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6 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

it is typically 10s of thousands not hundreds.

There is typically a flu vaccine so that we can create herd immunity without having to sacrifice hundreds of thousands.

Most of your above statements are woefully full of mis-information.

There is no use arguing with someone who has made up their minds damn the facts so I won't argue all these individual points.

Part of the problem with good public health measures is that it requires a sense of community and doing what is good for the group.  Some people just can not build that sense of community and only think of what it may mean to themselves and you have demonstrated a great example of this.

Very nice.

So actually it is hundreds of thousands every year: https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=208914

So looks like you're the one spreading misinformation.

I am looking out for my community because I don't want to see people living in fear which is associated with lowering ones immune system: https://www.simplypsychology.org/stress-immune.html#:~:text=When we're stressed%2C the,lowers the number of lymphocytes).

But no sense in arguing with someone that has made up their mind and is ignoring the facts, right?

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12 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

Why is Alberta pulling their 7-12 to home schooling? They must have some numbers that have them thinking about school transmission concerns?

 

Putting on my conspiracy hat...

 

Maybe they want that to not pay overhead costs for operating a school.  Maybe reduce amount of teachers in AB.

 

Cuz AB is looking financially bad.  Didn't they lay off a whole bunch from the health sector?  This may be a cost saving solution to them.

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10 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

Herd Immunity Is Not a Strategy

What the term actually means, and what it doesn’t

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/herd-immunity-is-not-a-strategy/615967/

Forman: Right. And by the way, there’s never been a real case of herd immunity through infection.

Wells: For any disease ever?

Forman: Correct. In fact, the term itself didn’t arise until just a few decades ago, when we had vaccination programs....

Oh but I thought the vaccine was a strategy to build herd immunity?

Very confusing.

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1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

do you know how many actual cases? 

I don't

I know Island health has increased a bunch in the last few weeks but I don't think they release much more info than numbers.

The schools are listed as 'exposures' and they are popping up quickly. 

https://www.islandhealth.ca/learn-about-health/covid-19/exposures-schools

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3 minutes ago, BPA said:

Putting on my conspiracy hat...

 

Maybe they want that to not pay overhead costs for operating a school.  Maybe reduce amount of teachers in AB.

 

Cuz AB is looking financially bad.  Didn't they lay off a whole bunch from the health sector?  This may be a cost saving solution to them.

Maybe but you'd think they would realise pulling kids from school would hurt their economy worse than the cost cutting measures...

 

Edit; but the current politicians may not care in the short term

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2 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

Maybe but you'd think they would realise pulling kids from school would hurt their economy worse than the cost cutting measures...

You're assuming they are bright.

 

Lol.

:P

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8 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

Herd Immunity Is Not a Strategy

What the term actually means, and what it doesn’t

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/herd-immunity-is-not-a-strategy/615967/

Forman: Right. And by the way, there’s never been a real case of herd immunity through infection.

Wells: For any disease ever?

Forman: Correct. In fact, the term itself didn’t arise until just a few decades ago, when we had vaccination programs....

I think there was support for “herd immunity” for chicken pox before it’s vaccine came into widespread use: parents would have chickenpox parties to infect all the children at once and get the outbreak over with.  I think the idea was to infect all the children at the ages when the disease was least dangerous.  There is some point where a disease’s mortality rate makes this a losing strategy though...and it is much lower than Covid’s.  
 

Varicella case fatality rates are highest among adults (30 deaths/100,000 cases), followed by infants under 1 year of age (7 deaths/100,000 cases) and then those aged 1 to 19 years (1-1.5 deaths/100,000 cases)

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26 minutes ago, Tystick said:

Actually people die from the flu every year.

It's very similar in that one's immune system is compromised, results in pneumonia, and unfortunately die on a ventilator.

I never said it was the flu, simply stated that strains are different and that's why you catch multiple colds each year.

That said, if you focus on proper nutrition and different methods to strengthen your immune system, you can potentially never get sick.

I fast, eat as good as possible, and exercise, I haven't been sick in years.

Please don't do that because it's not JUST about nutrition.  

 

Yes, you can boost your immune system to HELP protect yourself...but don't kid yourself, you can't ward this off completely by eating right and taking supplements.  Or everyone would.

 

It's sort of a slap in the face to those who've died...some in very good shape by the way...to suggest this could be prevented.  We can help do things to reduce the risk and even to help our chance of recovery, but this type of thinking is the dangerous misinformation that's spreading this thing.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

sure but don't you think others you come into contact with may have actual health concerns? its not all about you. 

If you are at risk, but you need to go out, you should choose to wear a medical mask to protect yourself, and other than that you should choose to isolate in your house.

If we are open, we have more resources to help those that are at risk.

We should have been funding therapeutics months ago that have proven to be effective, and making those widely available to the ones that need them the most.

Take our time with the vaccine.

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1 minute ago, Coda said:

I think there was support for “herd immunity” for chicken pox before it’s vaccine came into widespread use: parents would have chickenpox parties to infect all the children at once and get the outbreak over with.  I think the idea was to infect all the children at the ages when the disease was least dangerous.  There is some point where a disease’s mortality rate makes this a losing strategy though...and it is much lower than Covid’s.  
 

Varicella case fatality rates are highest among adults (30 deaths/100,000 cases), followed by infants under 1 year of age (7 deaths/100,000 cases) and then those aged 1 to 19 years (1-1.5 deaths/100,000 cases)

So you're saying putting kids at risk is not a new thing?

 

But again, even Chicken Pox did not achieve naturally occurring herd immunity. 

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8 minutes ago, Tystick said:

Very nice.

So actually it is hundreds of thousands every year: https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=208914

So looks like you're the one spreading misinformation.

I am looking out for my community because I don't want to see people living in fear which is associated with lowering ones immune system: https://www.simplypsychology.org/stress-immune.html#:~:text=When we're stressed%2C the,lowers the number of lymphocytes).

But no sense in arguing with someone that has made up their mind and is ignoring the facts, right?

You're not looking out for your community, who should fear this (to some degree).  Not "live in fear" but also not fool themselves through suggestions that somehow a protein shake is all it takes.

 

Millions of people are dying.  If you have the remedy to that, put it out there (quick) so people stop dying.

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3 minutes ago, Tystick said:

If you are at risk, but you need to go out, you should choose to wear a medical mask to protect yourself, and other than that you should choose to isolate in your house.

If we are open, we have more resources to help those that are at risk.

We should have been funding therapeutics months ago that have proven to be effective, and making those widely available to the ones that need them the most.

Take our time with the vaccine.

what if you're a senior and need people to come in and help you?

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3 minutes ago, Tystick said:

So I can't gain natural immunity with my immune system? I MUST take a vaccine?
What's the science behind that?

You can't "prevent getting" COVID by just being healthy.

 

A good immune system can help FIGHT it.

 

Don't get me wrong...it's a great idea to focus there.  But it's not a way to assure you won't contract COVID...it's a tool to help you if you do.

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1 minute ago, debluvscanucks said:

Please don't do that because it's not JUST about nutrition.  

 

Yes, you can boost your immune system to HELP protect yourself...but don't kid yourself, you can't ward this off completely by eating right and taking supplements.  Or everyone would.

 

It's sort of a slap in the face to those who've died...some in very good shape by the way...to suggest this could be prevented.  We can help do things to reduce the risk and even to help our chance of recovery, but this type of thinking is the dangerous misinformation that's spreading this thing.

 

 

It's not misinformation to advocate for a healthy lifestyle and there's no such thing as dangerous information.
If anything, that type of thinking is dangerous because we should be discussing everything and stop pointing fingers and attacking each other.

Thinking critically and learning from each other is how we defeat this, not censoring information or labeling information as dangerous.

Look into the COVID-19 death statistics, they had on average 2.5+ serious illnesses and an average age beyond life expectancy.

COVID-19 can be deadly to those with a compromised immune system, that's what we know. That's how we should be strategizing.

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Are universities doing enough to stop student spread of COVID-19?

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/halifax-covid-cases-rise-edward-street-party-university-1.5815663

 

As COVID-19 cases continue to climb in Nova Scotia's central region, and with most of the new cases in the 18 to 35 age range, many are wondering about the role of universities in making sure students are following the Public Health guidelines.

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4 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

You're not looking out for your community, who should fear this (to some degree).  Not "live in fear" but also not fool themselves through suggestions that somehow a protein shake is all it takes.

 

Millions of people are dying.  If you have the remedy to that, put it out there (quick) so people stop dying.

You're the one that said supplements and protein shakes, not me.

Proper nutrition, proper exercise, Vitamin C and D. Fasting is also extremely good for your immune system.

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