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16 minutes ago, Tortorella's Rant said:

It's hardly asinine to reject an injection of something that came off the assembly line in record time, in mass quantity, that hasn't been used beyond test trials. If people wish to wait a year or two because there is still doubt or suspicion or hesitation or to never get it then that is entirely within their right of course. 

sure. But if you choose that path, then you'd better keep wearing a mask and properly social distancing. And also don't be surprised if you are refused entry into places like certain hospital wards or long term care. 

 

you're rights don't include risking my life. 

 

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33 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

sure. But if you choose that path, then you'd better keep wearing a mask and properly social distancing. And also don't be surprised if you are refused entry into places like certain hospital wards or long term care. 

 

you're rights don't include risking my life. 

 

They always have before...last time I checked none of the other vaccines are required by law, enforced in any way or causes restrictions to people. I fall into that middle ground. I’m not oppose to vaccinations, however I haven’t been able to find any information regarding long term side effects, particularly in regards to interactions with other drugs I need to take to ... you know, live. If you have the vaccine and it is effective then my choice to hold off a bit would not endanger you at all. Those with medical issues who can’t take it will be at greater risk due to the lower herd immunity but those vaccinated should be protected if it is effective. Why is it such an issue for others to disagree with lining up immediately for this. Even if I had no objections I wouldn’t want it right away. It will take time to get it to everyone...get the elderly, high risk, caregivers, front line workers and people who just plain want it first. What’s the big deal if some of us aren’t in a hurry to be a lab rat?  I’m sure I’ll get it, like every other vaccine except the flu shot that doesn’t work anyway, in what possible way does that risk your life once you’re vaccinated?

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2 minutes ago, Amebushi said:

They always have before...last time I checked none of the other vaccines are required by law, enforced in any way or causes restrictions to people. I fall into that middle ground. I’m not oppose to vaccinations, however I haven’t been able to find any information regarding long term side effects, particularly in regards to interactions with other drugs I need to take to ... you know, live. If you have the vaccine and it is effective then my choice to hold off a bit would not endanger you at all. Those with medical issues who can’t take it will be at greater risk due to the lower herd immunity but those vaccinated should be protected if it is effective. Why is it such an issue for others to disagree with lining up immediately for this. Even if I had no objections I wouldn’t want it right away. It will take time to get it to everyone...get the elderly, high risk, caregivers, front line workers and people who just plain want it first. What’s the big deal if some of us aren’t in a hurry to be a lab rat?  I’m sure I’ll get it, like every other vaccine except the flu shot that doesn’t work anyway, in what possible way does that risk your life once you’re vaccinated?

but it is required. E.g., if you work for a health authority you need to take the flu vaccine. 

 

You have the right to wait. But that doesn't mean you then also have the right to go where you want to. 

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1 hour ago, Tortorella's Rant said:

It's hardly asinine to reject an injection of something that came off the assembly line in record time, in mass quantity, that hasn't been used beyond test trials. If people wish to wait a year or two because there is still doubt or suspicion or hesitation or to never get it then that is entirely within their right of course. 

global pandemic arises which is killing all the world economies as well as hundreds of thousands of people, scientists work tirelessly to get a vaccine manufactured which is effective and deemed safe by scientists in their trials, begin to roll it out and some say, "nay, I'm good, I'll wait till my Facebook groups say it is ok to take" :picard:

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Bit risky?  

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/7497303/coronavirus-b-c-family-posts-ad-exposure-covid-19/

 

In what can only be called bewildering, it appears that a B.C. family is requesting to be exposed to COVID-19.

Last week, an online ad appeared on a classified advertising website in the small interior city of Revelstoke.

“We are a healthy family and we would like to safely expose ourselves to the virus, to help build our natural immunity,” the ad said.

“We can house you for a night or however long it takes, and will provide all of your meals.”

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7 minutes ago, skategal said:

Bit risky?  

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/7497303/coronavirus-b-c-family-posts-ad-exposure-covid-19/

 

In what can only be called bewildering, it appears that a B.C. family is requesting to be exposed to COVID-19.

Last week, an online ad appeared on a classified advertising website in the small interior city of Revelstoke.

“We are a healthy family and we would like to safely expose ourselves to the virus, to help build our natural immunity,” the ad said.

“We can house you for a night or however long it takes, and will provide all of your meals.”

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Now there is a Darwin Award in the making. 

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Starting to get tired of Dr. Bonnie Henry's message.

These numbers that they offer up apparently are not vetted first. Week after week numbers are added days after calculations, I don't know if it is to keep from panicking the public and preventing hoarding or some other agenda to allow the virus into the public while managing the hospitals.

 

Contrary information that they almost seem to miss, the media too, like the gargle test for kids in school, BC trots this out as a method of testing kids to clear them going to school, then other media states this test is not cleared by Health Canada because it is unreliable , but nothing about this test is mentioned in the same breath as schools now.

 

So Dr. Henry says the gargle test is okay for kids but not for seniors because it is not reliable

 

It appears that BC is doing 50 to 60% fewer people for tests, she says they do 12,000 tests per day, but some of those are the same people every day and positive tested get done 3 times, so the reality is they are not really performing that many tests.

That said if the number of positives is accurate and they are not testing that many people, the infection rate is much much higher, maybe as much a 5 times higher.

 

Personally I had someone cough close to my face on March 23, 10:30 AM in Burnaby Costco, I felt a little off the morning of March 29, by 1:00PM I dropped to the floor, short breaths and it hurt, coughing up a little blood, dizzy, no taste but my fever was only 100 F. Now I don't know what I had, I thought maybe severe strep throat, anyway for the first time in my life I phoned an ambulance, I had to phone twice because they didn't want to come until I got worse, that took about two hours.


They refused to test me, REFUSED because I didn't know someone that had Covid or was an International traveler. And refused to take me to the hospital because my fever was not high enough. They did say to call them when I couldn't breathe anymore,?????

 

I am losing faith in what they are saying.

 

First it isn't airborne, it is aerosolized (airborne) tiny droplets, so you don;t need masks, now it is airborne and masks are a first line defence.

ANY IDIOT should know.aerosols are droplets in the air, just drive by a sanitation treatment plant, that smell is droplets in the air.

Wash your hands, the virus lives on cardboard, plastic, metal, wood for days but not clothing or food, really? Where is the advice to wash your clothes after going out? Or make sure you wipe down your groceries at the least? 


And now the vaccine. Trudeau says 10 mil by September starting in January. The estimate or hope is the vaccine provides immunity for 6 months.

 

I am sorry but isn't it 9 months between January and September? Does that make it possible that those first three months would be ineffective come September?

 

Simple math here 10 million tests divided by 9 months = 1.111 per month. So 3 months could equal 3.3 million people becoming susceptible to the virus again with an additional 1.12 million every month.

If the goal is Herd immunity then 70% of the population need to be vaccinated within 4 months or around 8 virus life spans to be on the safe side.

 

Another interesting item astro surfed now, possible DNA damage which could reduce lifespans by up to 15% and that is why the elderly are hit so hard, it is hitting particular DNA strands and in old folk those strands have "worn" down, think of it like a ruler, kids are at 1 inch or 1 cm, 80 yrs plus are at 11 3/4 inches or 9.5 cm, near the end, kids just have more to give up without immediate catastrophic effects, just a shortened life span.

I did read something about those rare people that have an active Methuselah gene not affected and even being improved, about 0.005% of the population

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11 minutes ago, skategal said:

Bit risky?  

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/7497303/coronavirus-b-c-family-posts-ad-exposure-covid-19/

 

In what can only be called bewildering, it appears that a B.C. family is requesting to be exposed to COVID-19.

Last week, an online ad appeared on a classified advertising website in the small interior city of Revelstoke.

“We are a healthy family and we would like to safely expose ourselves to the virus, to help build our natural immunity,” the ad said.

“We can house you for a night or however long it takes, and will provide all of your meals.”

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Now there is a Darwin Award in the making. 

This is how immunity was passed on in centuries passed, expose to chicken pox to avoid small pox.

 

You don't think this is happening here, now? Controlled exposures?

 

It might be a good idea especially if someone gets sick while the hospitals have enough of everything to take care of someone.

 

Wait and it could get like some places in Alberta, TRIAGE, what a horrible thing to make doctors do, decide on who lives and who dies. Live with that decsion

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17 minutes ago, Stelar said:

global pandemic arises which is killing all the world economies as well as hundreds of thousands of people, scientists work tirelessly to get a vaccine manufactured which is effective and deemed safe by scientists in their trials, begin to roll it out and some say, "nay, I'm good, I'll wait till my Facebook groups say it is ok to take" :picard:

I agree

 

Like the shut down, they need enough people vaccinated all at once to get to herd immunity. Hopefully the vaccine last longer than 6 months otherwise this will be a never ending 2 plus years of surges.

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47 minutes ago, skategal said:

Bit risky?  

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/7497303/coronavirus-b-c-family-posts-ad-exposure-covid-19/

 

In what can only be called bewildering, it appears that a B.C. family is requesting to be exposed to COVID-19.

Last week, an online ad appeared on a classified advertising website in the small interior city of Revelstoke.

“We are a healthy family and we would like to safely expose ourselves to the virus, to help build our natural immunity,” the ad said.

“We can house you for a night or however long it takes, and will provide all of your meals.”

Article continues on with copy of actual post

I responded to that ad actually

 

I informed that while not infected with the covid virus, I would be happy to spit on them for the price fo $20 per person to ensure they are familiar with salivary transmission.

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8 minutes ago, stawns said:

in centuries past when people lived the ripe old age of 46 because disease and bacteria ran unimpeded?  Those were good times

Hey!  Some of us over 46 can still make a contribution!

 

 

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1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

but it is required. E.g., if you work for a health authority you need to take the flu vaccine. 

 

You have the right to wait. But that doesn't mean you then also have the right to go where you want to. 

No problem from me, I don’t work at the health authority and don’t mind restrictions such as the ones you have listed. I’m hoping they don’t limit things like concerts and travel (as they have not required any of the currently existing vaccines before...polio doesn’t sound a lot better than covid) but if they do I’m willing to accept that until I feel comfortable taking it. I think a lot of people complaining about their rights haven’t considered the rights of others. For example I absolutely have every right to not wear a mask...I just can’t shop anywhere as the stores have a right to refuse service to anyone not wearing a mask. I will always believe in my right to choose what goes into my body and what doesn’t but your correct that every choice come with consequences 

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5 hours ago, HKSR said:

As a whole country? No.  But if vaccines are issued to the elderly and those that need it most first, 2021 will look a lot brighter than 2020.

Agreed.  By prioritizing groups to get the vaccine first, the initial doses Canada receives in the first quarter next year will address a large number of the elderly and high risk people.  So deaths and hospitalizations will decline pretty significantly soon.  Even if new cases continue to stay high through winter.  Hopefully by June, daily covid deaths should be single digits for Canada.  

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3 hours ago, Lazurus said:

Starting to get tired of Dr. Bonnie Henry's message.

These numbers that they offer up apparently are not vetted first. Week after week numbers are added days after calculations, I don't know if it is to keep from panicking the public and preventing hoarding or some other agenda to allow the virus into the public while managing the hospitals.

 

Contrary information that they almost seem to miss, the media too, like the gargle test for kids in school, BC trots this out as a method of testing kids to clear them going to school, then other media states this test is not cleared by Health Canada because it is unreliable , but nothing about this test is mentioned in the same breath as schools now.

 

So Dr. Henry says the gargle test is okay for kids but not for seniors because it is not reliable

 

It appears that BC is doing 50 to 60% fewer people for tests, she says they do 12,000 tests per day, but some of those are the same people every day and positive tested get done 3 times, so the reality is they are not really performing that many tests.

That said if the number of positives is accurate and they are not testing that many people, the infection rate is much much higher, maybe as much a 5 times higher.

 

Personally I had someone cough close to my face on March 23, 10:30 AM in Burnaby Costco, I felt a little off the morning of March 29, by 1:00PM I dropped to the floor, short breaths and it hurt, coughing up a little blood, dizzy, no taste but my fever was only 100 F. Now I don't know what I had, I thought maybe severe strep throat, anyway for the first time in my life I phoned an ambulance, I had to phone twice because they didn't want to come until I got worse, that took about two hours.


They refused to test me, REFUSED because I didn't know someone that had Covid or was an International traveler. And refused to take me to the hospital because my fever was not high enough. They did say to call them when I couldn't breathe anymore,?????

 

I am losing faith in what they are saying.

 

First it isn't airborne, it is aerosolized (airborne) tiny droplets, so you don;t need masks, now it is airborne and masks are a first line defence.

ANY IDIOT should know.aerosols are droplets in the air, just drive by a sanitation treatment plant, that smell is droplets in the air.

Wash your hands, the virus lives on cardboard, plastic, metal, wood for days but not clothing or food, really? Where is the advice to wash your clothes after going out? Or make sure you wipe down your groceries at the least? 


And now the vaccine. Trudeau says 10 mil by September starting in January. The estimate or hope is the vaccine provides immunity for 6 months.

 

I am sorry but isn't it 9 months between January and September? Does that make it possible that those first three months would be ineffective come September?

 

Simple math here 10 million tests divided by 9 months = 1.111 per month. So 3 months could equal 3.3 million people becoming susceptible to the virus again with an additional 1.12 million every month.

If the goal is Herd immunity then 70% of the population need to be vaccinated within 4 months or around 8 virus life spans to be on the safe side.

 

Another interesting item astro surfed now, possible DNA damage which could reduce lifespans by up to 15% and that is why the elderly are hit so hard, it is hitting particular DNA strands and in old folk those strands have "worn" down, think of it like a ruler, kids are at 1 inch or 1 cm, 80 yrs plus are at 11 3/4 inches or 9.5 cm, near the end, kids just have more to give up without immediate catastrophic effects, just a shortened life span.

I did read something about those rare people that have an active Methuselah gene not affected and even being improved, about 0.005% of the population

It is very disheartening when you realize how we all in BC have been misled by our own government.    

 

I wonder why we don't  relocate seniors from care facilities and house them in BC schools since covid can not be spread in a school.  Such an easy solution. 

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