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12 hours ago, stawns said:

Hard to say, but I don't think we've treated them all that well either.  We love their slave labour, but give them no respect for the impact they've had on our society.  It's been a very one sided relationship and now that they are flexing their muscles, we turn them into the boogeyman, even if they have earned much of that themselves

 

They are the super power of the world and if we can't find ways to work with them, the entire planet suffers.

 

They’ve more than earned than boogeyman moniker.  Or rather the CCP.  Mao ranks up there with the Austrian corporal and Stalin as mass murderers in recent history. And with Mao, it was almost exclusively against his own people with his policies.  IMHO.

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14 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

They’ve more than earned than boogeyman moniker.  Or rather the CCP.  Mao ranks up there with the Austrian corporal and Stalin as mass murderers in recent history. And with Mao, it was almost exclusively against his own people with his policies.  IMHO.

Yes, Mao was crazy with his failed policies like great leap forward leading to mass famine, which killed millions, more than the ones he arrested or executed. Follow that with the cultural revolution.  But lives are not that valuable for him. He said they would rather have the atomic bomb than to have clothes. And if US nuked them, they will just make more babies. But his successor Deng was much wiser and his policies lifted millions out of poverty. The largest creation of middle class in the shortest time in human history.  Leaders matter. Xi is taking to another level with his belt and road initiative. The party thinks in decades, not every 2-4 years like the US system.   You can view history with any lens you want. Leading GDP countries in the majority of written human history were in India and China. The 1800-1900s were just a temporary setback.  China is rising and will overtake US in due time. 

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Some good news.  Lockdowns and having just over 60% of the adult population with at least one dose.  BC has a long way to go.

 

https://apnews.com/article/pandemics-england-coronavirus-pandemic-london-coronavirus-vaccine-384f50d678bdcb355ecad77aa43b5da1

UK infections drop about 60% amid vaccinations, lockdown

LONDON (AP) — The U.K.’s COVID-19 vaccination program is beginning to break the link between infection and serious illness or death, according to the latest results from an ongoing study of the pandemic in England.

Researchers at Imperial College London found that COVID-19 infections dropped about 60% in March as national lockdown measures slowed the spread of the virus. People 65 and older were the least likely to be infected as they benefited most from the vaccination program, which initially focused on older people.

The study also found that the relationship between infections and deaths is diverging, “suggesting that infections may have resulted in fewer hospitalizations and deaths since the start of widespread vaccination.”

 

The positive news came amid renewed scrutiny of vaccinations that followed revised UK government guidance Wednesday that it will offer people under 30 an alternative inoculation to the AstraZeneca shot where possible. The change followed studies that the shot may be linked to very rare blood clots.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock told Sky News that the public should reassured by the abundance of caution demonstrated by authorities to make sure the vaccine rollout is as safe as possible.

“What we’ve learned in the last 24 hours is that the rollout of the vaccine is working, we’ve seen that the safety system is working, because the regulators can spot even this extremely rare event — four in a million — and take necessary action to ensure the rollout is as safe as it possible can be,″ he said. “And we are seeing that the vaccine is working. It’s breaking the link between cases and deaths.”

Some 31.7 million people had been given a first dose by Tuesday, or just over 60% of the country’s adult population.

But Imperial researchers also urged caution, saying that infection rates leveled off at the end of the study period as the government began to ease the national lockdown and children returned to school. Future rounds of the study will assess the impact that further easing of restrictions has on infection rates.

The next step in lifting England’s third national lockdown is scheduled for April 12, when nonessential shops will be allowed to reopen, along with hair salons, gyms and outdoor service at pubs and restaurants.

The findings are based on data gathered by the 10th round of Imperial College’s Real-Time Assessment of Community Transmission study, which conducts swab tests on a random sample of people across England each month. The latest round tested more than 140,000 people from March 11 to March 30.

Even though Britain has had one of the world’s fastest vaccine rollouts, its death toll from the pandemic is the highest in Europe at over 127,000.

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41 minutes ago, Jaimito said:

Yes, Mao was crazy with his failed policies like great leap forward leading to mass famine, which killed millions, more than the ones he arrested or executed. Follow that with the cultural revolution.  But lives are not that valuable for him. He said they would rather have the atomic bomb than to have clothes. And if US nuked them, they will just make more babies. But his successor Deng was much wiser and his policies lifted millions out of poverty. The largest creation of middle class in the shortest time in human history.  Leaders matter. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

They’ve more than earned than boogeyman moniker.  Or rather the CCP.  Mao ranks up there with the Austrian corporal and Stalin as mass murderers in recent history. And with Mao, it was almost exclusively against his own people with his policies.  IMHO.

No argument here, but the last thing we need now is a new cold war

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32 minutes ago, Jaimito said:

 

of course this govt just fed front line workers a line of bs to keep us quiet.  I'll probably end up getting it in my age cohort before I get it as a front line worker

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BC Green Party calls for more aggressive COVID-19 measures

BY MARTIN MACMAHON AND HANA MAE NASSAR

Posted Apr 8, 2021 10:05 am PDT

 

Last Updated Apr 8, 2021 at 10:07 am PDT

 
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FILE -- B.C. Green party leader Sonia Furstenau speaks during a media availability following her speech at the UBCM convention at the Victoria Conference Centre in Victoria, B.C., on Thursday September 24, 2020. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Chad Hipolito
 
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Sonia Furstenau argues it's time to close in-person schooling amid a rise in COVID-19 cases

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BC Green Party calling for stricter COVID-19 measures for three week period, including closure of non-essential business

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Greens pushing for tougher public health measures amid COVID-19 spike in B.C.

 

VANCOUVER (NEWS 1130) – B.C.’s Green Party leader says it’s time for the province to implement more aggressive measures to tackle the spread of COVID-19.

 

Leader Sonia Furstenau argues it’s time to close in-person schooling, and says it’s time to start actual enforcement to stop non-essential travel, as well as the introduction of government support for businesses forced to close.

 

The party is making this push as B.C. deals with the worst stage of the pandemic we’ve seen to date, with recent new case counts coming in at around 1,000 per day.

 

Variants remain a concern, with transmission continuing across the province.

 

“I think I’d like to see, first of all, the government rise to the moment we’re in and show a level of urgency as well as identify what their vision and their plan is,” Furstenau told NEWS 1130.

 

“We have doctors who are speaking up about the high rates of hospitalization in ICUs, we have epidemiologists and experts who are saying that the trajectory could see us at 3,000 cases a day by the end of April, and we have a response from the NDP government that is underwhelming, to say the least.”

 

 

 

Furstenau says B.C. loosened restrictions despite rising variant cases, allowed out-of-province travel, and stalled in-school mask mandates. She believes the situation we’re in was a result of inaction.

 

Saying it can’t just be left to the public to deal with the crisis, Furstenau adds there needs to be a coordinated response and action from the provincial government “that shows they are taking the immediate and long-term threat of COVID-19 seriously.”

 

The Green caucus wants to see the mentioned measures enforced for a three-week period.

 

The party is also calling for a return to daily COVID-19 briefings, case numbers to be shared on weekends and holidays, longer media availabilities, and new public messaging to get the point across to those who flout the rules.

 

 

 

Furstenau says B.C. also needs to increase testing and vaccinations. That includes expanding testing to asymptomatic individuals and conducting rapid testing in workplaces, schools, businesses, and neighbourhoods; improving reporting on variants, and increasing resources at vaccine clinics to extend hours.

 

The Green Party leader points to other countries that took drastic measures to deal with variant spread.

 

“The other thing that I find quite astonishing is that we can see into the future, because other countries that have had these variants have had to take these measures in order to stop them and have stepped up their testing,” she said.

 

When it comes to enforcing restrictions on non-essential travel, Furstenau says the B.C. government can again look to other jurisdictions — some right here in Canada.

 

“In the Maritimes where there have been checks on travel, you could have people who are travelling by ferry have to declare, for example, that they are travelling for essential purposes,” she explained. “Again, for our government, particularly, over a year of being in a state of emergency as we have been in B.C. which provides government with enormous powers. For our government to say, ‘well we just can’t do anything about it’ is actually, frankly, quite shocking.”

 

The province has previously said it could not restrict interprovincial travel.

 

-With files from Monika Gul

 

 

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/04/08/bc-green-party-aggressive-covid-19-measures/

 

Although I was tempted to vote for them in the past (more as a protest vote than in support of their policies), I never really saw myself as a "green".  However, she speaks my language.  If only our government would take decisive action in the manner that she's suggesting.

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2 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

China needs the West far more than the other way around imho.  In any event, it's useful for both sides to have a boogeyman to keep the rank and file in line.

Just keep telling yourself that. Same argument a lot of pro brexit used. 
 

the Chinese economy is moving away from the cheap labour mass production for western economies and you can see an uptake in other areas of south east Asia where production is ramping up. Their population and their longer term initiatives with belt and road means it’s more likely that we need them more then they need us. Their sphere of influence is moving even into the Caucasus, they have a significant interest in Eastern Africa and are one of the largest funders of developing nations. Their ties are not just the financials but political as well. 
 

Mich like how the US leveraged it’s might post war to gain bases across the world China is similarly expanding its influence as well. 

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49 minutes ago, stawns said:

of course this govt just fed front line workers a line of bs to keep us quiet.  I'll probably end up getting it in my age cohort before I get it as a front line worker

stawns you know the government don't give a S*#T about teachers in this province.  The only reason you're an 'essential' service is so they can control the only source of child-care for most people in this province.  

 

My advice to you is to take the necessary steps to get registered for your vaccine as a member of the general public.  Do NOT rely on the government to treat public teachers in BC with any sort of special consideration.  

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14 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

This shouldn't surprise anyone unfortunately.  The statistical models have been consistent since the beginning - every time there is a school holiday (like spring break) there have been spikes. 

 

The sad part about this is that the government knew this would happen and did virtually NOTHING to mitigate it. 

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31 minutes ago, kesler_sedins said:

It seems like the "circuit breaker" is doing more harm than good, and increasing the number of COVID cases...

These infections likely would have been pre-circuit breaker.  We don't need a circuit breaker, we need a full kockdown

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2 hours ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Got my appointment today for 5G implantation.  Will happen later this month.  Hopefully fully vaccinated summer some time.

Does this mean that people can get a better signal if they stand beside you? :unsure:

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1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Nothing to see here... keep doing what you're doing, the numbers will go down by themselves.  It's magic.

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