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8 hours ago, Wolfgang Durst said:

Study of a top ranked german scientist came out today saying that COVID 19' s origin was a lab in Wuhan. Study is only available in german language unfortunately. Listed to the interview on TV and the reasoning of this scientist was pretty convincing to me. It is common knowledge among leading scientists that the staff in the Wuhan lab performed some research on the corona - virus in the context of the gain of function research. Most convincing argument was that COVID 19 is highly susceptible to pin to human cells. That's something that hasn't been seen from corona virus incorporated in bats.

According to this scientist there was a discussion among scientist's that the gain of function research is extremely dangerous and therefore this needs to be stopped back in the years 2014-2017. Nevertheless they continued their research in China.

Total BS.  Pretty much all reputable virologists say this is a zoonotic spillover, with common origin most likely in bats.  There may be a intermediate host, but it doesn't have to be. How do we know this? Because it happens many times before.  Just this century, 2003 SARS virus came from bats, then to civet cats then human. 2012 MERS, bats to camels to human. MERS disease still exists, and spill over happens sporadically.  SARS virus bind to the same receptor ACE2 like SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.  

 

Other coronaviruses spillover into other animals like pigs, causing diarrhea. It's not just humans. 

 

 

The research conducted over the years after SARS looked into related pandemic potential causing viruses in order to prevent it. They sample bats in rural Asia and found hundred of similar viruses. Sampling of antibodies in farmers who never got sick or handled bats, they found about 3% positive antibodies to bat coronaviruses. This estimates to about 1-7 million people exposed to bat coronaviruses every year. Another words, zoonotic spillover happen all the time. Most don't cause pandemics, which is a rare event, thank goodness. 

 

What's a top ranked German scientist? You think there is ranking in scientists?  Just so you know, good scientific paper will not be in German only in today's world. No one will read it. English is the de facto international language in scientific papers. Similarly if you publish it in Russian or Chinese, not many will read it either. Your source sounds like a fraud. 

 

Conspiracy theories always sound more interesting to lay public.  They said the same thing about HIV being man made. SARS-COV-2 will make a useless bioweapon since it barely kills any young people like soldiers. Only an idiot will make such a virus for warfare. The viral genome is a virus not known to human prior to Dec 2019.  However, it's parts can be found in natural bat viruses. It's isn't exotic. Natural evolution and recombination are happening every day.  It's a chance event it became a pandemic. 

 

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6 hours ago, bree2 said:

thank you, the family have all been called, they don't think she will make it

Hoping for the best for your sis, Bree.

 

Stay strong, stay positive. 

 

 

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Florida county commissioner limited vaccine drive to the two richest zip codes and then created a 'VIP list'

By Paul P. Murphy, Rosa Flores, Konstantin Toropin and Sara Weisfeldt, CNN

 

Updated 5:57 PM ET, Thu February 18, 2021

(CNN)A Manatee County, Florida, commissioner broke protocol for equitable vaccine distribution, which she had previously voted in favor of, when planning a vaccine drive initiated by Gov. Ron DeSantis. 

Vanessa Baugh admitted on Thursday that she "wanted to make sure certain people were on the list" for vaccination after emails revealed that she directed county officials to create a list to let her and others jump the line. In response to criticism that county officials had only permitted residents from the two richest zip codes in the county to get vaccinated at the event, Baugh further admitted that she picked the zip codes herself.
In a public county commissioner meeting on Thursday, Baugh apologized for the criticism regarding the "pop-up" vaccination site, but said that if presented with the opportunity again, "I will do exactly what I did this time." Baugh further explained that she "did exactly what (DeSantis) wanted" in organizing the vaccine drive.
On Tuesday, in another public county commissioner meeting, Baugh said that the vaccine drive was initiated by DeSantis, a Republican, and involved real estate developer Rex Jensen. A news release on the Manatee County website says it aimed to vaccinate 3,000 people over three days. 
 
One of the emails obtained by CNN through a public records request states that Baugh asked county workers to pull a list of potential vaccine recipients from only two zip codes, who would then participate in the state-sponsored vaccine drive.
"Commissioner Baugh has asked we pull a list of those in the vaccine waiting pool that have listed 34202 and 34211 as their residence," Manatee County Public Safety Director Jacob Saur wrote on February 12. 
Manatee County commissioners voted on January 6 to create a system that would distribute vaccines through a system that a source in the Manatee County government said was engineered to be more equitable. Instead of people scrambling to sign up for the first available vaccine appointments when they were made available, vaccine appointments are distributed by Manatee County through a random draw to eligible people that signed up to be in the lottery pool.
Although Baugh directed county employees to deviate from the protocol, she and the rest of the commissioners voted in favor of it unanimously on January 6.
In a Tuesday public county commissioner meeting, County Administrator Cheri Coryea confirmed that in the planning for the governor's pop-up drive, she told Baugh that they should use the random pool and not pick and choose people by zip codes. One of the emails obtained by CNN through a public records request indicates that the county is continuing to use the randomized pool.
A separate email, also obtained by CNN through a public records request, shows that Baugh didn't stop there. It shows on February 15 she also directed that she, Jensen and three others be allowed to cut the line. 
A source that was briefed on how the planning process was carried out called it a "VIP list." Also, two of the individuals on that VIP list lived outside the two zip codes that Baugh mandated. All five individuals on the list were qualified to get the vaccine but by adding them to the VIP list, Baugh guaranteed they would skip the line by giving them appointments.
The Bradenton Herald was first to report on the emails. 
Census records show those two zip codes in Manatee County have the highest median household income and are overwhelmingly White. Florida Department of Health records show those two zip codes also have some of the lowest Covid-19 infection rates in the county.
Although DeSantis said that the choice of zip codes "was a choice about where's a high concentration of seniors," Baugh made it clear that she was behind the decision.
"It was my idea," Baugh said at the Wednesday meeting, but did not offer an explanation for her rationale.
"I think instead of everyone seeming to have an issue, we need to realize it's 3,000 people that are now going to be removed from our registry, which will open it up hopefully sooner to all of those that are left," she said. 
Although Baugh utilized county personnel and resources for the drive, fellow county commissioners said in Tuesday's public meeting that they were not consulted or notified about the pop up. They only found out about it through the local newspaper. 
CNN reached out to Baugh for comment but did not receive a response.
Lisa Barnott, spokesperson for Jensen and Lakewood Ranch, told CNN in a statement that their involvement in the clinic was only "to help identify a site that could accommodate 1,000 people per day." 
"(Baugh) coordinated the use of the site, as well as use of the Manatee County registry of people who had signed up for vaccinations," Barnott went on to say in the statement.
Barnott did not respond to inquiries about Jensen being included on the so-called VIP list.
Manatee County had previously been lauded by DeSantis for their effectiveness at vaccinating people and standing up one of the first drive-thru vaccination programs in the US. Now, the governor threatened to withhold additional doses from the county after the person that he largely put in charge to run it -- Baugh -- was criticized. DeSantis has not criticized Baugh or her methodology in organizing his vaccine drive.
"If Manatee County doesn't like us doing this, then we are totally fine with putting this in counties that want it," DeSantis said. 
CNN reached out to DeSantis' press office for comment and has not received a response.
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19 hours ago, stawns said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55996728

 

Peter Ben Embarek, the head of the World Health Organization (WHO) mission, said it was "extremely unlikely" that the virus spread from a lab leak in the city of Wuhan.

He said more work was needed to identify the source of the virus.

The investigation could now focus on South East Asia, one expert said.

The WHO team are currently at the end of their investigation mission.

Wuhan, in China's central Hubei province, is the first place in the world that the virus was detected in 2019. Since then, more than 106 million cases and 2.3 million deaths have been reported worldwide.

 

Dr Embarek told a press conference the investigation had uncovered new information but had not dramatically changed the picture of the outbreak.

Experts believe the virus is likely to have originated in animals before spreading to humans, but they are not sure how.

Dr Embarek said work to identify the origins of Covid-19 pointed to a "natural reservoir" in bats, but it was unlikely that this happened in Wuhan.

He said identifying the animal pathway remained a "work in progress", but that it was "most likely" to have crossed over to humans from an intermediary species.

The experts also said there was "no indication" that the virus was circulating in Wuhan before the first official cases were recorded there in December 2019.

Liang Wannian, an expert with China's Health Commission, said Covid-19 could have been in other regions before it was detected in Wuhan.

 

The team called for further investigation into the possibility of "cold chain" transmission, referring to the transport and trade of frozen food.

Dr Peter Daszak, a member of the WHO team, said the focus on where the origins that led to Covid-19 might be, could be shifted to South East Asia.

"We've done a lot of work in China and if you map that back it starts to point towards the border and we know that there is very little surveillance on the other side in the whole region of South East Asia," he told the BBC's John Sudworth in Wuhan.

"China is a very big place and South East Asia is a very big place. The supply chains to the Huanan seafood market were extensive, they were coming in from other countries, they were coming in from various parts of China, so to really trace that back it's going to take some work."

He added that the focus should now be on those supply chains.

The WHO mission began in January, following months of negotiations with Beijing. The experts' visit was closely-monitored by the Chinese authorities.

not surprised that the WHO investigation team has not been able to identify the source of the pandemic after several months of investigation. China's government has been massively impeding the whole investigation: "he WHO mission began in January, following months of negotiations with Bejing" + The expert'S visit was closely - monitored by the Chinese authorities.

 

Have you ever thought about why Chinese government did massively hinder the whole investigation? Obviously they have to hide something.

 

Here are some facts:

1. the first COVID 19 case was idenfified in Wuhan. That's a big city in China.

 Why does the WHO shift their focus on identifying the origin of COVID 19 to South Asia, as one member of the investigation team when the first case was identified in Wuhan?

 "The experts also said there was "no indication" that the virus was circulating in Wuhan before the first official cases were recorded there in December 2019"

 How can the so - called expers say this? When there is no indication that the virus was circulating in Wuhan before the first offical cases were recorded in Dec. 2019 where  

 does the first case come from?

 

2. It is a fact that a research team in the Wuhan lab did experiments aimed at creating a more infectious, more dangerous and more deadly corona virus.

 

 

 

 

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Some good news.

 

The Lancet article mentioned: https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736(21)00448-7

 

 Israeli government-owned Sheba Medical Center study showed 85% effective with first dose.  The data is showing support for longer intervals between 1st and 2nd doses.  

 

The move to standard freezer storage should make things a lot better on the vaccine roll-out front.  

 

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/single-dose-of-pfizer-vaccine-is-85-effective-israeli-study-shows-11613723218?mod=djemalertNEWS

Pfizer-BioNTech Vaccine Is Highly Effective After One Dose and Can Be Stored in Normal Freezers, Data Shows

Peer-reviewed study comes as some governments debate whether to delay second vaccine doses

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2 hours ago, Wolfgang Durst said:

not surprised that the WHO investigation team has not been able to identify the source of the pandemic after several months of investigation. China's government has been massively impeding the whole investigation: "he WHO mission began in January, following months of negotiations with Bejing" + The expert'S visit was closely - monitored by the Chinese authorities.

 

Have you ever thought about why Chinese government did massively hinder the whole investigation? Obviously they have to hide something.

 

Here are some facts:

1. the first COVID 19 case was idenfified in Wuhan. That's a big city in China.

 Why does the WHO shift their focus on identifying the origin of COVID 19 to South Asia, as one member of the investigation team when the first case was identified in Wuhan?

 "The experts also said there was "no indication" that the virus was circulating in Wuhan before the first official cases were recorded there in December 2019"

 How can the so - called expers say this? When there is no indication that the virus was circulating in Wuhan before the first offical cases were recorded in Dec. 2019 where  

 does the first case come from?

 

2. It is a fact that a research team in the Wuhan lab did experiments aimed at creating a more infectious, more dangerous and more deadly corona virus.

 

 

 

 

Let's steer clear of conspiracy theory

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11 hours ago, 4petesake said:

Florida county commissioner limited vaccine drive to the two richest zip codes and then created a 'VIP list'

By Paul P. Murphy, Rosa Flores, Konstantin Toropin and Sara Weisfeldt, CNN

 

Updated 5:57 PM ET, Thu February 18, 2021

(CNN)A Manatee County, Florida, commissioner broke protocol for equitable vaccine distribution, which she had previously voted in favor of, when planning a vaccine drive initiated by Gov. Ron DeSantis. 

I believe it and yet I can’t believe it. :picard:

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@bree So sorry to hear about your loved ones - I know there are no words that help but sending all the positive energy I have your way.  Glad that you felt a strong enough connection with us that you shared your story with us.  We're here for each other, it's a great community.  

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Starting to see lowest positivity rates in Cook County since the pandemic started.

Hopefully it continues that way, my mom and wife got already vaccinated, my dad is on the list as he is over 70.

 

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https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/self-care-bingo-tweet

Some triggered people... seeing how Twitter is a personal medium that people read for recreational purposes, is it really that wrong to have something like "cry and let it out"?  Even if they don't say it it's not like people wouldn't do it in private (it's a realistic psychological/ emotional coping mechanism), and having been in this situation for so long it's not like it would really be that depressing or demoralizing anymore.  Almost like there's some assumption of "toxic humanity" just from stating healthy reactions that some find negatively triggering.  

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8 hours ago, Phil_314 said:

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/self-care-bingo-tweet

Some triggered people... seeing how Twitter is a personal medium that people read for recreational purposes, is it really that wrong to have something like "cry and let it out"?  Even if they don't say it it's not like people wouldn't do it in private (it's a realistic psychological/ emotional coping mechanism), and having been in this situation for so long it's not like it would really be that depressing or demoralizing anymore.  Almost like there's some assumption of "toxic humanity" just from stating healthy reactions that some find negatively triggering.  

I'm surprised at what people take exception to.  I wondered if it might be the idea of the "bingo card" perceived as making light of what is arguably a challenging time and not providing enough actual mental health supports?  

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21 hours ago, Wolfgang Durst said:

not surprised that the WHO investigation team has not been able to identify the source of the pandemic after several months of investigation. China's government has been massively impeding the whole investigation: "he WHO mission began in January, following months of negotiations with Bejing" + The expert'S visit was closely - monitored by the Chinese authorities.

 

Have you ever thought about why Chinese government did massively hinder the whole investigation? Obviously they have to hide something.

 

Here are some facts:

1. the first COVID 19 case was idenfified in Wuhan. That's a big city in China.

 Why does the WHO shift their focus on identifying the origin of COVID 19 to South Asia, as one member of the investigation team when the first case was identified in Wuhan?

 "The experts also said there was "no indication" that the virus was circulating in Wuhan before the first official cases were recorded there in December 2019"

 How can the so - called expers say this? When there is no indication that the virus was circulating in Wuhan before the first offical cases were recorded in Dec. 2019 where  

 does the first case come from?

 

2. It is a fact that a research team in the Wuhan lab did experiments aimed at creating a more infectious, more dangerous and more deadly corona virus.

 

 

 

 

Sorry that's just dumb.

 

1. Dumb. just a bunch of babble based on nothing (that's why they went through 7 years of school and you're here)

2. What, that's even dumber, are you getting your news from a cracker jack box? You should get a legit media outlet and stop stealing wifi from your neighbor. 

3. Carry on if you must

 

Image result for cracker jax

 

Sorry Durst. I don't mean to be a jerk as I really do like your posts but 

 

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you gotta be smarter than that

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