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7 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said:

Yay!! Congrats Deb...been a long haul for everyone and it ain't over yet, but we are getting there day by day. Just need to get the people who are skeptical of the vaccine to take it, have a couple close people I know who "aren't in a rush" to get the vaccine...Sadly 1 of them is my best friend and the other is my cousin who has been applying to get a full time firefighting job, told him hey man...that is an essential worker type of job can almost guarantee any interview you get they are going to ask you if you have been vaccinated yet or are awaiting your 2nd jab. Don't think they would hire someone who is Unwilling to get the vaccine, but he is 21 so millenials know best right!?!?

Don’t be lumping us in with Gen Z :mad:

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40 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said:

Most jobs aren't going to give paid sick days as they know it will get abused even if it is legit. I know my boss won't do it, they are a small company who make good money but they don't give a crap about me as an employee and if i am not at work they consider that as negative value for them. It is sad and I never thought that is how they would be when I took this job earlier in the year, but i have to stick it out as I am not a post secondary educated person and I can't survive off a minimum wage job with a child arriving within the next month

And that's my point. I am paid hourly and I have bills and a family. Unless work is going up implement paid sick days, guys will still show up sick. Just read over my union book, nothing about sickness so be interesting to see what union says if guys ever get sent home that don't want to be or can't financially afford it. 

 

I can't wait till next negotiations lol, we got screwed on our last ones. I'm going up be pushing for a sick day system like my old work, we had 6 days but if you didn't use any the company paid you out the 6 and gave you a kickback of 2 extra days for not using (or generally abusing which long weekends were common) 

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2 hours ago, Russ said:

And that's my point. I am paid hourly and I have bills and a family. Unless work is going up implement paid sick days, guys will still show up sick. Just read over my union book, nothing about sickness so be interesting to see what union says if guys ever get sent home that don't want to be or can't financially afford it. 

 

I can't wait till next negotiations lol, we got screwed on our last ones. I'm going up be pushing for a sick day system like my old work, we had 6 days but if you didn't use any the company paid you out the 6 and gave you a kickback of 2 extra days for not using (or generally abusing which long weekends were common) 

It's really short sighted of employers to view things this way.  One sick employee who comes in to work can turn into several in no time.  If COVID's taught us anything it's that it's best to nip things in the bud rather than "after the fact".

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31 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

It's really short sighted of employers to view things this way.  One sick employee who comes in to work can turn into several in no time.  If COVID's taught us anything it's that it's best to nip things in the bud rather than "after the fact".

I'm sure it's going to be a big thing for next negotiations next summer. But for now it's not in the contract so we now Damn well we won't ever get compensated for any sick time unless we want to pull from vacation pay. 

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3 hours ago, Russ said:

Unless my work implaments a sick day program thats not gonna fly at my work very well.  Lots of times where guys are just worn out and their bodies just feel beat up and sick with winter weather and you can see people feel sick but no ones willing to take unpaid time off.  

Very good point. Hope this changes, but yes, I did not fully appreciate some of the struggles a lot of workers are forced to go through because of terrible sick day policies.

 

It's sad to see how so many people still need to decide between their own health or being able to pay off their bills. 

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I'm wondering how Covid vaccine passports will work.  I think we need them, but wonder if businesses want them?  Going to big events would be more comfortable knowing all attending are vaccinated too.  

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41 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I'm wondering how Covid vaccine passports will work.  I think we need them, but wonder if businesses want them?  Going to big events would be more comfortable knowing all attending are vaccinated too.  

Apparently Manitoba will have their own soon, can't remember where I read it but I did a quick overview read of what they were saying and seemed like it had holes in the plan they had to me anyway but I could be wrong.

 

We should have some form of proof that we should need to provide if we want to Travel, go to packed concerts/events etc. It won't be for life but it will be till Covid has been controlled or hopefully defeated completed at some point

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2 hours ago, Alflives said:

I'm wondering how Covid vaccine passports will work.  I think we need them, but wonder if businesses want them?  Going to big events would be more comfortable knowing all attending are vaccinated too.  

Well, we do have the BC Services card app that can access your records from the Health Gateway from your phone.  Your vaccinations are there.

I fully believe that for the next year or so that proof of vaccinations or proof of a negative Covid test from the previous 24 hours or less should be the requirement for attending events.  Period.  There are a number of places in the US that already require this.  MSG for one.  So the government should be working on providing a easy, and secure way to do this. 

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3 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Well, we do have the BC Services card app that can access your records from the Health Gateway from your phone.  Your vaccinations are there.

I fully believe that for the next year or so that proof of vaccinations or proof of a negative Covid test from the previous 24 hours or less should be the requirement for attending events.  Period.  There are a number of places in the US that already require this.  MSG for one.  So the government should be working on providing a easy, and secure way to do this. 

For the Canucks if they want proof of vaccination, they need to make sure its very streamline to get in the arena.  As next year will only have online tickets, they need to have a way to upload your proof to Ticketmaster.  So everyone attending already has their vaccine proof linked up with their tickets before they arrive.  Or season ticket holders can send proof right to the Canucks.  

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Thanks Reddit.  China not messing around.  China will get to herd immunity as fast as they can.  Our anit-vaxxer friends are helping China "win".  So ask them why.  

 

 

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01545-3

China is vaccinating a staggering 20 million people a day

Scientists are impressed by China’s juggernaut of a vaccination drive, through which it is currently administering nearly 60% of all COVID-19 vaccine doses globally.
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1 hour ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Well, we do have the BC Services card app that can access your records from the Health Gateway from your phone.  Your vaccinations are there.

I fully believe that for the next year or so that proof of vaccinations or proof of a negative Covid test from the previous 24 hours or less should be the requirement for attending events.  Period.  There are a number of places in the US that already require this.  MSG for one.  So the government should be working on providing a easy, and secure way to do this. 

The problem with the highlighted portion is that it's predicated on the assumption that everyone has an app-able device that can run that app.  That would preclude access to businesses and services to individuals who have been vaccinated but unable (or unwilling) to own or operate such a device, which wouldn't be right.

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50 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Thanks Reddit.  China not messing around.  China will get to herd immunity as fast as they can.  Our anit-vaxxer friends are helping China "win".  So ask them why.  

 

 

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01545-3

China is vaccinating a staggering 20 million people a day

Scientists are impressed by China’s juggernaut of a vaccination drive, through which it is currently administering nearly 60% of all COVID-19 vaccine doses globally.

But if the vaccines they are injecting are only slightly more than 50% effective, can they truly reach herd immunity?  Especially considering how large their population is, and the fact that they were for the most part able to limit spread (through primarily draconian measures, it should be said), meaning that there's a good possibility that they could still be a ticking time bomb waiting to go off if the efficacy figures are truly correct.

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1 minute ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

But if the vaccines they are injecting are only slightly more than 50% effective, can they truly reach herd immunity?  Especially considering how large their population is, and the fact that they were for the most part able to limit spread (through primarily draconian measures, it should be said), meaning that there's a good possibility that they could still be a ticking time bomb waiting to go off if the efficacy figures are truly correct.

Oh, but that is information that our antivaxxer friends don't want to admit.  Hence, another reason why we need to get to herd immunity ASAP.  

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8 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

The problem with the highlighted portion is that it's predicated on the assumption that everyone has an app-able device that can run that app.  That would preclude access to businesses and services to individuals who have been vaccinated but unable (or unwilling) to own or operate such a device, which wouldn't be right.

That's why I put the part that the government needs to figure out an easy and secure way to prove one's status.  I am 100% on board as I should be getting my 2nd dose shortly.  Fingers crossed.
 

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The anti-vax thing just keeps getting dumber and dumber.....

 

Yesterday at a hearing in Ohio a doctor promoted an idea (that she had seen on the internet) that claimed Covid vaccines contain "metals" (or metallic crystals) that make vaccinated people "magnetic".

 

Later, a nurse tried to prove the theory, using a key and a bobby pin. The fact that her efforts failed didn't seem to faze her one bit....:rolleyes:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/health/medical/an-anti-vax-nurse-tried-and-failed-to-make-a-key-stick-to-her-neck-as-proof-that-covid-19-vaccines-make-you-magnetic/ar-AAKTzFH?li=AAggFp5
 

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A woman testifying at an Ohio Statehouse hearing made a failed attempt to get a key and a bobby pin to stick to her neck Tuesday, frustrating her attempt to prove a conspiracy theory that COVID-19 vaccines make people magnetic.

The woman, who was identified as a nurse by the local news site the Ohio Capital Journal, was speaking at a hearing to promote the GOP-sponsored House Bill 248, which addresses civil liberties around vaccines.

Taking the stand, the unnamed nurse tried a practical demonstration of the conspiracy theory. Video of the testimony was posted by the Ohio Capital Journal reporter Tyler Buchanan:

The nurse said she took her cues from an earlier speaker, the conspiracist doctor Sherri Tenpenny, who wrote "Saying No to Vaccines" and had been invited to the hearing by Republicans.

Tenpenny had falsely said the COVID-19 vaccine could make people "magnetized," claiming that people could "put spoons and forks all over" and they would stick because of magnetic particles in the vaccines.

"You were talking about Dr. Tenpenny's testimony about magnetic vaccine crystals?" the nurse said. "So this is what I found out."

"So I have a key and a bobby pin here," she continued, proceeding to put a key on her chest, where it stayed. "Explain to me why the key sticks to me."

She then put the key on her neck, where it fell off. Trying the same thing with a bobby pin, it fell off.

Nonetheless, she said: "It sticks to my neck too. Yeah so if somebody can explain this, it would be great. Any questions?"

First of all, wow....it's hard to believe that people can be this gullible....:picard:

 

Second, fire both of them. Any medical professional that promotes such a ridiculous narrative has no business treating patients...

 

EDIT: Here's a link to the original story about the so-called doctor:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/anti-vax-doctor-mocked-for-claiming-that-shots-will-magnetize-people/ar-AAKSwKL?li=AAggFp5

 

It's amazing that these people manage to get through life....

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14 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

The anti-vax thing just keeps getting dumber and dumber.....

 

Yesterday at a hearing in Ohio a doctor promoted an idea (that she had seen on the internet) that claimed Covid vaccines contain "metals" (or metallic crystals) that make vaccinated people "magnetic".

 

Later, a nurse tried to prove the theory, using a key and a bobby pin. The fact that her efforts failed didn't seem to faze her one bit....:rolleyes:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/health/medical/an-anti-vax-nurse-tried-and-failed-to-make-a-key-stick-to-her-neck-as-proof-that-covid-19-vaccines-make-you-magnetic/ar-AAKTzFH?li=AAggFp5
 

First of all, wow....it's hard to believe that people can be this gullible....:picard:

 

Second, fire both of them. Any medical professional that promotes such a ridiculous narrative has no business treating patients...

 

EDIT: Here's a link to the original story about the so-called doctor:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/anti-vax-doctor-mocked-for-claiming-that-shots-will-magnetize-people/ar-AAKSwKL?li=AAggFp5

 

It's amazing that these people manage to get through life....

This is what scares me with the notion that soon the border will be opening and allowing these folks from entering, and like Canadians traveling the World. The only way to stop it is through vaccination passports. We've got our share of these "doctors" here in BC too. I guess "freedom of speech" is how they roll.

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On 6/9/2021 at 12:42 AM, Russ said:

And that's my point. I am paid hourly and I have bills and a family. Unless work is going up implement paid sick days, guys will still show up sick. Just read over my union book, nothing about sickness so be interesting to see what union says if guys ever get sent home that don't want to be or can't financially afford it. 

 

I can't wait till next negotiations lol, we got screwed on our last ones. I'm going up be pushing for a sick day system like my old work, we had 6 days but if you didn't use any the company paid you out the 6 and gave you a kickback of 2 extra days for not using (or generally abusing which long weekends were common) 

That’s not pushing far enough, most places in the UK I have work have paid sick leave, and the policies often are based on length of service giving you more cover.

 

I know when I left an old work place I had the service that meant I would get 6 months full pay if sick, 3 months 75% and another 3 at 50%
 

if you are sick you self certify up to a week, after that you need a doctors note.

 

do some abuse it yes, but it also meant that sick people didn’t come in and so productivity was a lot better for it

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