Coronavirus outbreak

[JM_]

44 minutes ago, Quinn Skates said:

Something is definitely up.

They're inflating the covid numbers so it looks worse than it actually is.

It has always been the case but people don't believe it.

That data right there is a very clear proof.

How can that be explained otherwise?

 

 

@debluvscanucks do we really need to see this? people like this should be banned. 

 

knock off this crap please. What is it these days with conspiracy nuts coming out of the woodwork? 

Edited December 4, 2020 by Jimmy McGill

[Me_]

You know it’s bad when they tell you not to travel to where you are...

 

Edited December 4, 2020 by Me_

[Quinn Skates]

33 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

I can take a stab at explaining this for you. 
1.  Social distancing and masks work even better for something that doesn’t have the incredible infectivity of COVID. 
2.  Flu shot uptake this year has been good. I have been telling patients all along that if you never got the flu shot before, this is the year. 
3.  Decreased travel particularly from Asia has decreased the seeding of the flu in NA. 
4.  Less people being tested for the flu because they go get tested for COVID when they get sick. There is a bias away from flu testing as the bias for COVID testing has taken over. 
5.  It is way early in the flu season. 
6.  Nursing home transmission in particular is way down because of the social distancing and other methods. 
 

People have been using the seasonal flu foolishly as a comparator for COVID.  The impression I have taken from this is that people really don’t understand influenza and how sick that it makes you. Some of that is a language thing, people often use the descriptor of the flu for viral gastroenteritis, which I have never understood, and confounds the seriousness of the flu with a relatively minor illness. Man colds are often interpreted as the flu because we are such a whiny group that can’t believe that feeling bad could simply be a cold.   

4. So it's true. If those that got tested for covid actually got a seasonal flu test instead, then it would have been the seasonal flu and not covid.

5. It's early in the flu season, but CDC compares the same point in time as in previous years. 

 

Lastly, so this will be an annual concurrence now just like the seasonal flu. Covid will never go away. What's the need for over reaction then? We never locked down with the seasonal flu. And if covid keeps coming back, what's the lockdown for? 

[Quinn Skates]

14 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

@debluvscanucks do we really need to see this? people like this should be banned. 

 

knock off this crap please. What is it these days with conspiracy nuts coming out of the woodwork? 

Oh so you can't question the narrative now? Is that what you want? That you just keep your mouth shut and follow whatever order is given you? Is that how democracy and a civilized society works? We all keep fighting for equality and inclusion but seems like most of us don't know how to use those rights.

[skategal]

19 minutes ago, stawns said:

we could have had it as masks and distancing, but the same people crying about the loss of freedoms over a mask are the same people driving us toward a shutdown.  We could have that balance if everyone had pulled in the same direction........but we didn't.  We had an element of the population who felt they knew more than medical experts and who get suckered into the ridiculous conspiracy theories about an "authoritarian reset"..........it's because those people didn't want to listen to experts that we are in the situation we are in.

 

There's one element of our country to point the finger at, and it's not the government

I'm continually fascinated/frustrated by people, many of whom I think are doing some level of following of guidelines, but also looking for loopholes.  

The most recent expansion of the public health order to put a temporary halt on adult team sports - and how many twitter posts I've seen about - well, my sport isn't mentioned so I should be able to play x y or Z.  Complaints that orders aren't specific enough.  For weeks now if not longer the guidelines have been to stay at home and not group together.  Many people stopped playing sports as a result.  For the rest, it's like....yeh, we all need to do all these things except....when it impacts me personally in the one thing I love.  

 

We'd get through this perhaps more quickly if we shut down everything that didn't generate a job or revenue to someone.  People seem to think they can't live without (insert activity here) for a month or two.  Listened again yesterday to the Burnaby RCMP report of how many houseparties they had to break up and ticket in November.  WTH??????

 

What most of us are not privy to is the data and information that Public Health has that their decisions are based on.  I'm sure there have been outbreaks as a result of team sports because adults aren't always good at policing themselves and avoiding the social gatherings that come with team sports.  Or hey, traveling to a COVID hotspot out of province then bringing the disease back with the team and infecting copious amounts of other people.  

 

I read an article last night about how COVID patients are now being transferred out of Northern BC to hospitals in the south because they don't have enough equipment or staff to deal with the increasing numbers.  

[Gurn]

8 minutes ago, Quinn Skates said:

What's the need for over reaction then?

What is the mortality rate from the seasonal flu?

what is the mortality rate from Covid-19?

see the difference?

understand the reaction now?

[JM_]

Just now, Quinn Skates said:

Oh so you can't question the narrative now? Is that what you want? That you just keep your mouth shut and follow whatever order is given you? Is that how democracy and a civilized society works? We all keep fighting for equality and inclusion but seems like most of us don't know how to use those rights.

there's no narrative. Its a virus. 

[wloutet]

About vaccines. I was adopted at a year and a half. When I was about 46 I found my birth parents names. They never married each other me being a "love child", but did marry others, Mother had 9 other children, Dad had 4 other children. I have met about 8 of these 13 children. Mother had a father who did not believe in vaccinations, so would not let his children get the polio vaccination. One died at about 14, another became a quadriplegic. I was lucky enough to meet her about 3 months before she died in her 50's. She ran everything from a puffer on her chair. Answered the phone, turned on the TV, opened doors, etc. She was printing out her mom's poetry and song lyrics by puffing into an old Apple IIe in Morse code, then she printed it out from there. She did art work by painting with her mouth. She died in her 50's her bast**d father lived to 90.

Edited December 4, 2020 by wloutet

[PistolPete13]

1 hour ago, Quinn Skates said:

Something is definitely up.

They're inflating the covid numbers so it looks worse than it actually is.

It has always been the case but people don't believe it.

That data right there is a very clear proof.

How can that be explained otherwise?

 

 

Source? 
 

[Fanuck]

2 minutes ago, Quinn Skates said:

 Is that how democracy and a civilized society works?

People forget that this stopped being a democracy, as we typically know it, when we declared a Provincial State of Emergency. 

[RUPERTKBD]

42 minutes ago, Amebushi said:

Hey fellow Canuck fans!  I just want to give a shout-out to the mods on this page. They volunteered to moderate a forum about hockey and yet have stuck around to deal with a forum that talks about masks and vaccines more than the sport we all love. 
In addition, despite some very different opinions, the ability to hide behind a false name and all the stress of the season it is relatively civil in here. In other types of social media it’s like a war zone being dominated by crazy people (from both sides of every imaginable topic) but here I seem to be able to debate in a mostly friendly way. Thanks everyone! Now back to your regularly scheduled fighting about things well beyond our control

 

38 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

Hear Hear!

 

I second this thought.

The mods on this site are the best.

Thanks mods for all your awesome work.

 

[JM_]

1 minute ago, wloutet said:

About vaccines. I was adopted at a year and a half. When I was about 46 I found my birth parents names. They never married each other me being a "love child", but did marry others, Mother had 9 other children, Dad had 4 other children. I have met about 8 of these 13 children. Mother had a father who did no believe in vaccinations, so would not let his children get the polio vaccination. One died at about 14, another became a quadriplegic. I was luck enough to meet her about 3 months before she died in her 50's. She ran everything from a puffer on her chair. Answered the phone, turned on the TV, opened doors, etc. She was printing out her mom's poetry and song lyrics by puffing into an old Apple IIe in Morse code. then she printed it out from there. She did art work by painting with her mouth. She died in her 50's her bast**d father lived to 90.

sorry to hear that, but it does show the fire some of these "narrative" ass hats are playing with. 

[JM_]

3 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

People forget that this stopped being a democracy, as we typically know it, when we declared a Provincial State of Emergency. 

which is part of our legal framework in our democracy, that recognizes the need to act when rare events occur. 

 

I'm so tired of these losers that try to spread misinformation, argue "narratives", complain about missing two weeks of a sport, when we're losing dozens of people a day. 

 

Edited December 4, 2020 by Jimmy McGill

[skategal]

1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

which is part of our legal framework in our democracy, that recognizes the need to act when rare events occur. 

 

I'm so tired of these losers that try to spread misinformation, argue "narratives", complain about missing two weeks of a sport, when we're losing dozens of people a day. 

 

Just listening to comments from the new Conservative federal leader I realize how difficult it would be to get anything meaningful done in government if there weren't measures that could be used in emergency.  Look at what is happening in the US with the latest proposed relief bill.  

[JM_]

Just now, skategal said:

Just listening to comments from the new Conservative federal leader I realize how difficult it would be to get anything meaningful done in government if there weren't measures that could be used in emergency.  Look at what is happening in the US with the latest proposed relief bill.  

we're so fortunate we're not being government by someone like Jason Kenney or O'Toole nationally. Kenney puts out a statement that no Albertan will be "forced" to take the vaccine  just pathetic tin foil hat pandering. 

 

I've gained some respect for Doug Ford, he's not playing games to placate the weird alt-right portion of his base. Good for him. 

[Warhippy]

2 hours ago, Quinn Skates said:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

 

So virtually no one gets the seasonal flu now?

How can you explain this?

Seriously guys, wake the F up!

 

Ok.  Let's address this one by one. because you've a lot of deep state style statements here. 

 

What do you mean wake up?  There are still in fact cases of the flu happening.  What you're seeing is that social distancing, wearing masks and washing your hands is as effective at ensuring the flu does not get spread as the experts have said for literal decades.  Nothing more nothing less.

 

1 hour ago, Quinn Skates said:

Something is definitely up.

They're inflating the covid numbers so it looks worse than it actually is.

It has always been the case but people don't believe it.

That data right there is a very clear proof.

How can that be explained otherwise?

 

 

What do you think or suggest is up exactly?

 

WHO is inflating the covid numbers?  What exactly do THEY have to gain from it?

 

The data says you're wrong but do go on and try to explain your statements please

 

55 minutes ago, Quinn Skates said:

Nope. 

It would make sense if covid cases are decreasing together with seasonal flu, but no.

Covid cases actually rose by 8% compared to the previous 2 weeks.

So your covid precautions clearly isn't a factor here at all.

 

Covid is up, seasonal flu down.

Come in, it's not that hard to add them up 

Incorrect again.

 

SARS-Covid has different transmission markers than the regular flu, as well people en masse are getting vaccinated for the flu virus, by all reports the vaccine this year nailed the influenza type on the money.  This as well as basic common sense and hygiene has helped immensely in ensuring that the flu virus has been mitigated to below record levels.

 

Where as again, there is no vaccine for the Covid-19 virus, nor is there any rhyme or reason for infection rates and who gets it vs who doesn't which is why this virus is such an issue.  People are being infected because they are being stupid about things.

 

53 minutes ago, Quinn Skates said:

Covid is up 8%, so no.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.amp.html

 

See above.

 

7 minutes ago, Quinn Skates said:

4. So it's true. If those that got tested for covid actually got a seasonal flu test instead, then it would have been the seasonal flu and not covid.

5. It's early in the flu season, but CDC compares the same point in time as in previous years. 

 

Lastly, so this will be an annual concurrence now just like the seasonal flu. Covid will never go away. What's the need for over reaction then? We never locked down with the seasonal flu. And if covid keeps coming back, what's the lockdown for? 

4.  Based on what exactly?  They are two entirely different viruses.  So no, the markers would have and are in fact different.

5.  They do year by year charts yes.  What is your point?

 

Lastly, we have built up ZERO tolerance or immunity to SARS-Covid 19 as we have our seasonal influenza A and B viruses.  We have no natural immunities, or built up.  We have no vaccines.  The "over reaction" is literally keeping people alive.  Do you take issue or unbrage with that?

 

4 minutes ago, Quinn Skates said:

Oh so you can't question the narrative now? Is that what you want? That you just keep your mouth shut and follow whatever order is given you? Is that how democracy and a civilized society works? We all keep fighting for equality and inclusion but seems like most of us don't know how to use those rights.

What exactly is the "narrative" you keep referring to?  You have made suggestions of they, them, the narrative but have not in fact told us what that narrative is, who they are or what their goal is.

 

Please elaborate.

[nuckin_futz]

CDC reports new record cases

Fri 4 Dec 2020 18:39:14 GMT

 

CDC Covid statistics for the US

The CDC is reporting  new record cases in the US. The tests are also near all-time record highs:

• Total cases 219,187 vs. 196,227 yesterday
• Deaths equal 2861 vs. 2762 yesterday

[aGENT]

I dunno guys, I haven't been sick since last February right before this all started. I got laid off/haven't been working and most people have been distancing/wearing masks/washing or sanitizing hands etc, our kids have been taught at home, we've had very limited contact with friends and family etc, etc. 

 

Clearly that all means covid is a hoax.

 

#reasons

 

Edited December 4, 2020 by aGENT

[PistolPete13]

1 hour ago, Quinn Skates said:

4. So it's true. If those that got tested for covid actually got a seasonal flu test instead, then it would have been the seasonal flu and not covid.

5. It's early in the flu season, but CDC compares the same point in time as in previous years. 

 

Lastly, so this will be an annual concurrence now just like the seasonal flu. Covid will never go away. What's the need for over reaction then? We never locked down with the seasonal flu. And if covid keeps coming back, what's the lockdown for? 

Oh good.   So if I test positive for lung cancer but I also test positive for the common cold, then I don’t have cancer, because it would have been the common cold instead?

 

You are by far the sharpest knife in the drawer. 
.  

Edited December 4, 2020 by PistolPete13

[spur1]

1 hour ago, Quinn Skates said:

Oh so you can't question the narrative now? Is that what you want? That you just keep your mouth shut and follow whatever order is given you? Is that how democracy and a civilized society works? We all keep fighting for equality and inclusion but seems like most of us don't know how to use those rights.

Please wake up....that is exactly how democracy works. The majority rules and you are very much in the minority.