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26 minutes ago, Sean Monahan said:

 

First dose or second? The only person I know who’s had both doses (Pfizer) said the symptoms were very mild after the first dose but she did feel pretty rough for a day or two after the second dose. Bedridden I believe. 

Typically more on second dose, based on all the data. But my own experience plus three other in-laws, we all had minimal reactions. So it's quite variable. Don't be afraid to get the booster when it's available. Boosts both the antibody level and memory cells, and provides a more durable immunity. 

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2 hours ago, BoKnows said:

Concert venues dealt another blow as Ontario COVID-19 rules prohibit live streams

https://globalnews.ca/news/7740287/concert-venues-ontario-covid-rules-prohibit-live-streams/?utm_medium=Facebook&utm_source=AM980London&fbclid=IwAR20yJJFjHarnzfMbsm0inx073CTTsdhWWiZ2Tpt-RqYVGcod0l0KXFbRjc

 

But you can go to Yorkdale mall in Toronto with a 1000 others no problem.  Doug Ford the peoples champ......... 

its Trudeau's fault. 

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3 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

its Trudeau's fault. 

It's everyone's fault.  Need a better vaccine rollout, need better lockdown rules in Ontario, need the population to not be dumb.

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1 hour ago, Jaimito said:

Typically more on second dose, based on all the data. But my own experience plus three other in-laws, we all had minimal reactions. So it's quite variable. Don't be afraid to get the booster when it's available. Boosts both the antibody level and memory cells, and provides a more durable immunity. 

Oh I’ll be getting it for sure, I’m just sharing what I’d heard. It won’t deter me. I know the reactions are a crapshoot- the 2019 flu shot had me in bed at about 4-5PM that day while I didn’t feel anything at all with the 2020 shot. 
 

 

I’ve been told by somebody who works at a vaccination site that they have leftover doses at the end of each day and they try to give them away to just about anybody who will take it. I’m hoping to get in on that action. I feel a little bad because I’m in my 20’s and healthy but I still see my parents (dad 59, mom 64 and not terribly healthy) as well as my semi-vaccinated grandpa. And I figure it’s better off going into somebody’s arm than nobody’s. 

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50 minutes ago, BoKnows said:

It's everyone's fault.  Need a better vaccine rollout,

well we screwed that pooch back in the 90s by giving up our manufacturing capacity for vaccines 

 

50 minutes ago, BoKnows said:

need better lockdown rules in Ontario,

 

yup

50 minutes ago, BoKnows said:

 

need the population to not be dumb.

I'm trying my best not let that drag me down 

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57 minutes ago, CBH1926 said:

My dad got his Moderna vaccine today, he could’ve gone sooner but he didn’t want J&J vaccine.

Interesting, I was leaning to the Johnson & Johnson one as it's a single dose.

"Unlike the mRNA used in Pfizer and Moderna’s products, Johnson & Johnson is a non-replicating viral vector vaccine similar to AstraZeneca’s.

That means it uses a different harmless virus, which can’t copy itself, as a vector to give our cells the instructions they need to make the coronavirus’s spike protein.

The immune system recognizes the protein and makes antibodies, which then allow us to fend off attack if exposed in the future"

 

Yes, mRNA does sound like the way to go as it's basically an instruction set for our body to produce anti bodies against covid.

 

My dad also got the Moderna.  

 

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27 minutes ago, Heretic said:

Interesting, I was leaning to the Johnson & Johnson one as it's a single dose.

"Unlike the mRNA used in Pfizer and Moderna’s products, Johnson & Johnson is a non-replicating viral vector vaccine similar to AstraZeneca’s.

That means it uses a different harmless virus, which can’t copy itself, as a vector to give our cells the instructions they need to make the coronavirus’s spike protein.

The immune system recognizes the protein and makes antibodies, which then allow us to fend off attack if exposed in the future"

 

Yes, mRNA does sound like the way to go as it's basically an instruction set for our body to produce anti bodies against covid.

 

My dad also got the Moderna.  

 

Yeah, I am not sure why he didn’t want J&J, my wife and my mom got 2 doses of Pfizer vaccine already.

I am going next week and Moderna, Pfizer and J&J are all fine with me.

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1 hour ago, CBH1926 said:

Yeah, I am not sure why he didn’t want J&J

Personally, the efficacy is too low for me.  Considering I'd still want a full set of doses of one of the mRNA vaccines that work better, it seems like a waste, especially if getting it makes it more difficult for me to get Pfizer or Moderna.

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30 minutes ago, MikeBossy said:

One of my employees got the Astra vaccine but has now been told her second shot will be Pfizer? Anyone else been told this?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/04/oxford-trial-to-test-efficacy-of-mix-of-covid-vaccines-for-individuals
 

There are some tests over this in the UK but I’ve not yet seen results. The belief is by mixing and matching there will be greater protection against variant strains 

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To those that keep saying that it is like the flu and is easy to recover from:

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brain/a-third-of-covid-survivors-suffer-neurological-or-mental-disorders-study-idUSKBN2BT2ZI

 

One in three COVID-19 survivors in a study of more than 230,000 mostly American patients were diagnosed with a brain or psychiatric disorder within six months, suggesting the pandemic could lead to a wave of mental and neurological problems, scientists said on Tuesday.

Researchers who conducted the analysis said it was not clear how the virus was linked to psychiatric conditions such as anxiety and depression, but that these were the most common diagnoses among the 14 disorders they looked at.

Post-COVID cases of stroke, dementia and other neurological disorders were rarer, the researchers said, but were still significant, especially in those who had severe COVID-19.

“Although the individual risks for most disorders are small, the effect across the whole population may be substantial,” said Paul Harrison, a professor of psychiatry at Oxford University who co-led the work.

 

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19 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said:

Costco also paid for all their employees to get vaccinated I believe. My brother is 23 and has had the vaccine from work(Costco). 

If that is true, why didn't the NHL with all their money, vaccinate the players, coaches and other staff?

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18 minutes ago, Heretic said:

If that is true, why didn't the NHL with all their money, vaccinate the players, coaches and other staff?

THe optics of "budging"in line where too tough to take for them.

Also different rules in the states versus Canada

 

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10 hours ago, King Heffy said:

Personally, the efficacy is too low for me.  Considering I'd still want a full set of doses of one of the mRNA vaccines that work better, it seems like a waste, especially if getting it makes it more difficult for me to get Pfizer or Moderna.

What's too low in efficacy is not being vaccinated at all and takes your chances. With the spread getting out of hand in BC and ON, getting vaccinated ASAP will have the most impact.  If takes weeks for vaccine protection to kick in.  Be aware that all the trials for AZ, JJ, Moderna, Pfizer, Novavax all were 100% efficacious in preventing death and hospitalization.  It can save you from severe disease or death. 

 

Efficacy results are not head to head comparison between trials and cannot be directly compared (demographics, study end point, participant selection criteria, disease prevalence at the time etc). The mRNA vaccine trials were not done during the time when the UK or South African variants were prevelant.  Getting AZ for example now, will also not prevent you from getting mRNA booster in the future. Ongoing trials are studying it. In UK, they already allow it. From scientific point of view, it should be fine since the antigen is identical. The platform (mRNA vs viral vector vs protein particle) is not what gives you the booster response. 

 

In terms of efficacy of AZ, it increases when booster dose is given >12 weeks compared to 4 wks (UK is doing 12 weeks). If you are over 55, I wouldn't hesitate to get AZ if that's the one available now. 

 

New boosters for variants are very possible in the near future (Moderna, Pfizer, JJ etc are all working on it). Novavax factory in Montreal will be built this year and it's possible Canada will have the ability to make its own new covid vaccines every year. For future boosters, it may not be necessary to have the same brand every year. It's not like having an Apple computer and you must get Apple accessories. It's more like you can get a Microsoft PC now then get an Apple accessory later.  

 

Bottom line is get protected asap. 

 

 

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