Coronavirus outbreak

[Jaimito]

28 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

USA set another record for number of new cases in a day with 218,000+.

A new record every day. Here in NYC, we are seeing upward trends in hospitalization. At peak during the spring, just my hospital system alone had over 2000 covid patients admitted.  We lost over 20 staff due to the virus. It dropped to 20-30 patients admitted in June and was stable until last month.  Now we are over 90 and rising daily.  Thanksgiving was just last week, so we except even more rapid increase in the coming weeks, then Xmas. The peak is likely in mid Jan.  It will be a slaughter. 

 

Other states are doing far worse, with many hospitals at capacity already. 

 

We will likely get vaccines in mid Dec, including myself, but it won't change the direction yet due to low # of doses available and it can't save those already infected.  Expect deaths over 3000 a day soon in the US.  I won't hesitate taking the vaccine. I looked at the phase I and II data, and these mRNA vaccines are pretty safe.  My in laws are in the at risk group.  Although they are republicans, they listen to me and are being careful not to get infected. They probably won't get it until Jan - Mar.  

 

 

 

Edited December 4, 2020 by Jaimito

[kingofsurrey]

BC Parents for Safer Schools. @BCParentsVoices.  1h

 

105 children tested positive over the last 24 hours. Must be all those dance classes still open #bced #bcpoli #covid19bc #StepUpOrStepDownDBH

 

 

 

David Walsh @DavidWa59907969 

 4h

Of the 694 new #covid19 cases in BC, 62 were in children age 10-19 and 43 were in children under age 10. 105 children or 15.1% of new cases. But don't worry, these 105 children didn't contract the virus in a school. Maybe dance class. #bced #bcpoli

[Mackcanuck]

Pfizer already cutting production numbers!

 

 

[-Vintage Canuck-]

Another way to look at the number of deaths in BC:

 

 

[UnkNuk]

This may have already been discussed in this group, but this is kind of a weird story that throws the Covid 19 timeline out of whack:

 

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20201115/covid_19_circulated_in_italy_earlier_than_thought

 

The novel coronavirus was circulating in Italy as early as September 2019, according to a new study by the country’s national cancer institute, which looked for the virus in blood samples in Milan.

 

That means the coronavirus may have spread beyond China months earlier than scientists originally believed, according to Reuters.

 

According to the study, Italy’s first documented COVID-19 patient was on Feb. 21 in a small town near Milan. However, the researchers knew the virus was likely circulating before that, so they analyzed blood samples of people enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 to March 2020.

 

They found COVID-19 antibodies in 111 of 959 people, or nearly 12%. About 14% of the positive blood samples were drawn in September, with a cluster of cases (about 30% of the positives) popping up during the second week of February.

 

“This study shows an unexpected very early circulation of SARS-CoV-2 among asymptomatic individuals in Italy several months before the first patient was identified,” the authors wrote. “Finding SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in asymptomatic people before the COVID-19 outbreak in Italy may reshape the history of pandemic.”

 

The World Health Organization said Monday that it would contact the researchers and review the results, Reuters reported. The organization may further analyze samples and verify the data, and the Italian researchers plan to continue their work as well.

 

If the initial history of the pandemic shifts, public health officials may need to consider new screening tools to test people who don’t have COVID-19 symptoms. Better screening could contain future waves of the pandemic and asymptomatic spread, the authors wrote.

 

“The new coronavirus can circulate among the population for a long time and with a low rate of lethality, not because it is disappearing, only to surge again,” Giovanni Apolone, one of the co-authors, told Reuters.

 

 

[DeNiro]

1 hour ago, Mackcanuck said:

Pfizer already cutting production numbers!

 

 

There were always going to be hiccups along the way.

 

This kind of rapid mass production has never been done.

 

Moderna and Astrazenaca will have their own hurdles Im sure.

[J.I.A.H.N]

Wouldn't it be something if all those that did not take the Covid Vaccine, just like disappeared, because of long term effects that were unknown.........

[Russ]

7 hours ago, UnkNuk said:

This may have already been discussed in this group, but this is kind of a weird story that throws the Covid 19 timeline out of whack:

 

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20201115/covid_19_circulated_in_italy_earlier_than_thought

 

The novel coronavirus was circulating in Italy as early as September 2019, according to a new study by the country’s national cancer institute, which looked for the virus in blood samples in Milan.

 

That means the coronavirus may have spread beyond China months earlier than scientists originally believed, according to Reuters.

 

According to the study, Italy’s first documented COVID-19 patient was on Feb. 21 in a small town near Milan. However, the researchers knew the virus was likely circulating before that, so they analyzed blood samples of people enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 to March 2020.

 

They found COVID-19 antibodies in 111 of 959 people, or nearly 12%. About 14% of the positive blood samples were drawn in September, with a cluster of cases (about 30% of the positives) popping up during the second week of February.

 

“This study shows an unexpected very early circulation of SARS-CoV-2 among asymptomatic individuals in Italy several months before the first patient was identified,” the authors wrote. “Finding SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in asymptomatic people before the COVID-19 outbreak in Italy may reshape the history of pandemic.”

 

The World Health Organization said Monday that it would contact the researchers and review the results, Reuters reported. The organization may further analyze samples and verify the data, and the Italian researchers plan to continue their work as well.

 

If the initial history of the pandemic shifts, public health officials may need to consider new screening tools to test people who don’t have COVID-19 symptoms. Better screening could contain future waves of the pandemic and asymptomatic spread, the authors wrote.

 

“The new coronavirus can circulate among the population for a long time and with a low rate of lethality, not because it is disappearing, only to surge again,” Giovanni Apolone, one of the co-authors, told Reuters.

 

 

I have always wondered how long it has been around.  It didn't suddenly op out of no where but it must have been festering for a while.  Wonder how many of those people had bad symptoms before and doctors didn't know why?  Or could they just have thought they had a general cold?  Not a surprise for Italy, the fact they have a chinese factory there that many people from Wuhan would fly to was their biggest culprit. 

[stawns]

15 hours ago, BoKnows said:

Hopefully in 10 days these vaccines get approved and we can start administrating them ASAP.  Feels like there's light at the end of tunnel

We've still got 8 months or so of restricted living

[-DLC-]

9 minutes ago, stawns said:

We've still got 8 months or so of restricted living

My worry is that once people are vaccinated they'll feel that they can just go right back to how they were.  Have a false sense of "we're good now" that really will be over time as this is proven to be effective.  And it seems we may need multiple doses so...it's a process.

 

I hope this virus has taught us to keep some of the measures in place indefinitely....the part where we crowd one another in stores, line ups, etc. in particular.  I wouldn't mind maintaining this personal space deal as that part has been kind of nice.  Except when it comes to family and friends...I sure miss hugs.  I've warned them to be ready that, when it is perfectly safe, they're all getting massive, long hugs.

[JM_]

7 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

My worry is that once people are vaccinated they'll feel that they can just go right back to how they were.  Have a false sense of "we're good now" that really will be over time as this is proven to be effective.  And it seems we may need multiple doses so...it's a process.

 

I hope this virus has taught us to keep some of the measures in place indefinitely....the part where we crowd one another in stores, line ups, etc. in particular.  I wouldn't mind maintaining this personal space deal as that part has been kind of nice.  Except when it comes to family and friends...I sure miss hugs.  I've warned them to be ready that, when it is perfectly safe, they're all getting massive, long hugs.

sadly I think its taught us we have too high a percentage of people that don't care. 

 

We have so many people trying to get it right, and then a bunch of goofballs go to AB for an old timers game, or some group gathers for some religious entitlement thing, etc. Thats the problem we need to solve, vaccines we can do. 

[JM_]

7 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

Wouldn't it be something if all those that did not take the Covid Vaccine, just like disappeared, because of long term effects that were unknown.........

 

it is certainly a concern what might be lurking down the road from this. No one saw shingles coming as a consequence 40 years after you got chicken pox, e.g. 

 

Something to think about when people are weighing the risks of a new vaccine. You actually don't know the long term consequences of covid yet. Might be decades before you do. 

[Tortorella's Rant]

20 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

no, it isn't. Sound public health policy isn't authoritarianism, it's saving some people despite themselves. Sure we could let Darwin take over, but unfortunately that takes innocent lives with it too. 

Of course it isn't. But preventing people from going about their daily lives is a form of that. You can't go to work, you can't do this, you can't do that: get the vaccine or else. That isn't sound policy at all. Global and CBC have already discussed this and while it seems "unlikely", it hasn't been ruled out completely. People should be cautious about what they put in their bodies instead especially when they don't need it of bending over backwards.

[RUPERTKBD]

Not Covid news per se, but a consequence of the pandemic nonetheless and I have to say, I found this pretty heartbreaking:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/my-only-wish-children-asking-pet-charity-to-help-their-furry-friends-at-christmas/ar-BB1bCONq?li=AAggXBV
 

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One child asks for a coat for her dog in case her family gets evicted. Another girl hopes Santa can bring her pet medication he needs. Another wishes for enough dog food.

A charity that provides subsidized pet care, including food hampers and medical treatment, for low-income residents is receiving Christmas letters from children asking for help for their furry friends.

Parachutes for Pets in Calgary has delivered 2,000 pet food hampers since the COVID-19 pandemic hit in March. But demand, especially during the second wave of the pandemic, is taking its toll on both the organization and those receiving help.

"Instead of Santa I wanted to write to you guys. My dog Badger is really cute and my best friend. He needs pills or he gets really, really sick. Could you bring me his pills for my Santa gift? I've been really good and so has he," reads a letter signed Hanna and Badger.

The organization says it has received 14 letters from children in the last week that normally would have gone to Santa.

"My Christmas wish this year is a coat for my dog Max. Mom says we can't pay rent after this month and I want Max to be warm if we have to stay in our car," wrote Kaylee.

"I have a warm coat and I think one would be good for him to stay warm. Please tell Santa this is my only wish. Merry Christmas."

Melissa David, who founded the charity, said the messages from the kids are heartbreaking.

"Instead of writing to Santa, they've written to us. Their Christmas wish is either for their dog to get medication and their dog to get food, so they don't have to share their meal with them."

David said the charity referred Kaylee's mom, who was at risk of being evicted, with an agency to deal with her rent arrears.

She said the charity made it through the first wave of the pandemic, but the resurgence of COVID-19 in the last months has resulted in demands coming at a "fast and furious rate."

"This second wave is going to cripple us. The amount of additional homeless with pets and domestic violence incidents involving pets is astronomical," David said.

People are still donating food items, she said, but there's also a need for cash, which is in short supply.

"This (pandemic) in addition to everyday challenges that are still here, such as cancer and illness, is really making it difficult for people to keep their pets at a time they can't afford mentally to lose them."

David said she is reaching out in desperation since there are limits on what help the charity can arrange.

"We were passed over for most COVID grants because animals were not considered essential."

There are also messages asking for help from physically abused women who are afraid to leave their pets behind.

"They want to take their pet with them. They're at the lowest of lows and they don't leave with anything but the clothes on their back. And if that pet stays, statistics are 80 per cent that it will be tortured or killed or used as some sort of revenge by the abuser."

The head of the Calgary Women's Emergency Shelter said crisis calls between April and September were up nearly 65 per cent compared with the year before.

Shelter CEO Kim Ruse confirms many women stay where they are for fear of their pets being harmed. 

"Not having a place for pets to go often stops women from leaving abusive and dangerous situations," Ruse said. "Many are unaware that there are options for keeping pets safe while finding safety for themselves and their children."

She said the agency does have pet-friendly rooms to accommodate small animals.

"Allowing pets in the shelter will help provide emotional and healing support for women and their children during their stay."

 

[stawns]

3 minutes ago, Tortorella's Rant said:

Of course it isn't. But preventing people from going about their daily lives is a form of that. You can't go to work, you can't do this, you can't do that: get the vaccine or else. That isn't sound policy at all. Global and CBC have already discussed this and while it seems "unlikely", it hasn't been ruled out completely. People should be cautious about what they put in their bodies instead especially when they don't need it of bending over backwards.

Here's my issue..........what would you have done?  All these people crying about their loss of freedom, should the govts have just let life go on and let the virus run wild?  The US had 3200 DEATHS yesterday and they are estimating it will be 5000 deaths per day by january.........is that what these people want?

[stawns]

1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

 

it is certainly a concern what might be lurking down the road from this. No one saw shingles coming as a consequence 40 years after you got chicken pox, e.g. 

 

Something to think about when people are weighing the risks of a new vaccine. You actually don't know the long term consequences of covid yet. Might be decades before you do. 

that's the x factor all these people aren't considering........there are a LOT of virus' that stay in your system forever, only emerging when your defenses are compromised

[Stelar]

20 hours ago, Tortorella's Rant said:

yep. That is entirely within people's rights. The alternative is authoritarianism. 

insert cuckoo gif here....

 

 

[Quinn Skates]

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

 

So virtually no one gets the seasonal flu now?

How can you explain this?

Seriously guys, wake the F up!

 

[Gurn]

55 minutes ago, stawns said:

Here's my issue..........what would you have done?  All these people crying about their loss of freedom, should the govts have just let life go on and let the virus run wild?  The US had 3200 DEATHS yesterday and they are estimating it will be 5000 deaths per day by january.........is that what these people want?

Unfortunately, many people don't care who, or how many die, as long as it isn't them.

[stawns]

3 minutes ago, Quinn Skates said:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

 

So virtually no one gets the seasonal flu now?

How can you explain this?

Seriously guys, wake the F up!

 

Can you elaborate by "wake up"?