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15 minutes ago, Kragar said:

Are you aware of the stupid questions that get asked by politicians, of all stripes? And how often it is for show?  The reply to Gohmert, along with the smile, suggests she knew it was sarcasm.  It was certainly clear to me.

 

If you want something more recent, but equally political as your attempt, how about Joe wanting to help all the suffering Libyans north of Israel?

 

Or more appropriate to the thread, there are plenty of Fauci's statements that were so off base it wasnt funny. But, science, right?

 

I love the classic right wing defense for saying something abysmally stupid....."It was sarcasm!". Straight out of the Donald Trump playbook and in response to you initial question, we're closing in on 5000 pages in a thread mainly about Donald Trump, so the answer is a resounding "yes".

 

Regarding Dr Fauci, he was doing what he could to mitigate the effects of a novel virus. Novel means new, which means the advice changes as you learn more about the virus, it's effects and what measures to take to mitigate those effects.

 

Meanwhile, we've known for quite a while that the US Forest service doesn't have the ability to alter the orbit of the moon. At least most of us do.

 

But hey, if whataboutism is the best you can do to defend one of your boys' unbelievably stupid comments, do carry on....you still haven't gotten to Leo Dicaprio or Greta Thunberg...

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Just now, RUPERTKBD said:

I love the classic right wing defense for saying something abysmally stupid....."It was sarcasm!". Straight out of the Donald Trump playbook and in response to you initial question, we're closing in on 5000 pages in a thread mainly about Donald Trump, so the answer is a resounding "yes".

 

Regarding Dr Fauci, he was doing what he could to mitigate the effects of a novel virus. Novel means new, which means the advice changes as you learn more about the virus, it's effects and what measures to take to mitigate those effects.

 

Meanwhile, we've known for quite a while that the US Forest service doesn't have the ability to alter the orbit of the moon. At least most of us do.

 

But hey, if whataboutism is the best you can do to defend one of your boys' unbelievably stupid comments, do carry on....you still haven't gotten to Leo Dicaprio or Greta Thunberg...

Your reply beat my edit, but I added Hank Johnson's question about Guam capsizing if we put more troops there.  Pray tell how this is different than Gohmert.  His staff had no better defense than I gave for Gohmert.

 

Was Fauci mitigating the virus when he told us not to worry about it, and we should pay more attention to the flu?    Was he mitigating the virus when he wouldn't even consider the hypothesis about a lab leak?  

 

I think you've missed the memo.  Whataboutism is back in vogue, now that Biden is in office. Gotta protect him by criticizing Trump, right?

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1 hour ago, Kragar said:

Your reply beat my edit, but I added Hank Johnson's question about Guam capsizing if we put more troops there.  Pray tell how this is different than Gohmert.  His staff had no better defense than I gave for Gohmert.

 

Was Fauci mitigating the virus when he told us not to worry about it, and we should pay more attention to the flu?    Was he mitigating the virus when he wouldn't even consider the hypothesis about a lab leak?  

 

I think you've missed the memo.  Whataboutism is back in vogue, now that Biden is in office. Gotta protect him by criticizing Trump, right?

I wish you'd source your claims, so I wouldn't have to waste a bunch of time trying to find out if what you're claiming actually happened or not....

 

This is what I found on the Fauci claim: https://www.statesman.com/news/20200429/fact-check-did-fauci-say-coronavirus-was-lsquonothing-to-worry-aboutrsquo
 

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Fauci reiterated that COVID-19 “isn’t something the American people need to worry about or be frightened about” because, at the time, it was centered in China and the U.S. could screen travelers from that nation.

But Fauci also twice described the virus as “an evolving situation,” and said, “Every day, we have to look at it very carefully.”

Jurisprudence

 

On April 13, PolitiFact examined a tweet by Republican DeAnna Lorraine, an unsuccessful California congressional candidate. She said Fauci “was telling people on February 29th that there was nothing to worry about and (COVID-19) posed no threat to the US public at large.”

Lorraine’s statement was ruled Mostly False. Although Fauci said that day he saw no immediate need for social distancing, PolitiFact noted that his comments were “filled with caveats that the situation could change.” And contrary to Lorraine’s tweet, Fauci’s didn’t say then “there was nothing to worry about.”

 

I think it's pretty clear that at the time, he felt there was nothing for Americans to worry about, because the virus had not yet become a global pandemic. However, he was also pretty clear in saying that the situation could change. I suppose he can be criticized for not being able to tell the future, but I'll leave that to people like you and Tucker Carlson....

 

As far as criticizing Trump goes, it was his 4 years of lies, denial and rolling back of environmental regulation that set the entire process back, so I'd say that criticism of him and his enablers like Gohmert is on point. If you have a specific criticism of Joe Biden, fill your boots and I'll agree, or disagree, depending on whatever point you're making.

 

Also the fact that LG was using his stupid remark to try and downplay the reality of Anthropogenic Climate Change makes it somewhat more consequential than someone saying that an island might tip over, whether he meant the remark literally or figuratively, IMO....YMMV...

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Just now, RUPERTKBD said:

I wish you'd source your claims, so I wouldn't have to waste a bunch of time trying to find out if what you're claiming actually happened or not....

 

This is what I found on the Fauci claim: https://www.statesman.com/news/20200429/fact-check-did-fauci-say-coronavirus-was-lsquonothing-to-worry-aboutrsquo
 

I think it's pretty clear that at the time, he felt there was nothing for Americans to worry about, because the virus had not yet become a global pandemic. However, he was also pretty clear in saying that the situation could change. I suppose he can be criticized for not being able to tell the future, but I'll leave that to people like you and Tucker Carlson....

 

As far as criticizing Trump goes, it was his 4 years of lies, denial and rolling back of environmental regulation that set the entire process back, so I'd say that criticism of him and his enablers like Gohmert is on point. If you have a specific criticism of Joe Biden, fill your boots and I'll agree, or disagree, depending on whatever point you're making.

 

Also the fact that LG was using his stupid remark to try and downplay the reality of Anthropogenic Climate Change makes it somewhat more consequential than someone saying that an island might tip over, whether he meant the remark literally or figuratively, IMO....YMMV...

Sorry, fair point.  here is the one for Hank: https://www.cnet.com/news/congressmans-island-capsizing-query-goes-viral/.  When it came to Fauci, I figured it was all fresh enough, but my bad.

 

You charge me with making excuses for Gohmert, and I give you an equally absurd comment by Johnson, that his staff defended as metaphorical.  You were quick to jump on Gohmert, and I tried to take you off the high horse for a bit.  Spur made a valid comment, and you had some political fun with it.  So did I.  Ultimately, we both agreed with him (Spur, that is :)).

 

The rest, to which we could both add numerous topics, just goes to show that "science" can make the words of smart people truly idiotic, especially when abused for political reasons. How often have we heard that extremely unscientific phrase "the science is settled"?  How often is it parroted?  And when it comes to politicians, there are those on both sides of the aisle who can't seem to stop spewing idiocy, despite their college degrees

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Seen some comments here about the 2nd shot.  Do people normally get their second from a different brand than their first?  I'm up for my second soon, and just figured it would be from the same manufacturer.  Is there reasoning behind having it come from a different one?

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26 minutes ago, Kragar said:

Seen some comments here about the 2nd shot.  Do people normally get their second from a different brand than their first?  I'm up for my second soon, and just figured it would be from the same manufacturer.  Is there reasoning behind having it come from a different one?

Should be the same dose for both Unless you got an AstraZeneca then you have the option of getting another dose of that or 1 of Pfizer/Moderna depending what is available when you go in for dose 2

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26 minutes ago, Kragar said:

Seen some comments here about the 2nd shot.  Do people normally get their second from a different brand than their first?  I'm up for my second soon, and just figured it would be from the same manufacturer.  Is there reasoning behind having it come from a different one?

Limited supply of Moderna up here.

 

I also here people that for the AZ shot are being advised that their 2nd dose will be either Pfizer or Moderna now

 

Pfizer, Moderna vaccines now preferred second dose for AstraZeneca recipients: NACI - Canada News - Castanet.net 

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11 minutes ago, Chicken. said:

Limited supply of Moderna up here.

 

I also here people that for the AZ shot are being advised that their 2nd dose will be either Pfizer or Moderna now

 

Pfizer, Moderna vaccines now preferred second dose for AstraZeneca recipients: NACI - Canada News - Castanet.net 

Now its sort of the reverse, we will have way more Moderna on hand and less Pfizer in early July.  With the 9.5 million Moderna we are getting this month, that's enough to give all the people that got a Moderna first dose, all the AZ people who want an mRNA for their second dose, and use it for all new first doses, and still have lots left.  With the reduced Pfizer in early July, I wonder if they will want to do some Pfizer first dose with Moderna second to speed second doses up as fast as possible.  Otherwise we will have a bunch of unused Moderna, waiting for more adults to get their first dose and that has slowed down already.  

 

Its going to be interesting to see how fast they can get all this Moderna into arms with this huge amount coming in.  Canada did 505,000 today.  We could go way higher.  

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Took me till this moring to feel better, after that Moderna shot. Mixing caused more minor/discomforting symptoms than just getting the same thing done twice.

I'm happy that it is over, for now anyway, and do like the idea of the mix.

1 old tech style shot and 1 new tech shot.

 

Noticed today that I keep forgeting my mask at one particular store, get inside and think "Ohh not again".  Dig a mask out of my pocket and put it on.

Store must feel too much like home.

 

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20 minutes ago, gurn said:

Took me till this moring to feel better, after that Moderna shot. Mixing caused more minor/discomforting symptoms than just getting the same thing done twice.

I'm happy that it is over, for now anyway, and do like the idea of the mix.

1 old tech style shot and 1 new tech shot.

 

Noticed today that I keep forgeting my mask at one particular store, get inside and think "Ohh not again".  Dig a mask out of my pocket and put it on.

Store must feel too much like home.

 

Clearly you need a steel-lined one, since the shots are supposed to increase your magnetism...  :lol::lol::blink::picard:

 

 

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3 hours ago, Kragar said:

Seen some comments here about the 2nd shot.  Do people normally get their second from a different brand than their first?  I'm up for my second soon, and just figured it would be from the same manufacturer.  Is there reasoning behind having it come from a different one?

I had Moderns as the first shot and Pfizer as the second

No side effects whatsoever 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Silent Man said:

I had Moderns as the first shot and Pfizer as the second

No side effects whatsoever 

 

 

 

Nice.  Had Pfizer for my first.  Fingers crossed I'm as lucky as you were.

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10 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

this seems lame.

 

Broadway show off limits to those who got AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/7960620/covid-springsteen-on-broadway-vaccines-astrazeneca-passport/

it seems uninformed. I got my first shot as AZ and the second one likely Pfizer, so does that mean I get to sit in the balcony? 

 

I wonder what would possibly be driving this decision? seems like a knee jerk thing. 

 

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30 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

it seems uninformed. I got my first shot as AZ and the second one likely Pfizer, so does that mean I get to sit in the balcony? 

 

I wonder what would possibly be driving this decision? seems like a knee jerk thing. 

 

heh, a cheap ass like me ALWAYS sit in the balcony.

 

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39 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

it seems uninformed. I got my first shot as AZ and the second one likely Pfizer, so does that mean I get to sit in the balcony? 

 

I wonder what would possibly be driving this decision? seems like a knee jerk thing. 

 

 

49 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

this seems lame.

 

Broadway show off limits to those who got AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/7960620/covid-springsteen-on-broadway-vaccines-astrazeneca-passport/

From what I've gathered, they were only allowing people vaccinated with FDA approved vaccines (that means vaccines with emergency use authorization).  AstraZeneca, surprisingly, hasn't been FDA approved in the US.  I think that they haven't received FDA approval because of issues with their data for US approval.  

 

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/astrazeneca-weighs-seeking-full-u-s-approval-for-covid-shot-skipping-emergency-use-application-11620423584

AstraZeneca Weighs Seeking Full U.S. Approval for Covid Shot, Skipping Emergency-Use Application

British drugmaker faces challenges gathering data; may wait to apply for full approval by the FDA, which takes longer

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