bishopshodan Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Well, Kenny is onside with the experts now. OPINION | After going eyeball to eyeball with COVID-19, Kenney finally blinks https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/opinion-thomson-covid-kenney-blinks-1.5833751 After months of pleading with Albertans to take "personal responsibility" to stop the spread of COVID-19, Premier Jason Kenney has finally taken personal responsibility himself. On Tuesday, he reluctantly announced the kind of sweeping COVID-19 restrictions he had been tersely rejecting for weeks. He is now ordering everyone to wear a mask in public spaces everywhere in Alberta. And nobody is allowed to hold any social gatherings outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelar Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: Well, Kenny is onside with the experts now. OPINION | After going eyeball to eyeball with COVID-19, Kenney finally blinks https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/opinion-thomson-covid-kenney-blinks-1.5833751 After months of pleading with Albertans to take "personal responsibility" to stop the spread of COVID-19, Premier Jason Kenney has finally taken personal responsibility himself. On Tuesday, he reluctantly announced the kind of sweeping COVID-19 restrictions he had been tersely rejecting for weeks. He is now ordering everyone to wear a mask in public spaces everywhere in Alberta. And nobody is allowed to hold any social gatherings outside. Just like I have said, he was hoping citizen’s would do the right things and they didn’t. That was his mistake. He’s not anti science 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnkNuk Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Fanuck said: I'm not saying the vaccine is safe or it isn't. But nobody can deny that this vaccine has been fast-tracked, meaning the developers have NOT gone through the same time-frame with regards to clinical trials (yes, they did trials, but instead of taking many years they took a few months). I'm not saying they didn't follow protocols and/or regulations but they HAVE been fast-tracked meaning there is zero data from the clinical trials to determine what the longer-term negative effects of the vaccine are - if there are any at all? Because of this I don't think it's unfair to question the safety of the vaccine, especially long-term side effects. Again, I'm not saying the vaccine is safe or it isn't - but this vaccine has zero long-term clinical trial data and therefore is open to some degree of questionability in my view. That thought has occurred to me, too. But the health authorities must have thought of that, too, before authorizing the vaccines, right? After all, there would be hell to pay if, say, people started keeling over from heart attacks caused by the vaccine a couple of years from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Fanuck said: I'm not saying the vaccine is safe or it isn't. But nobody can deny that this vaccine has been fast-tracked, meaning the developers have NOT gone through the same time-frame with regards to clinical trials (yes, they did trials, but instead of taking many years they took a few months). I'm not saying they didn't follow protocols and/or regulations but they HAVE been fast-tracked meaning there is zero data from the clinical trials to determine what the longer-term negative effects of the vaccine are - if there are any at all? Because of this I don't think it's unfair to question the safety of the vaccine, especially long-term side effects. Again, I'm not saying the vaccine is safe or it isn't - but this vaccine has zero long-term clinical trial data and therefore is open to some degree of questionability in my view. A big part of the fast tracking was recruitment, which usually takes years but there were so many volunteers it went very fast. Also all R&D was geared to this, everything else took a back seat. So yes it was fast but no steps were skipped. Don't forget 10s of 1000s of volunteers have already tested it, its not hitting the public with no knowledge of what side effects can occur. I don't see how fast tracking on its own is an issue if all the steps were taken. Statistically its a massive group: Pfizer said that no serious safety concerns related to the vaccine were reported in its study, which included 43,661 volunteers. Data on common side effects was tracked in an 8,000-patient portion of the study. The only severe side effects to occur in more than 2% of people were fatigue, which occurred in 3.7% of patients after the second dose, and headache, which occurred in 2%. Older adults had fewer and milder side effects than younger participants. Approximately 19,000 participants in the study have been followed for at least two months since their second dose of the vaccine. Pfizer’s updated results follow Moderna’s report that its Covid-19 vaccine, using similar technology, reduced the risk of Covid-19 by 94.5% in interim results from a 30,000-volunteer clinical trial. Moderna observed 95 cases of symptomatic Covid-19, only five of which affected participants who received the company’s vaccine. In Moderna’s study, there were 11 cases of severe Covid-19, all of which occurred in the placebo group. Moderna said there were no significant safety concerns observed in the trial. Severe events that occurred in greater than 2% of patients included fatigue, muscle pain, headache, and achiness. These events were “generally short-lived,” the company said in a press release. https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/18/pfizer-biontech-covid19-vaccine-fda-data/ Edited December 9, 2020 by Jimmy McGill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bishopshodan Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 34 minutes ago, Stelar said: Just like I have said, he was hoping citizen’s would do the right things and they didn’t. That was his mistake. He’s not anti science Sure. His resistance to do something sooner will garner some criticism and if he was just pandering to his supporters then he has been being reckless. If he truly believed Albertans would get this under control by being personally responsible, well he has more faith in humans that I do. He's done the right thing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: can you make this tweet any bigger King? Henry isn't using them because the rate of false negatives is too high. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said: can you make this tweet any bigger King? Henry isn't using them because the rate of false negatives is too high. Are you refering to not using rapid tests... or not not using masks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said: can you make this tweet any bigger King? Henry isn't using them because the rate of false negatives is too high. Don’t pop his balloon. He finally found someone to agree with him. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said: Are you refering to not using rapid tests... or not not using masks.... rapid tests. They aren't as good as the standard test. Hence the reasoning. You don't want people running around thinking they are OK when the test was wrong, do you? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 minute ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: As another layer of the pandemic response onion, though - it's better than nothing. Just like how wearing a mask (properly) is better than none. Just like how ensuring distance between yourself and the next person is better than none. have to disagree there, false negatives could be devastating in long term care e..g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 minute ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: And not testing could result in asymptomatic carriers becoming transmission event vectors. yes but the test would give those people the wrong outcome and they'd go infect more people. False negatives happen in every test but if they're too high the test system won't do what people think it will. I get your point, you may catch people you normally would not have but you'll also let a lot of sick people think they aren't carriers. Its not a simple thing to introduce into the plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warhippy Posted December 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2020 2 hours ago, nuckin_futz said: Florida Megachurch Pastor Tells Evangelical Congregants Not To Take COVID-19 Vaccine A prominent Florida megachurch pastor has advised his congregants not to receive a COVID-19 vaccine, urging them to “believe in divine immunity” instead. Guillermo Maldonado, founding pastor of the Miami-based King Jesus International Ministry and a loyal supporter of President Donald Trump, shared already debunked claims from the pulpit on Sunday about the vaccine altering DNA and being used to track people down. The Pentecostal preacher imbued those conspiracy theories with religious significance by connecting them to his beliefs about the end of the world. Pointing to verses from the Bible’s Book of Revelation, Maldonado suggested that the coronavirus vaccine would help lay the groundwork for the coming of the Antichrist. “Do not [take] the vaccine. Believe in the blood of Jesus. Believe in divine immunity,” Maldonado said in a bilingual sermon that was translated live and streamed on Facebook. He also claimed God had warned him about a “satanic global agenda” that is trying to establish one worldwide religion and bring the Christian church under governmental control ― an idea that echoes decades-old conspiracy theories about a global elite secretly working to create a “new world order.” “They want to stop President Trump because he’s against that agenda,” Maldonado said. King Jesus International Ministry did not respond to HuffPost’s request for clarification. The Miami megachurch is where the Trump campaign launched its “Evangelicals for Trump” coalition in January. The church reportedly received between $2 million and $5 million in forgivable loans under federal rescue legislation designed to help small businesses during the coronavirus pandemic. more nonsense in the link -------> https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/guillermo-maldonado-covid-19-vaccine-evangelicals-212356710.html ***************************** Stop messing around. Revoke this church's tax exemption for actions contrary to public safety. IIRC they got a bunch of bailout money that regular people didn't get A number of "megachurches" did. Not bad eh. Socialism for god...but none for the people because that's communism Murica 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: What I'm really hoping is that someone does a study of the efficacy of rapid testing as a means to identify asymptomatic carriers, and use the determined efficacy to show how the risk outweighs the benefits. That would (in my mind) settle this issue. Otherwise, the problem becomes one of potentially letting silent carriers wreak havoc on the system repeatedly because of an unwillingness (or inability) to test. its really complicated, I think we'll likely have everyone vaccinated before an really accurate rapid test is available. https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/which-test-is-best-for-covid-19-2020081020734 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoKnows Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Vaccine approved. Ready to wait in line all day for this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 56 minutes ago, Stelar said: Just like I have said, he was hoping citizen’s would do the right things and they didn’t. That was his mistake. He’s not anti science Have been following Alberta very closely... Kenney has in fact been abysmal for leadership. Blaming NE calgary's south east asian population while championing the rights of the maskless on the same day to hold protests and rallies. Holding back federal money earmarked for front line workers in the medical fields in order to avoid looking like he was taking a hand out. There's a volume of thigns Kenney did and didn't do that essentially lead Alberta to where they are now But it's all Trudeau's fault anyways and Notley completely failed to stop the virus "not even kidding, check out what one of the loudest UCP MLA's is tweeting" 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 19 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: It's an NDP plot to somehow screw over the province because they're the absolute worst because they're not doing exactly what KoS demands every single day and when they do they're still the worst because I changed my mind on what should happen If only the BC Liberals were in power, i'd have more things to be upset about 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skategal Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 IIRC part of the problem with the rapid testing was that there weren't adequate supplies of them to test all of the LTC workers even once, never mind more frequently. Then there is also the issue of testing accuracy. But sure, it's all because DBH didn't want to. For no reason other than her whims. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: It's an NDP plot to somehow screw over the province because they're the absolute worst because they're not doing exactly what KoS demands every single day and when they do they're still the worst because I changed my mind on what should happen If only the BC Liberals were in power, i'd have more things to be upset about I do think Wilkinson, being a physician, would have had a similar plan, like leaving Dr. Herny in place, fwiw. I wouldn't have wanted Christy now though, gives me shivers to think about that, she'd be right there with Jason "Alberta bashing" Kenney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelar Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 31 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: Sure. His resistance to do something sooner will garner some criticism and if he was just pandering to his supporters then he has been being reckless. If he truly believed Albertans would get this under control by being personally responsible, well he has more faith in humans that I do. He's done the right thing now. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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