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So not mandating masks/social distancing/vaccination means a bunch of employees get sick from the 'rona and a couple die.  The only employee who got vaccinated doesn't get infected.  

The thing is that this happened in the IT department.  

 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/22/us/florida-manatee-county-coronavirus-outbreak/index.html

A coronavirus outbreak hit a Florida government building. Two people are dead but a vaccinated employee wasn't infected

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5 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

The 1918 influenza was brutal. The grandaddy of all H1N1 viruses, and one of the most dangerous viruses ever. It was most effective on healthy immune systems of adults from 19-35 years old, and estimated to have infected 1/3 of the population of the planet. 

I know another big factor was germs and not being able to disinfect proper things, they didn't have the medical advancements like we do now a days to properly disinfect and clean much back then. I read or saw last year about how a patient would pass away in the bed, but no one was there to clean or disinfect it after just the next patient would be on it, which had a huge factor in the number of deaths back then.

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8 minutes ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said:

I know another big factor was germs and not being able to disinfect proper things, they didn't have the medical advancements like we do now a days to properly disinfect and clean much back then. I read or saw last year about how a patient would pass away in the bed, but no one was there to clean or disinfect it after just the next patient would be on it, which had a huge factor in the number of deaths back then.

I think that had a hand in the spread, but the virus itself was much worse than Covid. Consider that there are over three times the amount of humans on Earth now, and that with transportation being omnipresent, the spread was far, far greater with Covid due to travel. 

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6 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

I think that had a hand in the spread, but the virus itself was much worse than Covid. Consider that there are over three times the amount of humans on Earth now, and that with transportation being omnipresent, the spread was far, far greater with Covid due to travel. 

Our travel advancements had a huge factor in the spreading of covid, but with the medical advancements we do have now a days has helped us more then it helped them with barley any. I know they had a hard time getting people to wear masks back then as well, but no one had disinfects like we do now a days to kill germs, it was a super spreader imo back then and it probably mutated like crazy and maybe why they reported so many people turning blue back then. That's one thing I haven't heard of really happening to people with covid which is really the only difference from the two, but there was a person on the news roughly a month or two ago who talked about their experience with covid to warn the younger people because he was in his late 20's I believe, but he actually said his fingers did turn blue while having covid. There definitely seems to be a lot of similarities imo to that virus, but I do believe or medical advancements in how to help people with covid and just killing germs has helped a lot as well, much more than it did back then when they didn't have this stuff like we do.

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Travis is ready for fans!!

 

 

Hi Neil,

On behalf of our entire team, I am writing today to thank you for your incredible support and to say we can’t wait to see you in person next season at Rogers Arena. It’s finally time to look ahead and get excited again.

I believe this young team is on the rise. They have shown character, skill, a strong will to win and we expect big things in the years ahead. I can tell you the players are committed to winning. We have a young core that wants to achieve greatness and we are going to support them in every way possible.  

We can’t wait for next season. To feel the electricity in the city for big games and to feel the energy in the bowl from our fans. To get back to playing fast, skilled, relentless hockey that earns us a playoff spot for years to come. Most of all we can’t wait to play for a fan base that deserves a Stanley Cup more than any other in the NHL. 

Coaching the Vancouver Canucks has been a true privilege and I am grateful for the opportunity to continue our journey together. I believe we will take another step forward next season and will pickup at the level we competed at in the playoff bubble in Edmonton. 

In the meantime, please stay safe, healthy and make sure to get your vaccine. We will see you back at Rogers Arena soon. It’s only a few months away and we can’t wait. 


Thanks,
 

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Are people ok with mixing Pfizer and Moderna because there are not enough Pfizer for 2nd dose.  You are likely to get Moderna as 2nd dose  in the next week or so.

 

https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/337797/B-C-has-a-new-workhorse-vaccine-time-for-Team-Pfizer-to-drop-any-brand-loyalty

 

“If you are like me, and received Moderna as your first dose, you are now likely to receive Moderna as your second dose. But many, many people who received Pfizer as their first dose will receive Moderna as their second dose,” said Dix.

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17 minutes ago, DonLever said:

Are people ok with mixing Pfizer and Moderna because there are not enough Pfizer for 2nd dose.  You are likely to get Moderna as 2nd dose  in the next week or so.

 

https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/337797/B-C-has-a-new-workhorse-vaccine-time-for-Team-Pfizer-to-drop-any-brand-loyalty

 

“If you are like me, and received Moderna as your first dose, you are now likely to receive Moderna as your second dose. But many, many people who received Pfizer as their first dose will receive Moderna as their second dose,” said Dix.

I am getting dose 2 Sunday, had Pfizer first.  I don't care what I get.  If they determine in the future a mix is less effective or wears off faster, just give me a third of one of them in Fall.  With the amount of Moderna we are getting the next few days, it really speeds up second doses.  As long as one of each counts as being fully vaccinated for travel around the world.  

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Well, I guess it's one way to encourage people to get vaccinated.

 

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Philippines’ Duterte threatens to jail those who refuse COVID-19 vaccine

 

Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte is threatening to jail any citizen who refuses to get a COVID-19 vaccine as the country grapples with low vaccination rates and one of the worst coronavirus outbreaks in Asia.


“You choose,” he said during a televised address on Monday. “Vaccine, or I will have you jailed.”

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/7969999/philippines-duterte-covid-19-vaccine-jail/

 

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1 hour ago, UnkNuk said:

Well, I guess it's one way to encourage people to get vaccinated.

 

 

Probably the best thing he's ever done.  He's an evil piece of garbage, but at least he's trying here.

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1 hour ago, UnkNuk said:

Well, I guess it's one way to encourage people to get vaccinated.

 

 


I guess he’s skipping over the carrot and going straight to the stick.

 

 

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14 hours ago, BCNeil said:

I am getting dose 2 Sunday, had Pfizer first.  I don't care what I get.  If they determine in the future a mix is less effective or wears off faster, just give me a third of one of them in Fall.  With the amount of Moderna we are getting the next few days, it really speeds up second doses.  As long as one of each counts as being fully vaccinated for travel around the world.  

I'm scheduled for my second dose this afternoon. I too had Pfizer for my first shot and I'll be just fine if shot #2 is Moderna....

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A bunch of people who said they "don't want to be a test subject for an experimental vaccine" seem remarkably chill about being a potential test subject for the COVID delta variant

It's mind boggling to me....the rationale behind not wanting the vax.  Uh, here's the flipside....good luck.

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3 hours ago, debluvscanucks said:

It's mind boggling to me....the rationale behind not wanting the vax.  Uh, here's the flipside....good luck.

It looks like there is now a new “Delta Plus” variant as well — which is more transmissible than the original Delta variant. The fear is that may cause a rise in cases once again, especially affecting those that aren’t vaccinated. Although, it’s still a bit early to tell how effective the vaccines are against this new variant.

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On 6/22/2021 at 4:49 PM, PhillipBlunt said:

I think that had a hand in the spread, but the virus itself was much worse than Covid. Consider that there are over three times the amount of humans on Earth now, and that with transportation being omnipresent, the spread was far, far greater with Covid due to travel. 

I've heard from a reputable source that Spanish Influenza is estimated to have been only slightly more deadly than COVID. The difference is medical treatment. This becomes apparent when the medical system gets overwhelmed in a particular location (like Italy at the beginning of the pandemic, and India most recently), and deaths rise dramatically.

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With cases dropping and more and more people being fully vaccinated, we're left with the "vaccine hesitant" crowd, who might be prime targets for new variants....

 

It'll be a hard lesson, but the reliance of some on "herd immunity" might just lead to a bit of a culling of the herd....

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Normally I think the National Post is a garbage source, but seeing as this article isn't about politics, I think it might clear some things up:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/pfizer-is-not-superior-to-moderna-and-its-perfectly-okay-to-mix-covid-vaccines-experts-say/ar-AALnS96?li=AAggNb9
 

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Dr. Fahad Razak was pulling into a Toronto vaccine centre last weekend when a woman, clearly frustrated about something, gestured for him to roll down his window. “They don’t have Pfizer,” the exasperated woman said. “They only have Moderna.”

Razak was puzzled by his encounter with the perfect stranger. “I’m surprised, and intrigued and curious about why there has been such a popular imagination, a fixation, on Pfizer as being superior to Moderna, when there is no evidence that I, or any scientist that I work with — and we’ve looked extensively — can find to support even the smallest claim that one is better than the other.”

 

While health authorities are reassuring Canadians that it’s safe to mix COVID-19 vaccines doses, and that doing so may even produce a more robust immune response, some appear to be rejecting Moderna for Pfizer.

Ontario pharmacies are reporting cancellations, walkouts, no-shows and lack of interest for Moderna, after Ontario and other provinces scaled up Moderna doses this week because of stalled Pfizer shipments. Not every pharmacy is struggling, but “we know that there is supply sitting still in pharmacies for Moderna,” Justin Bates, CEO of the Ontario Pharmacists Association said Wednesday.

 

Ontario has now received this week’s delayed Pfizer doses, and allocations are being sent to public health units, but with more Pfizer shipments expected to lag Moderna in coming weeks, Bates and others are calling for stronger public health messaging to clear up confusion about vaccine “interchangeability,” preferred brands and whether there is any downside to getting a second dose sooner than expected.

 

Razak, an internal medicine specialist at St. Michael’s Hospital in Toronto, is hopeful that only a small minority of the public views Pfizer as superior to Moderna. “There may be some brand recognition and recall happening,” he said. “I don’t know if that has influenced people’s perception.” His wife received AstraZeneca for her first dose, and, this past weekend, Moderna for her second. “I certainly would not be saying this publicly and doing something different for my family,” Razak said.

 

The no-shows and walkaways for Moderna don’t appear to be having a wide impact, infectious diseases physician Dr. Isaac Bogoch, a member of the province’s COVID-19 vaccine distribution task force, tweeted Tuesday. More than 207,800 COVID shots were administered in Ontario on Tuesday alone; most (88 per cent) were second doses.

But the brand shopping has health authorities across the country concerned about any reluctance to swap. The formulas may not be identical, but they are “extremely similar and it’s perfectly okay to get one dose of each,” Dr. Deena Hinshaw, Alberta’s chief medical officer of health, said in a series of tweets Monday. “We will do our best to make sure that we have both products available at our clinics, but sometimes that simply isn’t possible,” Dr. Bonnie Henry, British Columbia’s provincial health officer said.

It’s also crucial that anyone considering only one dose of any vaccine knows that one dose doesn’t quite cut it.

Early results from a Canadian study based on nearly 6,000 dried blood spot samples collected from Feb. 8 to May 17 show a “high degree of variability” in the level of antibodies produced by just a single shot of a COVID vaccine.

 

Approximately 10 per cent of people who reported being vaccinated with a single dose of an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), and 30 per cent of those vaccinated with Oxford-AstraZeneca did not show signs of antibody levels “above thresholds differentiating them from the population at large,” meaning the unvaccinated, Dr. Philip Awadala, national scientific director of CanPath, which led the study, said in a statement.

A single dose of Pfizer or Moderna produced short-term antibody levels more than one-and-a-half times greater than those produced by AstraZeneca. Antibody levels in people with two doses of Pfizer or Moderna were almost twice as high as those after the first dose.

The early results don’t include people who received two doses of AstraZeneca.

 

In Quebec, people still need to wait eight weeks at least between doses, regardless of the vaccine.

In Ontario, people must wait a minimum of eight weeks after a first dose of AstraZeneca, but only a minimum of 28 days after a first dose of Pfizer of Moderna.

Pfizer and Moderna were formally authorized for use 21 and 28 days apart, respectively. But the choice of three weeks or four “wasn’t based on decades of vaccinology,” said McMaster University immunologist Dawn Bowdish. “It was based on, what’s the minimal amount of time you can squish doses together to get everyone protected?”

“Pilot data coming out says, yes, actually, if you wait a little longer between doses you get a little bit of a bump in your immune response,” Bowdish said. In March, Canada’s vaccine advisors said doses could be spaced up to four months apart. With growing vaccine supplies, and the Delta variant spreading, the advisory panel now says second doses should be given as soon as possible.

 

The risk with Delta is that it can sneak under, and partially dodge the immune response in people dosed only once. As of June 22, 67 per cent of Canada’s population had received one dose of a COVID vaccine, but just 20.7 per cent had two. The gap, Razak said, needs to be narrowed

“We need to go hard and fast” on vaccinations, agreed Bowdish, who is a Moderna times two recipient, and who would have been just as happy to have had a Moderna/Pfizer mix. “And I would remind people that every flu shot you’ve ever got, you’ve never known the manufacturer.” Booster shots are highly likely in the future, “and I suspect in the long term we will not care so much. Whatever one your local pharmacy is offering is the one you’ll probably get.”

 

TLDR?

 

Pfizer isn't any better or worse than Moderna......and go ahead and mix vaccines. :)

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