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2 hours ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

 

Maybe it's the asshole streak in me, but I'm more inclined to propose that if they don't pay their fines, they should be cut from more than just a driver's license or vehicle license.  I anticipate that there will be idiots out there who will say, "fine, I won't drive then"; and will stubbornly refuse to pay.  You need something that's a bit more pervasive and necessary to really hit at them.

 

Something like... oh I don't know, like healthcare services?

Tack it onto their property tax bill.

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3 hours ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

 

Maybe it's the asshole streak in me, but I'm more inclined to propose that if they don't pay their fines, they should be cut from more than just a driver's license or vehicle license.  I anticipate that there will be idiots out there who will say, "fine, I won't drive then"; and will stubbornly refuse to pay.  You need something that's a bit more pervasive and necessary to really hit at them.

 

Something like... oh I don't know, like healthcare services?

I feel people will generally realize 99% of the population can't afford to do that at they probably live a long ways away and no way public transit would be worth the hassle. They will pay the whatever $500 fine and move on with their life. 

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1 minute ago, Russ said:

I feel people will generally realize 99% of the population can't afford to do that at they probably live a long ways away and no way public transit would be worth the hassle. They will pay the whatever $500 fine and move on with their life. 

The problem with that is that renewing a driver's license is not an annual requirement, so as long as they personally don't have to insure a vehicle, they could in theory have up to 5 years (or whatever the validity period of the driver's license is) to hold off paying the fine.

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1 hour ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

Except not everyone has to pay property tax.  :bigblush:

Force them to buy a house in Vancouver. They'll be broke in no time. :bigblush:

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19 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

If they did something like this here, I'm in.

 

https://www.wlwt.com/article/5-vaccinated-ohioans-will-be-chosen-at-random-to-win-1-million/36412658

 

5 vaccinated Ohioans will be chosen at random to win $1 million

Do you get more entries the more times you get vaccinated?  Asking for a friend.  :bigblush:

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B.C. hits pause on Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine for those under the age of 55

https://globalnews.ca/news/7726835/bc-astrazeneca-vaccine-pause-covid-19/

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Adults are more likely to report mild and moderate side-effects after mixing doses of the AstraZeneca and Pfizer Covid vaccines, a study indicates.

Chills, headaches and muscle pain were reported more frequently when different vaccine doses were combined.

Any adverse reactions were short lived, with no other safety concerns.

"It's a really intriguing finding and not something we were necessarily expecting," Prof Matthew Snape, from the Oxford Vaccine Group said.

The Com-Cov study launched in February to see whether a different jab for the second dose might give longer-lasting immunity, better protection against new variants or simply allow clinics to swap vaccines if supplies are interrupted.

The Canadian provinces of Ontario and Quebec have both said they plan to mix vaccines in the near future, amid uncertainty over shipments of the Oxford-AstraZeneca jab and concerns about rare blood clots. 

The study, led by the University of Oxford, has recruited 830 volunteers aged over 50.

It is expected to publish its first full results in June.

But preliminary data has now been published in a research letter in the medical journal the Lancet.

Feverishness. Percentage reported after second dose. Data showing percentage of people who reported fatigue symptoms after second dose .

One in 10 volunteers given two AstraZeneca jabs four weeks apart reported feverishness - but if they received one AstraZeneca jab and one Pfizer, in any order, the proportion rose to about 34%

"The same real differences applied for other symptoms such as chills, fatigue, headache, malaise and muscle ache," Prof Snape, the trial's chief investigator, said. 

"One things it's telling us is that you wouldn't want to vaccinate a ward full of nurses on same day [with mixed doses of different vaccines], because you might have more absenteeism the next day."

Fatigue. Percentage reported after second dose. Data showing percentage of people who reported fatigue symptoms after second dose .

In April, the study was expanded, adding another 1,050 volunteers to test combinations of the Moderna and Novavax Covid vaccines alongside the AstraZeneca and Pfizer. 

Headache. Percentage reported after second dose. Data showing percentage of people who reported fatigue symptoms after second dose .


The link to the study is in the article but good signs on mix and matching so far 

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Wow.  75%/20% by the first week of June is reasonable.  Usually the government keeps their estimates very conservative. 

30 million adults,  75% and 20% will require 28.5 million doses.  We are expecting 25 million total vaccines by the end of the month.  We probably will have 28.5 million by the first week of June.  Maybe a Moderna surprise this month.  

 

I guess you can also conclude that, if they are expecting 20% second doses by early June.  Second doses will be starting in the next couple weeks.  

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Let’s see what happens here then

 

 

Surge testing not stopping spread of Indian variant, sources say

Matt Cole

Senior Political Reporter

Surge testing in areas where the Indian variant has been found is not working, sources have told the BBC. 

The strategy is identifying lots of cases but is not stopping the spread of the variant, according to sources.

The variant is now being seen in lots of places, with few cases linked to travel, and case numbers have been "grossly underestimated", they said. 

Extra meetings of government scientific advisers - including the health secretary and chief medical officer - are taking place to consider the growing number of cases of the Indian variant, the BBC has been told.

It is believed stage three of the roadmap for easing lockdown in England will go ahead on Monday but consideration is being given to the question of whether social distancing rules could be relaxed. 

The BBC understands that Prime Minister Boris Johnson has already signed off on a reduction of social distancing measures – but a politically difficult rethink may now be under consideration.

There are now also questions being raised about the possible need to delay stage four of the easing - planned for 21 June - which would see all legal limits on social contact lifted. 

One of the key tests for unlocking is the emergence of variants - and the increasing number of cases of the Indian variant could have an impact. 

It is believed an announcement of a greater focus on outbreaks of the Indian variant could be made some time after 14:00 BST.

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21 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Regarding the license re-issuing the government is proposing

 

It works.  I like it.  Essentially the government is saying if you have fines, multiple fines and ignorantly refuse to pay them.  Come time to renew your license you will have to pay the fines prior to the government re-issuing your license.

 

This will literally affect a few hundred maybe a thousands or more people.  For most of whom the fines are still less than $300 or so.

 

This had lead to the screeching and baying of the idiocy who claim it is illegal, the judges won't enforce it, it's communism socialism and naziism all tied up in to one.

 

It will be a law, so it will be enforceable.  Communism, Socialism, Nazziism/Fascism....pick one.  Seriously, they are run counter to each other.

 

The saddest most egregious issue of this entire Covid debacle is how glaringly obvious it is that people are not ill educated, just inherently, willingly stupid

its a good approach. My only hope here is that some of them get caught driving without a license and they lose the ability to drive for longer. 

 

Take 2 seconds to put on a mask. Literally just stay on the couch for a week or 2. Thats all people are being asked to do, and yet :frantic:

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Just did a quick search to see how to appeal a covid fine, and received no help via "bing".

But there must be a way, otherwise the authorities could fine all of  us 16 times and eliminate the a bunch of the debt.

 

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1 minute ago, gurn said:

Just did a quick search to see how to appeal a covid fine, and received no help via "bing".

But there must be a way, otherwise the authorities could fine all of  us 16 times and eliminate the a bunch of the debt.

 

sure, you don't pay it, and wait for a police officer to show up at your door with a summons. You then go get to state your case in front of a judge who will look at you in disgust for wasting the courts time, and maybe pay even more. 

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10 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

sure, you don't pay it, and wait for a police officer to show up at your door with a summons. You then go get to state your case in front of a judge who will look at you in disgust for wasting the courts time, and maybe pay even more. 

Any judge that looks at me  or anyone in disgust, with out hearing evidence is an unemployed Judge,; thus we can forget about the judges feelings.

Just saying there has to be away to appeal fines, yet the method seems deeply hidden.

Take this idea of no car license if you don't pay the fine; the state/country/province is going to take away my means of making a living, prior to me getting in front of a judge to dispute a fine?

Getting pretty draconian.

 

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3 hours ago, gurn said:

Any judge that looks at me  or anyone in disgust, with out hearing evidence is an unemployed Judge,; thus we can forget about the judges feelings.

Just saying there has to be away to appeal fines, yet the method seems deeply hidden.

Take this idea of no car license if you don't pay the fine; the state/country/province is going to take away my means of making a living, prior to me getting in front of a judge to dispute a fine?

Getting pretty draconian.

 

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One of my dads golfing buddies was a judge. He told me judges look for who the a**hole in the room is and rule accordingly. If someone wastes time like this on one of these fines they will lose.

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3 hours ago, gurn said:

Just did a quick search to see how to appeal a covid fine, and received no help via "bing".

But there must be a way, otherwise the authorities could fine all of  us 16 times and eliminate the a bunch of the debt.

 

CBC touched upon it a bit in their news article at https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-drivers-licence-blocked-unpaid-covid-fines-1.6024309

 

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If passed, the Motor Vehicle Act will be changed to trigger an RTI or "refuse to issue" restriction to people with outstanding fines levied under the Emergency Program Act and COVID-19 Related Measures Act.

 
RTIs will be applied retroactively to unpaid fines, and notice will be served through ICBC ahead of a licence expiry or renewal date.

 

In March, B.C. more than doubled the base fine for COVID order non-compliance, boosting it from $230 to $575.

 

The fine for hosting or organizing a prohibited event is $2,300.

 

Drivers can appeal an RTI decision through the superintendent of motor vehicles.

 

The change is set to come into effect July 1.

I presume details on how to appeal will also be part of the "licence renewal" documentation.

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3 hours ago, gurn said:

Any judge that looks at me  or anyone in disgust, with out hearing evidence is an unemployed Judge,; thus we can forget about the judges feelings.

Just saying there has to be away to appeal fines, yet the method seems deeply hidden.

Take this idea of no car license if you don't pay the fine; the state/country/province is going to take away my means of making a living, prior to me getting in front of a judge to dispute a fine?

Getting pretty draconian.

 

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those would be the consequences of yourchoice to disregard the rules.  Dont want to pay the fine, dont do the crime.I have less than zero sympathy for these people.  In my eyes a line in the sand has been drawn in this pandemic and I have no more time for people who have put me before we.

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