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The Oxford vaccine is far cheaper, easier to produce, and can be stored in a fridge, unlike the other vaccines.  The UK already has 4 million doses ready to go.  

 

Interim data suggests 70% protection, but the researchers say the figure may be as high as 90% by tweaking the dose.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55040635

Covid-19: Oxford University vaccine is highly effective

By James Gallagher

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4 hours ago, kingofsurrey said:

Both my rec ice hockey teams are back playing next week.

 

10 players per room sounds a bit riskier than my brother over by himself and social distancing at my house . 

 

Not sure how BC covid restrictions were drawn up. Maybe Dr. B wrote them up at a bar.... LOL >..

 

I guess i  have to go a crowded bar to meet my brother....   This is hard to understand....

 

And yet you blamed the NDP... lol. Leave politics out this one bud.

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7 minutes ago, IRR said:

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Very well put together / said, but at the end of the day, no matter how new / hard this is.....i feel it's not hard to be unselfish / follow some basic rules and if some people weren't so f'n selfish, entitled, ignorant, we could have done much better!!! 

Agreed.

It's not hard to listen to the experts and do your part. 

Unfortunately, we have this internet to provide conformation bias for those that you describe. 

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25 minutes ago, IRR said:

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Very well put together / said, but at the end of the day, no matter how new / hard this is.....i feel it's not hard to be unselfish / follow some basic rules and if some people weren't so f'n selfish, entitled, ignorant, we could have done much better!!! 

I don't even know that it's "selfish" for some....more narcissistic and ego getting in the way.  They have something to prove.  They're "bigger" than all of this and we're all the fools for being fearful.  It's like they think their stupidity is bravery and they have no self awareness.   Their acts are valiant in their eyes because they are going to stand strong and show everyone.  Defiance is their mask....as they go down with the sinking ship.  When everyone else is scrambling to help people put on life preservers, they laugh in the face of danger and won't put one on and would rather take others down to prove their point.  How.....ridiculous these fools are...seeing people in the news acting like asshats when the rest of us are uniting together to do what we can. 

 

I don't think they should get any news coverage because they are trying to send a message.  Stop the messenger (service).  

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29 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

Agreed.

It's not hard to listen to the experts and do your part. 

Unfortunately, we have this internet to provide conformation bias for those that you describe. 

Unfortunately, it is just as powerful at informing (the good) as misinforming (the bad).

 

Once we get this whole pandemic thing sorted out, we should really do something about that ^^^ problem.

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28 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

I don't even know that it's "selfish" for some....more narcissistic and ego getting in the way.  They have something to prove.  They're "bigger" than all of this and we're all the fools for being fearful.  It's like they think their stupidity is bravery and they have no self awareness.   Their acts are valiant in their eyes because they are going to stand strong and show everyone.  Defiance is their mask....as they go down with the sinking ship.  When everyone else is scrambling to help people put on life preservers, they laugh in the face of danger and won't put one on and would rather take others down to prove their point.  How.....ridiculous these fools are...seeing people in the news acting like asshats when the rest of us are uniting together to do what we can. 

 

I don't think they should get any news coverage because they are trying to send a message.  Stop the messenger (service).  

Very well said!! This was said on the said on the radio the other day..."i'm so tired of people being willingly stupid and selish and wearing it like a badge". I think that statement pretty much sums it up! 

 

I just keep putting these peoples feet to the fire and i've def delete a few people off FB. 

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23 minutes ago, IRR said:

Re: post above...

 

Very well put together / said, but at the end of the day, no matter how new / hard this is.....i feel it's not hard to be unselfish / follow some basic rules and if some people weren't so f'n selfish, entitled, ignorant, we could have done much better!!! 


Also a valid point and one I agree with! It’s not hard to put on a mask, wash your hands and try to limit in person contact as much as possible. Beyond that though it’s a grey world. No one agrees on what does and doesn’t help/hurt the disease outbreak because of just how unheard of and complex a crisis this is that we currently face. Ask is x safe and you can find a point of view you support depending on who you get your information from.
 

It’s hard to expect all people to take any crisis seriously, many ignore orders during disaster, but even harder when it’s something that’s completely new to everyone and invisible with no agreed upon guidelines for what is and isn’t safe. I wasn’t really trying to make any particular point with my post other then the fact we all have unrealistic expectations of x (x could be politicians, people, scientists, businesses, health experts, take your pick) while giving context and visual imagery to the current global crisis.

 

Your sentiment is true for every disaster, there’s always room for improvement and again I agree with you we could have done better in this situation. Many more lives could have been saved. It could have been much worse too. Imagine 100% noncompliance in a world  where you can get to any country in a day with tens of millions of people traveling at any one time. Hundreds of millions dead, maybe more.
 

I’m grateful for how many people will get a chance to live a full life and saddened for those who unfairly don’t.

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6 minutes ago, StanleyCupOneDay said:


Also a valid point and one I agree with! It’s not hard to put on a mask, wash your hands and try to limit in person contact as much as possible. Beyond that though it’s a grey world. No one agrees on what does and doesn’t help/hurt the disease outbreak because of just how unheard of and complex a crisis this is that we currently face. Ask is x safe and you can find a point of view you support depending on who you get your information from.
 

It’s hard to expect all people to take any crisis seriously, many ignore orders during disaster, but even harder when it’s something that’s completely new to everyone and invisible with no agreed upon guidelines for what is and isn’t safe. I wasn’t really trying to make any particular point with my post other then the fact we all have unrealistic expectations of x (x could be politicians, people, scientists, businesses, health experts, take your pick) while giving context and visual imagery to the current global crisis.

 

Your sentiment is true for every disaster, there’s always room for improvement and again I agree with you we could have done better in this situation. Many more lives could have been saved. It could have been much worse too. Imagine 100% noncompliance in a world  where you can get to any country in a day with tens of millions of people traveling at any one time. Hundreds of millions dead, maybe more.
 

I’m grateful for how many people will get a chance to live a full life and saddened for those who unfairly don’t.

Totally agree! There's these two sides to it and you're spot on. It's sad that people don't think about other peoples lives when doing something that's selfish (as we've seen). Maybe we need to see a little more happy medium at bare minimum...a little more merging of these two...a little logic / common sense may (?) help guide us through some of the grey areas. But, as you said, it could be much worse and there will be loses no matter what, which is sad! 

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6 hours ago, StanleyCupOneDay said:

I’m going to re-up what I said a few pages ago because I think people’s perspectives/expectations need adjusting. 
 

No one currently breathing on this planet has ever lived through and dealt with a deadly disease outbreak of this scale. Let that sink in for a moment: Billions of people on the planet, none to consult on their expertise. No one has the past lived experience either to say “I remember when x happened, no way I’m not taking precautions this time” or “my aunt died in x by doing this, so we won’t do that.”

but even with that, the US e.g., had a pandemic playbook ready to go that Trump threw out the window. South Korea also showed us all how it could be handled properly. 

 

Sure none of us had any personal experience, but the knowledge of what needed to happen did exist. 

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6 hours ago, StanleyCupOneDay said:

I’m going to re-up what I said a few pages ago because I think people’s perspectives/expectations need adjusting. 
 

No one currently breathing on this planet has ever lived through and dealt with a deadly disease outbreak of this scale. Let that sink in for a moment: Billions of people on the planet, none to consult on their expertise. No one has the past lived experience either to say “I remember when x happened, no way I’m not taking precautions this time” or “my aunt died in x by doing this, so we won’t do that.”

 

What we are doing now is the equivalent of trying to put a meteorologist in charge of hurricane preparations and recovery. They have the expertise and the mechanics of how the disaster is created and works/moves, but little in the area of effective management to mitigate the damage caused by it. That’s the best option we have right now, but it’s obviously not a very good one in an ideal scenario.
 

The last time something like COVID-19 occurred was all the way back in 1917 from the Spanish Flu in a society that wasn’t globally intertwined and a far cry from how we live now. In 1917 in the US:


- 6% graduated high school

- Only 23% could read

- No flights existed, travel took days/months by boat

- 8% of people had landlines

- Getting around day to day was mostly by horse and carriage

 

To name only a few differences.

 

1/3rd of the world or 500 million people were infected and 50 million were killed globally. As we sit now after almost a year since the original outbreak there’s been 60 million cases and 1.4 million deaths on a planet of 7.5 billion people. That’s a remarkable improvement, hundreds of millions of lives have likely been saved due to our collective actions.

 

In times of crisis it’s about saving as much as possible. Every managed disaster could have been worse and could have been better, there’s no perfect answer when crisis comes, even less of one when it effects the entire world at the exact same time straining the same limited resources. Some managers do a better job then others obviously, but all at least have access to knowledge. Hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, earthquakes, volcanoes, droughts, forest fires, blizzards, I could list forever every type of disaster in which we have experienced people to rely upon to investigate/mitigate/manage the problem/s after the threat passes.

 

We currently have a crisis that is the worst of both worlds. The threat isn’t going to pass quickly, it’s long term so we can’t work on recovery, disaster fatigue sets in and we have no one’s experience to lean on for how things should/shouldn’t be managed. We are all flying blind. Even at the best of times during a disaster there’s confusion, mistakes, refusals to adhere to safety precautions and opinions from elected leaders/scientists to the people. Now imagine the disaster effecting the entire planet. Now imagine the threat being invisible. In a social media obsessed society this only exacerbates our problems.

 

Or put another more succinct way have you ever heard of someone who sees a tornado on the ground nearby or hears a tornado warning siren that doesn’t immediately get their families to the basement/shelter to hunker down until the threat passes? That’s easy to do. Would they do that for a whole day? week? month? longer? Most will go outside as time passes regardless of the potential danger. Now imagine asking people to do that for 8 months (and counting) for a threat that no one is able to see. It’s beyond human capacity for our ancestral hardwired brains fight or flight mentality to effectively handle the danger because we can’t do either.

 

Taking the situation all together we’re doing well. Could be better, could be worse, some countries doing worse/better then others, but given the changes to society over the last century, the infection number and death toll speaks to how most leaders/experts/businesses/people across the planet are taking this disease outbreak seriously.

 

The hard truth is people are going to die, people are going to lose their businesses, people are going to lose their jobs, this is the sad inevitable pain felt by people in every disaster. It’s not ok, one life, business and/or job lost is worth mourning. I wish it weren’t the case, but this is the reality. Mistakes will be made, solutions will be created and we will try to limit the damage as much as possible. Expecting anything else given our current unique situation is setting yourself up for disappointment throughout this long term global health epidemic.

that's not entirely true, there have been plenty of outbreaks and epidemics in African nations and a near epidemic of ebola in the US, aids in the US etc etc.  The experts in infectious diseases, like Fauci, have experience and we should listen to them

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2 minutes ago, stawns said:

that's not entirely true, there have been plenty of outbreaks and epidemics in African nations and a near epidemic of ebola in the US, aids in the US etc etc.  The experts in infectious diseases, like Fauci, have experience and we should listen to them


I think you misread what I wrote.

 

No one currently breathing on this planet has ever lived through and dealt with a deadly disease outbreak of this scale.

 

Absolutely we should listen to the guidance given by disease experts like Fauci, never said anything contrary to that.

 

 

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Just now, StanleyCupOneDay said:


I think you misread what I wrote.

 

No one currently breathing on this planet has ever lived through and dealt with a deadly disease outbreak of this scale.

 

Absolutely we should listen to the guidance given by disease experts like Fauci, never said anything contrary to that.

 

 

fair point

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25 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

but even with that, the US e.g., had a pandemic playbook ready to go that Trump threw out the window. South Korea also showed us all how it could be handled properly. 

 

Sure none of us had any personal experience, but the knowledge of what needed to happen did exist. 

 

South Korea like most Asian countries had the past experience of being hit extremely hard by the Spanish Flu and implemented changes in societal behavior that allowed them to better handle the current disease outbreak. Past negative experience creating changes leading to a better outcome the next time. This is how we’ve learned and improved upon our responses during disasters. We don’t have that luxury here.

 

The US is obviously one of those countries I categorize as has handled this worse.

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18 minutes ago, StanleyCupOneDay said:

 

South Korea like most Asian countries had the past experience of being hit extremely hard by the Spanish Flu and implemented changes in societal behavior that allowed them to better handle the current disease outbreak. Past negative experience creating changes leading to a better outcome the next time. This is how we’ve learned and improved upon our responses during disasters. We don’t have that luxury here.

 

The US is obviously one of those countries I categorize as has handled this worse.

Yeah but those countries don't have freedom like the USA does. Don't tread on me.

 

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11 minutes ago, Sean Monahan said:

Yeah but those countries don't have freedom like the USA does. Don't tread on me.

 

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Their walls are built of cannonballs, their motto is don't tread on me
 

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I can't find it now, but I believe a study in England was done on possible DNA effects of this covid 19 virus,

 

It looked like it was compromising DNA and reducing expected life spans by 15+% and that is why the elderly are dying at such a high rate, an exception was for elders with an active Methuselah gene, their life spans were suspected to not be adversely affected, most of those elderly that recover quickly have an active gene.

 

Other effects that can still be found are;

Reduced lung function and lung damage

Heart damage

Increased arthritis type occurrences

Extreme chronic fatigue

Liver damage. No more drinking.

 

Certainly these would reduce life spans

 

And there is lots of speculation with regards to longer term effects in younger people

 

It was probably just some quack

 

 

 

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