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6 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

I think people are missing that there are options/different paths that are taken that result in where we end up.  The formulas have different results:

 

1.  Limit outings to essential only + don't do in person social gatherings in groups + wear masks + social distance + wash hands and sanitize surfaces = probably could keep numbers down and businesses operating.  We can have "some thing", just not "everything".

 

2.  Shortcut for impatient people.  Ignore the guidelines + go out and gather in groups + drop your guard to stand like idiots on Granville going YEEHA without masks on X go home, hug your Grandparents = find out someone had COVID and now others that have been exposed will also get it.  Numbers go up, businesses close down.  We get less than if we'd done #1.

 

It's the people who try to fast track things that keep setting us back.  If we all "hold the line" (I've come to hate that term...I want to kick anyone crossing over it but that's not kind) then the long term forecast gets better.

 

The harsh measures only come when people don't do what they need to in order to contain this a little better.  

 

Selfish people who are over it.  But we're not so we can thank them for that.

 

 

Think with our current numbers... we are well past the time of trying to just follow a few basic covid guidelines....

The only option now is a  reset / pause.    That is bad news for some businesses.... but unfortunately is the best way forward. 

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1 minute ago, janisahockeynut said:

KOS

 

Let us just pretend for a minute

 

Let's pretend that you are a  anti-mask person

 

And you infect your parents by visiting them

 

Who is at fault? You or the government?

 

Just answer the friggin question..............you or the Government?

Both of us.

 

Me for not following current science and not protecting my parent.

The government for not promoting mask use the last 6 months...

 

Hope this clears things up for you.

 

PS - I am 100% pro mask and have been since covid started. I  acknowledge that covid was airborn probably 4 months before Dr. B finally admitted it. 

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1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said:

Both of us.

 

Me for not following current science and not protecting my parent.

The government for not promoting mask use the last 6 months...

 

Hope this clears things up for you.

 

PS - I am 100% pro mask and have been since covid started. I  acknowledge that covid was airborn probably 4 months before Dr. B finally admitted it. 

I don't know buds

Science has given me everything I need to know, to avoid the Covid the best that I can, but I do make personal decisions that may not be exactly what science says

 

Therefore, I don't blame the G for anything.......my safety protocols  are my safe protocols

 

All based on science, I actually don't need the G to tell me what to do, just provide me with the info

 

I think they do

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53 minutes ago, stawns said:

we're putting restrictions in place precisely so schools and essential services can continue.  I don't disagree that some of them are puzzling, but we have to trust they are using data in their decisions.......gatheriings atre restricted because that's where most of the transmissions are, where people gather and don't use masks, don't social distance, drink, laugh and yell etc.

 

Gyms, dance studios etc don't use masks and are breathing heavily etc

And here lies my problem. If transmission is such an issue why are schools not only open, but don’t require masks?  Do children just naturally excel at social distancing, hand washing and general sanitizing that I didn’t know about. Also why are gyms still open?  Are they somehow “essential”. I don’t question that the people in charge are a lot smarter than with regards to this virus and would like to point out I am following the rules but am starting to understand those who don’t. When rules don’t make sense it’s harder to get behind them. 

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53 minutes ago, stawns said:

we're putting restrictions in place precisely so schools and essential services can continue.  I don't disagree that some of them are puzzling, but we have to trust they are using data in their decisions.......gatheriings atre restricted because that's where most of the transmissions are, where people gather and don't use masks, don't social distance, drink, laugh and yell etc.

 

Gyms, dance studios etc don't use masks and are breathing heavily etc

And here lies my problem. If transmission is such an issue why are schools not only open, but don’t require masks?  Do children just naturally excel at social distancing, hand washing and general sanitizing that I didn’t know about. Also why are gyms still open?  Are they somehow “essential”. I don’t question that the people in charge are a lot smarter than me with regards to this virus and would like to point out I am following the rules but am starting to understand those who don’t. When rules don’t make sense it’s harder to get behind them. 

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38 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

I don't know buds

Science has given me everything I need to know, to avoid the Covid the best that I can, but I do make personal decisions that may not be exactly what science says

 

Therefore, I don't blame the G for anything.......my safety protocols  are my safe protocols

 

All based on science, I actually don't need the G to tell me what to do, just provide me with the info

 

I think they do

Great that you are willing to put in the effort to think science and accept scientific norms.

 

However, there are far too many people who won't do something unless it's mandated by the government or required by law.  That's what kos is getting at, and why my wife is so upset at the Chief PHOs of both the federal government and the province - because of their refusal to accept the science that Asia has already confirmed and exercises, such as wearing masks and restricting travel (enforcing quarantine for new arrivals).

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1 hour ago, kingofsurrey said:

Not if we do a circuit break now like Alberta schools are doing...   It is the only way to get covid back under control.

Dr. B's. half measures will not work.  We need a pause. 

Alberta are the ones who have done half measures for a long time. 
 

They have the highest rate of infection than any other province. 
 

Public mask mandates in BC are in place and fines have been codified to allow officers to enforce. 
 

BC is still doing better than Alberta. 
 

The reason their Grades 7-12 have moved to online learning is because they’ve literally done the least in handling the second wave. 
 

Get a grip. 

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20 minutes ago, Amebushi said:

And here lies my problem. If transmission is such an issue why are schools not only open, but don’t require masks?  Do children just naturally excel at social distancing, hand washing and general sanitizing that I didn’t know about. Also why are gyms still open?  Are they somehow “essential”. I don’t question that the people in charge are a lot smarter than with regards to this virus and would like to point out I am following the rules but am starting to understand those who don’t. When rules don’t make sense it’s harder to get behind them. 

Schools are NOT the source of major transmission. 
 

It’s the stuff outside of schools. Like family gatherings as one example. 

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1 minute ago, Sharpshooter said:

Alberta are the ones who have done half measures for a long time. 
 

They have the highest rate of infection than any other province. 
 

Public mask mandates in BC are in place and fines have been codified to allow officers to enforce. 
 

BC is still doing better than Alberta. 
 

The reason their Grades 7-12 have moved to online learning is because they’ve literally done the least in handling the second wave. 
 

Get a grip. 

Alberta had mask mandates in Calgary and Edmonton months before BC had any...

 

Have you ever even been out of BC.....    You need to get out more and learn more about Canada... maybe wait till after covid though.. LOL. 

 

PS - I used to live in Edmonton...  great city.  great people. 

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1 minute ago, Sharpshooter said:

Schools are NOT the source of major transmission. 
 

It’s the stuff outside of schools. Like family gatherings as one example. 

Yah, i have a bridge to sell you......

 

You really think kids don't get colds, flu  either.... wow...  you wanna buy a bridge.. ?

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8 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

Great that you are willing to put in the effort to think science and accept scientific norms.

 

However, there are far too many people who won't do something unless it's mandated by the government or required by law.  That's what kos is getting at, and why my wife is so upset at the Chief PHOs of both the federal government and the province - because of their refusal to accept the science that Asia has already confirmed and exercises, such as wearing masks and restricting travel (enforcing quarantine for new arrivals).

BC has instituted mandatory masks in public spaces/transit. Many BC businesses have instituted mandatory mask in their establishments, BC has ordered restrictions in travel. BC has shut down many places of business that are high risk for transmission. BC has codified fines for gatherings that contravene the health orders of private gatherings. 
 

At the end of the day, it comes down to personal responsibility!

 

All the ‘freedom fighters’ out there are literally asking/tempting for draconian style state overreach. Many who are the same ones that criticize the govt for impeding their ‘rights’.  It’s &^@#ing insane how the uneducated and ignorant are literally killing us. It’s not the govt. 

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7 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Alberta had mask mandates in Calgary and Edmonton months before BC had any...

 

Have you ever even been out of BC.....    You need to get out more and learn more about Canada... maybe wait till after covid though.. LOL. 

 

PS - I used to live in Edmonton...  great city.  great people. 

Yet they have higher Covid numbers than BC. Their mask mandates didn’t do sweet f all since they have more cases than BC. 
 

Yes, I’ve been out of BC. I’ve been to more places around the world, and Canada, than most. 
 

I’ve also been to Edmonton, and it’s nothing to write home about. Maybe that’s why you “used” to live in Edmonton. 

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Dr. B cracks me up....    Virus's don't differentiate between a mall and a school.......     

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Masks are not recommended for children under the age of two, but should be encouraged for children aged two to 12 in public settings. Children over 12 must wear a mask in a public indoor space, unless they are exempt.

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11 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Yah, i have a bridge to sell you......

 

You really think kids don't get colds, flu  either.... wow...  you wanna buy a bridge.. ?

Is the bridge connected to your basement? 
 

If so, no thanks. I’d rather cross the River Styx

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Are women less valued as  humans / workers than men ? Is that why women as less protected.....?

 

Dave Harper @southgateharper
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Of course it is because teachers are 75 % women. All the trades are better protected than teachers with a @WorkSafeBC mandate backing them up. Teachers get schmarmy platitudes. twitter.com/MovingParadigm…
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Funny how we don't expect school kids to wear masks, when some are doing so already...........the G does not say you can't......do they?

 

This reminded me of a story I read about a African village..................

 

The address below. tells a similar story, about the lack of expectations we  place on our children...........

 

Its a quick read.....

 

Go Ahead, Give Your Toddler A Kitchen Knife : The Salt : NPR

 

Just a small point...........in KOS favor

 

 

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