns said:

There's plenty of credible information on social media sites

only if you're willing to look at it. 

[stawns]

1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

only if you're willing to look at it. 

And have the skills to determine credible sources from disinformation........skills many people seem to lack.

[JM_]

4 minutes ago, stawns said:

And have the skills to determine credible sources from disinformation........skills many people seem to lack.

everyone knows what to do, they now look for any excuse to do what they want. Social media and a peer group gives them that. But they know they're being stupid, its part of the enjoyment for them. 

[Fanuck]

On 11/20/2020 at 7:12 PM, Sharpshooter said:

 The vaccine has gone through all the normal vaccine trials, which is why it took so long. 

 

Yes and no is my understanding.

 

Apparently the manufacturers, by law, are jumping through the required hoops, but at the same time they are unquestionably fast-tracking development and have applied for emergency approval to use the vaccine which isn't, by definition, the normal way in which new vaccines get approved.   

 

Then theres the aspect that most of these types of vaccines take 2-3 full years of developing and monitoring control groups for negative side effects whereas this new vaccine would potentially be available after less than a year of development/trial.

 

https://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2020/11/20/a-long-way-from-lab-bench-to-bedside-virus-experts-urge-covid-19-vaccine-caution/#.X7qRMvd6o0F

 

I wouldn't say they're exactly following the normal trials if most take 2-3 years and this one would be approved in less than 12 months.

 

  I would be leery of using any vaccine for myself and my family which hadn't been rigorously trialled by the exact same methods of other vaccines which aren't expedited by nature of being under a pandemic and manufacturers seeing massive dollar signs.

[PlanB]

6 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

I would be leery of using any vaccine for myself and my family which hadn't been rigorously trialled by the exact same methods of other vaccines which aren't expedited by nature of being under a pandemic and manufacturers seeing massive dollar signs.

 

This is the worrisome part of that quoted article for me:

 

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Phase 3 trials, which involve large cohorts of up to 40,000 people, typically take two to three years. That's because adverse effects sometimes take a while to appear -- especially if they involve smaller groups within society. 

And they want approval for sale/distribution/public use in what, 10 or 11 months?  

[Chris12345]

13 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Haha I did that with Glenfiddich. 

[Chris12345]

13 hours ago, skategal said:

Saw the media coverage of crowds at Sky Harbour airport in Phoenix as they travel to wherever for US Thanksgiving.  

 

A friend of a friend left Edmonton this morning for PV, not planning on returning til April.  

 

The US is in an amazing pile of hurt that is going to get worse before it gets better.  

 

Snowbirds....I don't get it.  What happens if you get sick wherever you are?  Not sure what the coverage is for things like COVID.  

Well I'll play devils advict.

 

Edmonton for the winter is a tough go. If you get sick in a foreign country (which I have) the health care is generally good if not better than Canada. It's just a matter of writing a cheque.

 

And for the rest of us....go ahead snowbird all you want, have a great time! I just wouldn't allow you back in Canada for free health care if you get sick and you'd have to get vaccinated before re-entry.

[JM_]

17 minutes ago, Chris12345 said:

Well I'll play devils advict.

 

Edmonton for the winter is a tough go. If you get sick in a foreign country (which I have) the health care is generally good if not better than Canada. It's just a matter of writing a cheque.

 

And for the rest of us....go ahead snowbird all you want, have a great time! I just wouldn't allow you back in Canada for free health care if you get sick and you'd have to get vaccinated before re-entry.

normally, sure. But not now, when hospitals are literally at over capacity in some places. Just wait, there will be stores about people complaining about having to bear the cost to fly them back to Canada for treatment. Oh and my poor stranded RV. 

[Sharpshooter]

51 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

Yes and no is my understanding.

 

Apparently the manufacturers, by law, are jumping through the required hoops, but at the same time they are unquestionably fast-tracking development and have applied for emergency approval to use the vaccine which isn't, by definition, the normal way in which new vaccines get approved.   

 

Then theres the aspect that most of these types of vaccines take 2-3 full years of developing and monitoring control groups for negative side effects whereas this new vaccine would potentially be available after less than a year of development/trial.

 

https://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2020/11/20/a-long-way-from-lab-bench-to-bedside-virus-experts-urge-covid-19-vaccine-caution/#.X7qRMvd6o0F

 

I wouldn't say they're exactly following the normal trials if most take 2-3 years and this one would be approved in less than 12 months.

 

  I would be leery of using any vaccine for myself and my family which hadn't been rigorously trialled by the exact same methods of other vaccines which aren't expedited by nature of being under a pandemic and manufacturers seeing massive dollar signs.

I agree that there has been a speeding up of following patients versus the amount of time that was taken to observe them in the ‘before times’. 
 

However, the standard vaccine regulatory steps are still being met in the science behind the vaccine production. 
 

So, for most people that should lend some surety that the vaccine is safe. 

[StanleyCupOneDay]

There were 200,000 new cases in the US the other day, there’s no way you’re getting front of the line treatment if you’ve travelled there from Canada and get sick, even with a big cheque. Hospitals are already at or near capacity and their leaders are treating this as a partisan issue instead of a health crisis that effects everyone.

 

You couldn’t pay me enough money to go anywhere in the states, why some people not only are wanting to go, but are willing to actually pay in order to do so is beyond me. There better be a mandate for all who go to be in quarantine when/if they come back for at least two weeks or else we’re going to get massive outbreaks here too and I’m not going to lie, this worries me a lot.

[Chris12345]

1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

normally, sure. But not now, when hospitals are literally at over capacity in some places. Just wait, there will be stores about people complaining about having to bear the cost to fly them back to Canada for treatment. Oh and my poor stranded RV. 

Yea I agree you don't get to fly home for free. 

Edited November 22, 2020 by Chris12345

[kingofsurrey]

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Edited November 22, 2020 by kingofsurrey

[kingofsurrey]

UK - 5 days in xmas with relaxed covid regs...

 

 

The PM will also outline plans for a tougher three-tiered system for England - to be introduced at the end of the current lockdown on 2 December.

 

The 10pm closing time for pubs and restaurants could also be relaxed.

 

Three households could be allowed to meet up "over a number of days, maybe five days", according to the BBC's deputy political editor Vicki Young

[smithers joe]

we’ve cancelled christmas dinner and gathering at my brother in laws. so just three of us here for xmas. no biggy.

[J.I.A.H.N]

So, I was just thinking about those people that don't get it.........

 

If they just followed some of the basic rules, I would be fine with them

 

You can believe what you want as long as you abide by the rules

 

Because they are so simple.......

 

1. wear a mask while out in public, near other people

2. social distance somewhere between 6 and 8 feet

3. Wash your hands as often as possible after going out

4. Use hand disinfectant if not or where you can

5. Only one of your family in a store at one time

6. Don't pick up something unless you are going to buy it

7. keep your social gatherings small ( IMO 4 people)

 

None of these cost money, and they don't stop the economy, and they should not stop your socialization

 

I would also say that some of the decisions I have seen over the past year that make sense are........

 

1. close down the gyms

2. 1/2 the restaurants to eating in

3. have children wear masks in school

4. work space barriers (the plastic wall)

5. no work space gatherings over 4 people unless spacing is adequate 

6. stagger lunch and coffee breaks

7. no out of area travel except for health and supply trucks

8. reduce the amount of people in stores at one time

9. install tap feature to all debit machines

10. encourage businesses to install automatic door openers where

11. fine people for breaking simple rules of pandemic

12. Work from home if possible

 

Again these rules do not stop economics, and nor social norms, they just ensure common sense

 

The rationale is much the same as a speeder on the highway...........yes, most drive cautiously and do not have accidents, but one out of a 100o have a catastrophic accident that causes injury and death, so society does not allow it and put laws in place to control it. Just common sense really

 

To me, it is a choice between .........some small inconveniences       or       death and taxes, and even larger inconveniences   

 

To me, I can not understand why some can not see that ????????????????? 

[kingofsurrey]

3 minutes ago, smithers joe said:

we’ve cancelled christmas dinner and gathering at my brother in laws. so just three of us here for xmas. no biggy.

Yah..  restaurants and bars open -  cheerleading and gymnastics open.... arena open for hockey... cinemas open....  Mall packed yesterday..

 

But you can NOT  have xmas day with your Brother in law.....   

 

BC's covid restrictions make zero sense.   That is why everyone tuned out Dr B's nagging months ago.....

Edited November 22, 2020 by kingofsurrey

[Gurn]

33 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Yah..  restaurants and bars open -  cheerleading and gymnastics open.... arena open for hockey... cinemas open....  Mall packed yesterday..

 

But you can NOT  have xmas day with your Brother in law...

So, how big is your, or your brother in law's house, compared to the mall?