stawns Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Roger Rabby said: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/04/canada-vaccine-rollout-problems/618516/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/nationalpost.com/opinion/rupa-subramanya-the-truth-about-canadas-vaccine-roll-out-were-not-doing-that-bad/wcm/0b8f5bdc-fd0f-4094-aabb-1e57a449fbc5/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Rabby Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 1 minute ago, stawns said: What exactly did you expect from a country who doesn't produce vaccines? Perhaps the expectations are the problem. In November they said it was going to be late 2021 before we were all done and we're ahead of that schedule. No we aren't ahead. First doses** by Canada day and that's if no hiccups take place. The Canadian government likely could have had a better response if they invested in vaccine companies, didn't attempt to partner with China or if our governments over the years had of invested in Canadian companies. It's fine to take good news from a poor situation but imo it's important to ask the hard questions moving forward rather than praise it for political reasons. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Roger Rabby said: No we aren't ahead. First doses** by Canada day and that's if no hiccups take place. The Canadian government likely could have had a better response if they invested in vaccine companies, didn't attempt to partner with China or if our governments over the years had of invested in Canadian companies. It's fine to take good news from a poor situation but imo it's important to ask the hard questions moving forward rather than praise it for political reasons. https://www.google.com/amp/s/nationalpost.com/opinion/rupa-subramanya-the-truth-about-canadas-vaccine-roll-out-were-not-doing-that-bad/wcm/0b8f5bdc-fd0f-4094-aabb-1e57a449fbc5/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Rabby Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, stawns said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/nationalpost.com/opinion/rupa-subramanya-the-truth-about-canadas-vaccine-roll-out-were-not-doing-that-bad/wcm/0b8f5bdc-fd0f-4094-aabb-1e57a449fbc5/amp/ Why isn't this debacle ever talked about? Do you honestly this expectations are to high in Canada? Is that seriously where we are as a nation? Don't expect to be at the same level as UK, US, Turkey, etc? I mean if that's the case then ok we are doing great. While Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his Liberal government may be faulted for their brief dalliance with China, as soon as it became clear that CanSino had come a cropper, Canada in short order signed contracts for very large quantities of vaccines with major manufacturers, with the bulk of them coming from the EU, as the U.S. is simply not an option. Edited April 10, 2021 by Roger Rabby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Rabby Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, stawns said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/nationalpost.com/opinion/rupa-subramanya-the-truth-about-canadas-vaccine-roll-out-were-not-doing-that-bad/wcm/0b8f5bdc-fd0f-4094-aabb-1e57a449fbc5/amp/ We aren't just behind the US. It's fine you seem to think Canadians should accept mediocrity so you have made your point. Meanwhile more people will die, our economy will suffer, more mental health issues and more suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Roger Rabby said: We aren't just behind the US. It's fine you seem to think Canadians should accept mediocrity so you have made your point. Meanwhile more people will die, our economy will suffer, more mental health issues and more suffering. You are placing blame on Trudeau, because Harper sold off our vaccinne industry? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Roger Rabby said: We aren't just behind the US. It's fine you seem to think Canadians should accept mediocrity so you have made your point. Meanwhile more people will die, our economy will suffer, more mental health issues and more suffering. Did you think experiencing a pandemic was going to be rainbows and unicorns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Rabby Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, gurn said: You are placing blame on Trudeau, because Harper sold off our vaccinne industry? I never mentioned Trudeau or Harper. Covid is to political for some. 6 minutes ago, stawns said: Did you think experiencing a pandemic was going to be rainbows and unicorns? Clearly pandemic education and preparedness is needed moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 44 minutes ago, stawns said: https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/coronavirus-variants-risk-canada-covid-19-1.5982323 I wish the NDP would be more proactive on this. With the spread of variants here it makes me wonder if we are at risk developing our own “Canada” variant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Rabby Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, 4petesake said: With the spread of variants here it makes me wonder if we are at risk developing our own “Canada” variant. My wife actually brought this up to me last week. Scary thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 39 minutes ago, Roger Rabby said: I never mentioned Trudeau or Harper. Covid is to political for some. Clearly pandemic education and preparedness is needed moving forward. agree 100% we're lucky this virus wasn't far more serious than it is. With our behaviour, we really dodged a bullet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Rabby Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 39 minutes ago, stawns said: agree 100% we're lucky this virus wasn't far more serious than it is. With our behaviour, we really dodged a bullet Honestly I think as a nation or province we need to put pandemic preparedness in school curriculums. In my opinion rich western nations don't take it serious enough and maybe the issue is not teaching or educating people enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: And none do that better than loathsome Justin Turdeww. He and his thoughtless government have allowed flights to continue unabated during a pandemic. This is what brought in the variants. The feds aren’t here to help, folks. They see dollar signs before life lines. I’d love to have an hour with some of these shills. I agree. Don't travel...but if you do spend lots of money. Stay out Alberta, wait.....bring your boat. Works best when you launder money too. We don't even know it's happening because we are that naive. Edited April 10, 2021 by Chris12345 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Roger Rabby said: Honestly I think as a nation or province we need to put pandemic preparedness in school curriculums. In my opinion rich western nations don't take it serious enough and maybe the issue is not teaching or educating people enough. well, we do earthquake and lockdown drills, so it's not out of the realm of possibility 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Roger Rabby said: Clearly pandemic education and preparedness is needed moving forward. We are finally trying to bring vaccine manufacturing back home: The new money will build an "end-to-end influenza vaccine manufacturing facility," said a federal release, and is expected to create some 300 high-quality jobs in Toronto. The new facility is expected to be up and running in 2027, and will have the capacity to produce "enough vaccine doses to support the entire Canadian population within approximately six months of the World Health Organization (WHO) identifying a pandemic influenza strain," the release continued. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/flu-vaccine-production-north-york-toronto-sanofi-1.5970870 There are a number of other smaller initiatives as well. This one should be up and running soon: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/vaccines-canada-production-trudeau-1.5897343 Edited April 10, 2021 by Jimmy McGill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Rabby Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 25 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: We are finally trying to bring vaccine manufacturing back home: The new money will build an "end-to-end influenza vaccine manufacturing facility," said a federal release, and is expected to create some 300 high-quality jobs in Toronto. The new facility is expected to be up and running in 2027, and will have the capacity to produce "enough vaccine doses to support the entire Canadian population within approximately six months of the World Health Organization (WHO) identifying a pandemic influenza strain," the release continued. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/flu-vaccine-production-north-york-toronto-sanofi-1.5970870 There are a number of other smaller initiatives as well. This one should be up and running soon: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/vaccines-canada-production-trudeau-1.5897343 Perfect!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Roger Rabby said: Perfect!! there are some smaller developments in places like SK as well, but thats mostly research. There's no reason at all that Canada can't be a world leader in this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Rabby Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: there are some smaller developments in places like SK as well, but thats mostly research. There's no reason at all that Canada can't be a world leader in this. I agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 13 hours ago, stawns said: What I’d expect from you. Sadly no surprises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 2 hours ago, stawns said: agree 100% we're lucky this virus wasn't far more serious than it is. With our behaviour, we really dodged a bullet Kinda dodged a bullet in 2003 SARS. That was 10% case fatality rate, but it spread mostly in symptomatic people and was contained. Bit disappointed Canada wasn't more prepared, compared to other countries that had SARS like Taiwan, Vietnam, Singapore, HK. S Korea had MERS more recently. Field hospitals are up in Toronto. Don't let this be in Vancouver. Everyone do their part and flatten the curve. If you are eligible to get a vaccine, go get it. I was able to convince my uncle and aunt in Vancouver to get one. They are in early 60s. https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=2164650&jwsource=cl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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