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2 hours ago, Russ said:

And that's my point. I am paid hourly and I have bills and a family. Unless work is going up implement paid sick days, guys will still show up sick. Just read over my union book, nothing about sickness so be interesting to see what union says if guys ever get sent home that don't want to be or can't financially afford it. 

 

I can't wait till next negotiations lol, we got screwed on our last ones. I'm going up be pushing for a sick day system like my old work, we had 6 days but if you didn't use any the company paid you out the 6 and gave you a kickback of 2 extra days for not using (or generally abusing which long weekends were common) 

It's really short sighted of employers to view things this way.  One sick employee who comes in to work can turn into several in no time.  If COVID's taught us anything it's that it's best to nip things in the bud rather than "after the fact".

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31 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

It's really short sighted of employers to view things this way.  One sick employee who comes in to work can turn into several in no time.  If COVID's taught us anything it's that it's best to nip things in the bud rather than "after the fact".

I'm sure it's going to be a big thing for next negotiations next summer. But for now it's not in the contract so we now Damn well we won't ever get compensated for any sick time unless we want to pull from vacation pay. 

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3 hours ago, Russ said:

Unless my work implaments a sick day program thats not gonna fly at my work very well.  Lots of times where guys are just worn out and their bodies just feel beat up and sick with winter weather and you can see people feel sick but no ones willing to take unpaid time off.  

Very good point. Hope this changes, but yes, I did not fully appreciate some of the struggles a lot of workers are forced to go through because of terrible sick day policies.

 

It's sad to see how so many people still need to decide between their own health or being able to pay off their bills. 

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18 hours ago, debluvscanucks said:

Fully vax'd as of today!  Woo!

How do you feel? Some friends are saying the 2nd shot has had more reactions.

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I'm wondering how Covid vaccine passports will work.  I think we need them, but wonder if businesses want them?  Going to big events would be more comfortable knowing all attending are vaccinated too.  

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41 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I'm wondering how Covid vaccine passports will work.  I think we need them, but wonder if businesses want them?  Going to big events would be more comfortable knowing all attending are vaccinated too.  

Apparently Manitoba will have their own soon, can't remember where I read it but I did a quick overview read of what they were saying and seemed like it had holes in the plan they had to me anyway but I could be wrong.

 

We should have some form of proof that we should need to provide if we want to Travel, go to packed concerts/events etc. It won't be for life but it will be till Covid has been controlled or hopefully defeated completed at some point

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2 hours ago, Alflives said:

I'm wondering how Covid vaccine passports will work.  I think we need them, but wonder if businesses want them?  Going to big events would be more comfortable knowing all attending are vaccinated too.  

Well, we do have the BC Services card app that can access your records from the Health Gateway from your phone.  Your vaccinations are there.

I fully believe that for the next year or so that proof of vaccinations or proof of a negative Covid test from the previous 24 hours or less should be the requirement for attending events.  Period.  There are a number of places in the US that already require this.  MSG for one.  So the government should be working on providing a easy, and secure way to do this. 

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3 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Well, we do have the BC Services card app that can access your records from the Health Gateway from your phone.  Your vaccinations are there.

I fully believe that for the next year or so that proof of vaccinations or proof of a negative Covid test from the previous 24 hours or less should be the requirement for attending events.  Period.  There are a number of places in the US that already require this.  MSG for one.  So the government should be working on providing a easy, and secure way to do this. 

For the Canucks if they want proof of vaccination, they need to make sure its very streamline to get in the arena.  As next year will only have online tickets, they need to have a way to upload your proof to Ticketmaster.  So everyone attending already has their vaccine proof linked up with their tickets before they arrive.  Or season ticket holders can send proof right to the Canucks.  

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Thanks Reddit.  China not messing around.  China will get to herd immunity as fast as they can.  Our anit-vaxxer friends are helping China "win".  So ask them why.  

 

 

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01545-3

China is vaccinating a staggering 20 million people a day

Scientists are impressed by China’s juggernaut of a vaccination drive, through which it is currently administering nearly 60% of all COVID-19 vaccine doses globally.
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1 hour ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Well, we do have the BC Services card app that can access your records from the Health Gateway from your phone.  Your vaccinations are there.

I fully believe that for the next year or so that proof of vaccinations or proof of a negative Covid test from the previous 24 hours or less should be the requirement for attending events.  Period.  There are a number of places in the US that already require this.  MSG for one.  So the government should be working on providing a easy, and secure way to do this. 

The problem with the highlighted portion is that it's predicated on the assumption that everyone has an app-able device that can run that app.  That would preclude access to businesses and services to individuals who have been vaccinated but unable (or unwilling) to own or operate such a device, which wouldn't be right.

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50 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Thanks Reddit.  China not messing around.  China will get to herd immunity as fast as they can.  Our anit-vaxxer friends are helping China "win".  So ask them why.  

 

 

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01545-3

China is vaccinating a staggering 20 million people a day

Scientists are impressed by China’s juggernaut of a vaccination drive, through which it is currently administering nearly 60% of all COVID-19 vaccine doses globally.

But if the vaccines they are injecting are only slightly more than 50% effective, can they truly reach herd immunity?  Especially considering how large their population is, and the fact that they were for the most part able to limit spread (through primarily draconian measures, it should be said), meaning that there's a good possibility that they could still be a ticking time bomb waiting to go off if the efficacy figures are truly correct.

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1 minute ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

But if the vaccines they are injecting are only slightly more than 50% effective, can they truly reach herd immunity?  Especially considering how large their population is, and the fact that they were for the most part able to limit spread (through primarily draconian measures, it should be said), meaning that there's a good possibility that they could still be a ticking time bomb waiting to go off if the efficacy figures are truly correct.

Oh, but that is information that our antivaxxer friends don't want to admit.  Hence, another reason why we need to get to herd immunity ASAP.  

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8 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

The problem with the highlighted portion is that it's predicated on the assumption that everyone has an app-able device that can run that app.  That would preclude access to businesses and services to individuals who have been vaccinated but unable (or unwilling) to own or operate such a device, which wouldn't be right.

That's why I put the part that the government needs to figure out an easy and secure way to prove one's status.  I am 100% on board as I should be getting my 2nd dose shortly.  Fingers crossed.
 

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The anti-vax thing just keeps getting dumber and dumber.....

 

Yesterday at a hearing in Ohio a doctor promoted an idea (that she had seen on the internet) that claimed Covid vaccines contain "metals" (or metallic crystals) that make vaccinated people "magnetic".

 

Later, a nurse tried to prove the theory, using a key and a bobby pin. The fact that her efforts failed didn't seem to faze her one bit....:rolleyes:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/health/medical/an-anti-vax-nurse-tried-and-failed-to-make-a-key-stick-to-her-neck-as-proof-that-covid-19-vaccines-make-you-magnetic/ar-AAKTzFH?li=AAggFp5
 

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A woman testifying at an Ohio Statehouse hearing made a failed attempt to get a key and a bobby pin to stick to her neck Tuesday, frustrating her attempt to prove a conspiracy theory that COVID-19 vaccines make people magnetic.

The woman, who was identified as a nurse by the local news site the Ohio Capital Journal, was speaking at a hearing to promote the GOP-sponsored House Bill 248, which addresses civil liberties around vaccines.

Taking the stand, the unnamed nurse tried a practical demonstration of the conspiracy theory. Video of the testimony was posted by the Ohio Capital Journal reporter Tyler Buchanan:

The nurse said she took her cues from an earlier speaker, the conspiracist doctor Sherri Tenpenny, who wrote "Saying No to Vaccines" and had been invited to the hearing by Republicans.

Tenpenny had falsely said the COVID-19 vaccine could make people "magnetized," claiming that people could "put spoons and forks all over" and they would stick because of magnetic particles in the vaccines.

"You were talking about Dr. Tenpenny's testimony about magnetic vaccine crystals?" the nurse said. "So this is what I found out."

"So I have a key and a bobby pin here," she continued, proceeding to put a key on her chest, where it stayed. "Explain to me why the key sticks to me."

She then put the key on her neck, where it fell off. Trying the same thing with a bobby pin, it fell off.

Nonetheless, she said: "It sticks to my neck too. Yeah so if somebody can explain this, it would be great. Any questions?"

First of all, wow....it's hard to believe that people can be this gullible....:picard:

 

Second, fire both of them. Any medical professional that promotes such a ridiculous narrative has no business treating patients...

 

EDIT: Here's a link to the original story about the so-called doctor:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/anti-vax-doctor-mocked-for-claiming-that-shots-will-magnetize-people/ar-AAKSwKL?li=AAggFp5

 

It's amazing that these people manage to get through life....

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14 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

The anti-vax thing just keeps getting dumber and dumber.....

 

Yesterday at a hearing in Ohio a doctor promoted an idea (that she had seen on the internet) that claimed Covid vaccines contain "metals" (or metallic crystals) that make vaccinated people "magnetic".

 

Later, a nurse tried to prove the theory, using a key and a bobby pin. The fact that her efforts failed didn't seem to faze her one bit....:rolleyes:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/health/medical/an-anti-vax-nurse-tried-and-failed-to-make-a-key-stick-to-her-neck-as-proof-that-covid-19-vaccines-make-you-magnetic/ar-AAKTzFH?li=AAggFp5
 

First of all, wow....it's hard to believe that people can be this gullible....:picard:

 

Second, fire both of them. Any medical professional that promotes such a ridiculous narrative has no business treating patients...

 

EDIT: Here's a link to the original story about the so-called doctor:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/anti-vax-doctor-mocked-for-claiming-that-shots-will-magnetize-people/ar-AAKSwKL?li=AAggFp5

 

It's amazing that these people manage to get through life....

This is what scares me with the notion that soon the border will be opening and allowing these folks from entering, and like Canadians traveling the World. The only way to stop it is through vaccination passports. We've got our share of these "doctors" here in BC too. I guess "freedom of speech" is how they roll.

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On 6/9/2021 at 12:42 AM, Russ said:

And that's my point. I am paid hourly and I have bills and a family. Unless work is going up implement paid sick days, guys will still show up sick. Just read over my union book, nothing about sickness so be interesting to see what union says if guys ever get sent home that don't want to be or can't financially afford it. 

 

I can't wait till next negotiations lol, we got screwed on our last ones. I'm going up be pushing for a sick day system like my old work, we had 6 days but if you didn't use any the company paid you out the 6 and gave you a kickback of 2 extra days for not using (or generally abusing which long weekends were common) 

That’s not pushing far enough, most places in the UK I have work have paid sick leave, and the policies often are based on length of service giving you more cover.

 

I know when I left an old work place I had the service that meant I would get 6 months full pay if sick, 3 months 75% and another 3 at 50%
 

if you are sick you self certify up to a week, after that you need a doctors note.

 

do some abuse it yes, but it also meant that sick people didn’t come in and so productivity was a lot better for it

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Disappointing to hear from universities that they are still on the fence about letting people work from home or at the minimum employing a hybrid scenario. For entities to claim to care about wellbeing and the environment, it is completely contradictory to have people back in the office full time.

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1 minute ago, Tortorella's Rant said:

Disappointing to hear from universities that they are still on the fence about letting people work from home or at the minimum employing a hybrid scenario. For entities to claim to care about wellbeing and the environment, it is completely contradictory to have people back in the office full time.

I think for those employees where there are student-facing roles or instructional support roles, there's no avoiding a return to the office.  Most instructional academic offices can't afford to hire more staff to ensure proper coverage of in-person responsibilities (such as handling face-to-face student inquiries or setting up instructional or lab space), and the reduction in revenue due to this pandemic hasn't helped the chronic structural deficit issues most universities face.

 

Where there might be some hybrid arrangement are those roles that are more the administrative side, "central" roles as they were.  Employees whose work doesn't require facing students on a daily basis or don't need to support instructional or research activity in person.  I think you'll find that down the road, those roles will have some degree of "hybrid" remote working arrangements.

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On 6/7/2021 at 5:15 PM, Tortorella's Rant said:

UK questioning whether to reopen because of variants and everyone here is expecting things to be "normal" in a couple months.

To put into context though it’s just the last stage of restrictions they are debating. We already have lifted most, have small crowds in sporting venues, can dine inside again, meet other people inside houses and go abroad on holiday to green zone countries without quarantine, amber zone with a 10 day quarantine after. Can work back in offices, the last step was the removal of masks the limits on sporting venues (and allowing ice rinks and theatres to reopen) and removing the social distancing measures allowing hospitality to operate at full capacity.

 

but pretty much most things are already lifted.

 

the delta variant is causing some concern as its 91% of the cases in the UK with 7000 cases recoded today which was last seen in Feb. However the variant is hitting the younger groups harder as the vaccine program seems to have broken the link for the over 60s which are fully vaccinated.

 

the UK is down to about 25 year olds for first vaccine doses now

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