Coronavirus outbreak

[King Heffy]

1 minute ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

They probably draw the line at accounting.  Too stuffy for their active tastes, and too much math.  

Fair.  The finance courses are pretty useful for protecting their earnings from the Eaglesons of the world.  That stuff should be taught in high school but that's for another thread.

[Kurgom]

24 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Fair.  The finance courses are pretty useful for protecting their earnings from the Eaglesons of the world.  That stuff should be taught in high school but that's for another thread.

I feel like finance and accounting needs to be taught to high school students, considering how obsessed the younger generation is with hating capitalism and insisting Nordic countries are socialist. It's such an attractive, easy solution to all the problems the west faces when you don't understand finance, I was the same way before my education.

[Ghostsof1915]

Unless they want to get into kinesiology, or sports medicine. Demko has a degree in psychology doesn't he?

 

[4petesake]

2 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

Well, there was that one fellow who put his NFL career on hold while taking the first flight back to Montreal to take up the profession of his studies - which was medicine.  Can't remember what his name is, but I've got massive respect for him, taking up the unthankful mantle of being a health-care provider at the beginning of the pandemic with no guaranteed end in sight and no way of knowing if (forget about when) he can ever continue his sports career.  It's been like 14 or 15 months now that he's returned to Quebec to care for the sick, and even if you're training daily, with that kind of workload, if you don't contract (or die from) the disease itself, your conditioning will still take a hit because you won't be training for football tackles and running endurance, but rather the daily grind of watching people possibly breathe their last breaths.

Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, Kansas City Chiefs. Imagine what he has given up in his career and life to do this and then watch as thankless people refuse masks or vaccination. Some give little or nothing - some give all.

[UKNuck96]

1 hour ago, Kurgom said:

I feel like finance and accounting needs to be taught to high school students, considering how obsessed the younger generation is with hating capitalism and insisting Nordic countries are socialist. It's such an attractive, easy solution to all the problems the west faces when you don't understand finance, I was the same way before my education.

The Nordic countries are an example of mixed market capitalism. (If anything they are less regulated than most American businesses) 
 

There is an element of state control over key services and industries with a strong element of social welfare and responsibility.

 

Norway is the most interesting one of the lot as it’s one of the richest countries on earth due to how it chose to manage the revenue from its oil income. a lot of what the Nordic countries have is strong fiscal management and a more collectivist approach rather than individualistic.

 

One way of looking at it is they are free trade countries where the risk is shared collectively, tax is flat normally around 45% so it’s not a progressive tax structure at all, however as part of that social welfare and collectivist approach that covers for the majority of public services including utilities, which means in your take home pay you get to keep the majority of it.

 

I guess the convergence of ideas is this - so you get to keep more of your take home pay but have to pay for services as and when you need them, or do you take home less but what you have after basic essentials (food and shelter) is yours. 
 

I think through the true success of the Nordic countries is that they can balance ideas from across the political spectrum and that they recognise the value from different viewpoints. 
 

The Overton window is vastly different to that of the USA and even Bernie Sanders would be far outside it in say Sweden. 
 

I think the issue also stems that in the USA politics is binary so this creates a very much us and then situation rather than in more pluralistic systems which helps create debate, discourse and compromise. Compromise is often seen in politics and weakness but often in reality it’s what politics should be about 

[King Heffy]

13 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Anyone who's gotten the second shot, did you find the side-effects kind of come and go. And in general you feel kinda loopy?

First one, just the shot, sore arm the next day. This one I'm feeling it. 

 

11 hours ago, King Heffy said:

Got second Pfizer yesterday.  Sore arm this morning, and a little digestive system issues.  Other then that all good.

Spoke too soon.  Day 2 and I got what you described.  Feels like I'm stoned from marijuana, but in a bad way.

[Ghostsof1915]

9 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

 

Spoke too soon.  Day 2 and I got what you described.  Feels like I'm stoned from marijuana, but in a bad way.

Exactly what I got. What's odd is it seems to be worse at night, and better in the morning. 

[RUPERTKBD]

14 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

So during the game they wear identifiers/wrist bracelets ? Do they get to play when not vaccinated and the other team can see that?

 

Seems weird. I wouldn't want to play with or against a non-vax, in fact I think a player shouldn't have to.

 

Though I am also not sure of the step to publicly label them. Seems like the wrong idea to me. I would rather, if you are not vaccinated you don't play.

 

14 hours ago, Alflives said:

I guess that’s up to the employer.  Lots of businesses will insist their employees get vaccinated, or find other work.  

We had this discussion in the NFL thread, after a coach was fired for not getting vaccinated. (Vikings OC, Rick Dennison)

 

@Fanuckmade the point that it's probably the CBA that prevents the league from mandating it with the players. That being said, Bishop is right. Who would want to tackle and unvaccinated opponent? I'm not really clear on the rules for players who refuse the vaccine, but I can't imagine they'd be allowed to play....

[RUPERTKBD]

14 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Anyone who's gotten the second shot, did you find the side-effects kind of come and go. And in general you feel kinda loopy?

First one, just the shot, sore arm the next day. This one I'm feeling it. 

I had zero side effects with both shots. TBH, I was a bit concerned about a lack of efficacy, but Dr @Jaimitostraightened me out. (as did my GP, who was the one who gave me my second shot)

 

I chalk it up to extreme age and the fact that I've probably had everything by now and nature is struggling to keep up with my history of infections....

[Ghostsof1915]

1 hour ago, RUPERTKBD said:

I had zero side effects with both shots. TBH, I was a bit concerned about a lack of efficacy, but Dr @Jaimitostraightened me out. (as did my GP, who was the one who gave me my second shot)

 

I chalk it up to extreme age and the fact that I've probably had everything by now and nature is struggling to keep up with my history of infections....

Rupert goes to corona.

I'm not locked in here with you. YOU'RE LOCKED IN HERE WITH ME! 

[stawns]

One silver lining to the resurgence of the delta variant is that it's almost sure to make vaccine passports a thing everywhere.  It's pretty obvious now that if you haven't gotten a jab, you're doing so willfully and nothing anyone says will change your mind.  The rest of us want our lives back........we stepped up, it should be the responsible majority dictating virus policy, not the selfish, irresponsible, whiny minority.

[BPA]

15 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Anyone who's gotten the second shot, did you find the side-effects kind of come and go. And in general you feel kinda loopy?

First one, just the shot, sore arm the next day. This one I'm feeling it. 

My 1st shot I had flu like symptoms the next day (tired, chills, fever, etc).  My 2nd shot I had no problems. 

 

Everyone is different and the vaccine affects everyone differently. 

[thedestroyerofworlds]

Abstract

Anti-intellectualism (the generalized distrust of experts and intellectuals) is an important concept in explaining the public’s engagement with advice from scientists and experts. We ask whether it has shaped the mass public’s response to coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). We provide evidence of a consistent connection between anti-intellectualism and COVID-19 risk perceptions, social distancing, mask usage, misperceptions and information acquisition using a representative survey of 27,615 Canadians conducted from March to July 2020. We exploit a panel component of our design (N = 4,910) to strongly link anti-intellectualism and within-respondent change in mask usage. Finally, we provide experimental evidence of anti-intellectualism’s importance in information search behaviour with two conjoint studies (N ~ 2,500) that show that preferences for COVID-19 news and COVID-19 information from experts dissipate among respondents with higher levels of anti-intellectual sentiment. Anti-intellectualism poses a fundamental challenge in maintaining and increasing public compliance with expert-guided COVID-19 health directives.

 

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-021-01112-w

Anti-intellectualism and the mass public’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic

[RUPERTKBD]

41 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

Are you suggesting that @RUPERTKBDis actually Chuck Norris?  

Sounded like Rorschach to me.....

 

"Give me back my face! Give me back my face!"

[Warhippy]

2 hours ago, stawns said:

One silver lining to the resurgence of the delta variant is that it's almost sure to make vaccine passports a thing everywhere.  It's pretty obvious now that if you haven't gotten a jab, you're doing so willfully and nothing anyone says will change your mind.  The rest of us want our lives back........we stepped up, it should be the responsible majority dictating virus policy, not the selfish, irresponsible, whiny minority.

My big fear is that all of our suffering, all the economic damage, all of this can/will be either extended or rendered pointless BECAUSE of those anti vaxxers who refuse based on selfishness

 

We'll all have to suffer for their petulance and they'll blame the government for it instead of taking ownership.

 

Get those passports out like France just did.  See what changes

[JM_]

3 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

My big fear is that all of our suffering, all the economic damage, all of this can/will be either extended or rendered pointless BECAUSE of those anti vaxxers who refuse based on selfishness

 

We'll all have to suffer for their petulance and they'll blame the government for it instead of taking ownership.

 

Get those passports out like France just did.  See what changes

you can already see people whining about how "unfair" passports are, how we should be respecting their choice. What choice, to knowingly spread a disease? 

 

the only thing thats going to change it is them catching an even deadlier variant and images of bodies stacked up outside of VGH. 

[Gurn]

5 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

What choice, to knowingly spread a disease? 

It is a crime to knowingly have AIDS, and have sex with an uninformed partner.

Seems like not that big a leap to do something similar, regarding covid transmission.

 

[drummer4now]

2 hours ago, stawns said:

One silver lining to the resurgence of the delta variant is that it's almost sure to make vaccine passports a thing everywhere.  It's pretty obvious now that if you haven't gotten a jab, you're doing so willfully and nothing anyone says will change your mind.  The rest of us want our lives back........we stepped up, it should be the responsible majority dictating virus policy, not the selfish, irresponsible, whiny minority.

 

33 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

My big fear is that all of our suffering, all the economic damage, all of this can/will be either extended or rendered pointless BECAUSE of those anti vaxxers who refuse based on selfishness

 

We'll all have to suffer for their petulance and they'll blame the government for it instead of taking ownership.

 

Get those passports out like France just did.  See what changes

 

27 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

you can already see people whining about how "unfair" passports are, how we should be respecting their choice. What choice, to knowingly spread a disease? 

 

the only thing thats going to change it is them catching an even deadlier variant and images of bodies stacked up outside of VGH. 

Except the federal government has already stated they wont introduce Vaccine Passports at the moment and let the provinces decide...

 

Ontario and Alberta have already said No as it violates ethics laws. 

 

Vaccine Passports are more of a European/American thing where the cases are much worse than here. 

 

[Warhippy]

38 minutes ago, drummer4now said:

 

 

Except the federal government has already stated they wont introduce Vaccine Passports at the moment and let the provinces decide...

 

Ontario and Alberta have already said No as it violates ethics laws. 

 

Vaccine Passports are more of a European/American thing where the cases are much worse than here. 

 

I need to provide proof of essential shots to visit specific countries I worked in.

 

This is coming or another locke down based on the selfish ignorance of the few.

 

Take your pick

[RUPERTKBD]

1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

you can already see people whining about how "unfair" passports are, how we should be respecting their choice. What choice, to knowingly spread a disease? 

 

the only thing thats going to change it is them catching an even deadlier variant and images of bodies stacked up outside of VGH. 

It's baffling actually....

 

Look at it like smoking. Yes, it's your choice, but there's a reason you aren't allowed to smoke in public places and around your co-workers....