Jump to content
The Official Site of the Vancouver Canucks
Canucks Community

Coronavirus outbreak


Recommended Posts

Just now, Tystick said:

Yeah I'm just looking out for myself when I advocate that people should celebrate a healthy lifestyle and build their immune system.

Very dangerous misinformation.

We should simply stay locked down until everyone is vaccinated with a rushed vaccine, killing all small business, and risking a global depression

That's definitely the best strategy here, there's definitely no other way to handle this without looking out only for myself.

ok, I'll bite and stay open minded, can you provide some credible scientific sources to back that up?

  • Hydration 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Tystick said:

Yeah I'm just looking out for myself when I advocate that people should celebrate a healthy lifestyle and build their immune system.

Very dangerous misinformation.

We should simply stay locked down until everyone is vaccinated with a rushed vaccine, killing all small business, and risking a global depression

That's definitely the best strategy here, there's definitely no other way to handle this without looking out only for myself.

Quit making this all or nothing in a dramatic fashion.

 

The best strategy is:  listen to the experts and follow the guidelines WHILE taking care of self and boosting our immune systems as much as possible.  Not just the latter.

 

We're not locked down.  And in the event we are, it's a short term thing.  Yes...businesses will be killed....so will people.  Sadly.

  • Hydration 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

Just as in physical "strength", there are things available to help build mental "strength" as well.  Not to overcome serious chemical imbalance or things that require therapy and doctor assisted treatment...but in helping prevent depression that comes with isolation.

 

Part of that is changing that mindset:  just as you would in fitness with a "just do it" attitude....when you're stuck in isolation and feeling empty you can focus on the positive.   Rather than have the imprint on your brain that "I can't"...you focus on the things "you can" do.  Being "stuck at home"  even PROVIDES opportunity to focus on self, with no distractions.  I am getting more fit through the forced actions of limiting social and other outings...this extra time is beneficial in being able to exercise and prepare good meals for myself.  My life before COVID was hectic HELL.  Get up, rush to work, work until dark, grab something to eat on the way home because I was exhausted,  get in at 7-8 (again, tired as hell), watch TV then crash.

 

Life is what you make it.  

 

We can "see" people through video chats and other measures.  Walks outside are encouraged.  So your negative spin is just that.  Sure, we have to modify our lives at the moment but that's a good asset...to be adaptable.  Body strength is only one kind of "strength" and we can work through this thing with a number of helpful strategies....yours being ONE of them.  But not THE only way.

 

Lockdowns are temporary and it's important to remind ourselves there will be light at the end of the tunnel.  It's not forever.  Death, however, is.

How many more lockdowns? I don't think anyone knows, because it looks like we're going to experience a spike every winter season.

I was primarily talking about seniors in care homes who are feeling suicidal because not only are they in a care home, but now they can't go out or see family and friends.

I care about that, because the answer to that would be removing the lockdown, and all I'm saying is maybe there's better way to handle this, but those ideas are either censored or labelled dangerous misinformation, and I get called selfish by the experts on here. All I'm calling for is a larger discussion, but apparently that's frowned upon.

  • Burr 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
16 minutes ago, stawns said:

picture your grandmother, alone in a hospital room drowning in her own fluids, with no contact with any loved ones all because some guy standing beside her figured his immune system was strong enough to fight it off, so why wear a mask, why social distance?

OK, now for a real scenario. Imagine not being able to visit your otherwise “spry” grandmother when she decides to kill herself rather than be locked down again. 
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/national/health/2020/11/19/1_5197140.html

I get the need to protect people, but there is a point where it’s going to far. I for one would rather accept some risk (not fighting over masks, sanitizing etc) close some non essential things as needed but will fight for my right to see my family. Too far in either direction is simply wrong. 

  • Upvote 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
27 minutes ago, stawns said:

how can you live next door to the US and even think something so ridiculous?  

 

Mental health issues can be treated, covid cannot and you can't spread mental health issues just by being around other people.  Other peoples lives literally depend on you not being a colossal dick

I'm a colossal dick? How kind of you.

Mental health issues can be treated? Is that why depression and anxiety are rampant and a problem within everyone's life?

I didn't realize these issues were so incredibly easy to treat. I'm sure those seniors will be fine then. 

I'm so glad I have experts like you to make ridiculous claims and attack me, it's so reassuring.

Edited by Tystick
Link to post
Share on other sites
21 minutes ago, stawns said:

picture your grandmother, alone in a hospital room drowning in her own fluids, with no contact with any loved ones all because some guy standing beside her figured his immune system was strong enough to fight it off, so why wear a mask, why social distance?

What a great way to frame things for those seniors.

Sorry seniors, you're going to have to stay in isolation with no human contact, we'll treat your suicidal feelings eventually, because otherwise you're going to 100% get a violent pneumonic reaction and die.

Make sure you watch lots of CNN, never question what you are told, and DON'T work towards strengthening your immune system, that's dangerous misinformation.

 

Okay I think I got it guys. Makes sense.

Link to post
Share on other sites
48 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

So you're saying putting kids at risk is not a new thing?

 

But again, even Chicken Pox did not achieve naturally occurring herd immunity. 

Not really “putting children at risk”, more like trying to get their kids to catch chickenpox when the danger to them was minimal instead of in adulthood.  It was almost a vaccination technique before there was a vaccine.  And you’re right, it didn’t achieve herd immunity for the entire population, but did reduce the risk to the population as a whole.   
 

Obviously it’s not a comparable to Covid, as it’s a brand new disease with a much higher mortality rate and none of the population immune to it.  

  • Hydration 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

No, you're being called out for claims that are untrue.  Everyone here is open to "sharing information" and ideas, even if we don't agree on them.

 

It's dangerous to state things like:

You're making statements like they're fact but they're your...guesses opinion only.

 

You are capable of contracting COVID and passing it to others...no matter HOW healthy/fit you are.  And we all should be protecting not only self, but each other by taking the necessary precautions as laid out.  

 

What seniors homes did you conduct your survey in, I'm curious?   

 

Yes, it's horrible and some people will become depressed.  And, for some, even suicidal....it's a worldwide pandemic and there's not avoiding the seriousness in that.  Even if you feel that by ignoring it somehow we will.

 

 

So from what I've read, the vaccine potentially has a 70-95% efficacy rate, my point was my odds of immunity are still better if I catch it (according to the stats).
Building immunity means your body has defeated the virus and you can't get the same strain again. That's consistent with viral infections. How is that wrong?
I trust that I will defeat it since it is very much like a bad flu, with a potential loss of taste and smell. Look up covid19 testimonials.

Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

No, you're being called out for claims that are untrue.  Everyone here is open to "sharing information" and ideas, even if we don't agree on them.

 

It's dangerous to state things like:

You're making statements like they're fact but they're your...guesses opinion only.

 

You are capable of contracting COVID and passing it to others...no matter HOW healthy/fit you are.  And we all should be protecting not only self, but each other by taking the necessary precautions as laid out.  

 

What seniors homes did you conduct your survey in, I'm curious?   

 

Yes, it's horrible and some people will become depressed.  And, for some, even suicidal....it's a worldwide pandemic and there's no avoiding the seriousness and sadness in that.  Even if you feel that by ignoring it somehow we will.  That's called burying your head in the sand.

 

 

I can’t help but think his head is elsewhere. 

  • Hydration 1
  • Haha 1
  • Vintage 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Tystick said:

So from what I've read, the vaccine potentially has a 70-95% efficacy rate, my point was my odds of immunity are still better if I catch it (according to the stats).
Building immunity means your body has defeated the virus and you can't get the same strain again. That's consistent with viral infections. How is that wrong?
I trust that I will defeat it since it is very much like a bad flu, with a potential loss of taste and smell. Look up covid19 testimonials.

From the CDC (lol not this one):

Quote

Cases of reinfection with COVID-19 have been reported

 

  • Hydration 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Tystick said:

since it is very much like a bad flu, with a potential loss of taste and smell. Look up covid19 testimonials.

Oh, a few long term possible implications that you forgot to add.  And don't discount the loss of taste and smell...it's a big loss.  My Dad lost his years ago in an accident.

  • Cardiovascular: inflammation of the heart muscle
  • Respiratory: lung function abnormalities
  • Renal: acute kidney injury
  • Dermatologic: rash, hair loss
  • Neurological: smell and taste problems, sleep issues, difficulty with concentration, memory problems
  • Psychiatric: depression, anxiety, changes in mood
  • Hydration 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Tystick said:

Cases of reinfection with COVID-19 have been reported, but remain rare.

 

fixed.

Point being:  they do happen.  Unlike the misinformation you've posted.

 

"Rare" isn't "can't"

 

Quote

Building immunity means your body has defeated the virus and you can't get the same strain again. 

 

  • Hydration 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Tystick said:

First line, first link:

Quote

Whether the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic influences suicide rates in older adults is not yet known.

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, debluvscanucks said:

Point being:  they do happen.  Unlike the misinformation you've posted.

Did you post misinformation? Or perhaps other posters on here? 

I've corrected people many times, I don't claim that what they were spreading was dangerous. It's a discussion.

I've also sourced my statements more than others have on here as well.


This seems more like I'm being attacked for not having the correct opinion.

  • Hydration 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

The second link also has some pertinent information:

Quote

At first, a doctor denied Russell’s application, but over time, “more concrete medical health” issues developed, her daughter said, and she succeeded in securing a doctor to carry out her wish. She died October 20.

 Yes, it's terribly tragic.  Isolation wasn't something she wanted to face, however, she was also very ill and at 90, likely made the decision to give up with that likely also factoring in.  Sadly, my Dad had said something similar awhile ago...that if he had to go through any more pain/procedures, he was going to pass on them.  People do give up.

 

She got to make that choice....for some, who will be subjected to COVID because others feel like they're immune from it and could be carrying it, they may not.

  • Hydration 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • SNuck locked and unlocked this topic
  • SNuck featured and pinned this topic
  • SNuck unfeatured this topic

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...