Smashian Kassian Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Are these vaccines going to be good against further variants, beyond Delta? As I see there's already speculation there may need to be more doses. Doesn't seem like covid's going anywhere, if it keeps mutating to survive may we need more vaccines/doses? Or is herd immunity strong enough to ward off further variants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kurgom Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: Are these vaccines going to be good against further variants, beyond Delta? As I see there's already speculation there may need to be more doses. Doesn't seem like covid's going anywhere, if it keeps mutating to survive may we need more vaccines/doses? Or is herd immunity strong enough to ward off further variants? mRNA vaccines are really, really good. They get your body to identify and build an immunity to a disease by giving them the blueprints to the virus. Even if variants aren't identical with their spike protein, there is enough similarity in them that the body does create a response and recognize the variants as foreign in fully vaccinated individuals. If we could get every human an mRNA vaccine and two doses COVID would be gone in a week. But that's not feasible right now even if everyone was willing. People think vaccines aren't as powerful as they really are because recently, they've only been vaccinated against the flu, which is really really hard to vaccinate against because of influenza's unique characteristics. Edited July 29, 2021 by Kurgom 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 19 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Two shots of Pfizer. But man, did the second shot do a number on me. I'm still feeling effects 5 days later. So if it helps with the Delta variant that's ok. (I was confused because the nurses desk said Moderna, but my card and email says Pfizer) Me too. The brain fog is still enough that I'm not completely sure I'm ok to drive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 10 hours ago, MikeBossy said: WOW just WOW: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-to-remove-most-covid-19-isolation-testing-requirements-by-mid-august-1.6121002 Alberta to remove most COVID-19 isolation, testing requirements by mid-August Social Sharing Facebook Twitter Email Reddit LinkedIn Changes will occur in two-phases: Phase 1 starts July 29, Phase 2 in mid-August Nicholas Frew · CBC News · Posted: Jul 28, 2021 11:52 AM MT | Last Updated: 4 hours ago Alberta's health-care system has to start preparing for other health challenges, such as the seasonal flu, said chief medical officer of health Dr. Deena Hinshaw. (Chris Schwarz/Government of Alberta) 876 comments Albertans who test positive for COVID-19 will no longer be required to enter isolation starting in less than three weeks, the province's chief medical officer of health said Wednesday. The change is among a raft of public health amendments that are designed to help the health-care system respond to other emerging medical issues such as seasonal influenza, said Dr. Deena Hinshaw during a news conference. While a recent rise in COVID-19 cases has caused some anxiety, increasing vaccination rates are limiting the threat of severe outcomes and strains on the health-care system, she said. As a result, the province will start transitioning COVID-19 protocols to be similar to those of the flu and other communicable diseases. "When we first heard of COVID-19, we knew little of the virus and we had no treatments and no vaccines … Today, we are in a very different place," said Hinshaw. "Vaccines are able to drastically reduce the risk of not only contracting the virus, but more importantly, getting severely ill. From a public health standpoint, this has changed how we need to look at the virus." Alberta's health-care system has to start preparing for other health challenges, such as the seasonal flu, said Hinshaw, citing that there were zero cases identified last fall but officials expect that to change. COVID-19 spreading faster in Alberta than during peak of 3rd wave Changes to certain COVID-19 rules and protocols will take place in two phases, and they will be implemented over a period of a few weeks. Starting Thursday, anyone with COVID-19 symptoms or who received a positive test result must isolate. The quarantine period for their close contacts, however, will shift from mandatory to recommended, a government release says. That all changes on August 16 in Phase 2 when isolation following a positive test will no longer be required. It is still strongly recommended, Hinshaw said. Quarantine could be required in some "high-risk settings or for outbreak management," Hinshaw noted. Anyone who isn't fully immunized should avoid public places for two weeks, she added. Anyone who tests positive will be notified, but contact tracers will no longer notify close contacts of exposure. That responsibility will fall to those who test positive for the illness. Alberta reduces COVID-19 measures, cites need to focus on all respiratory infections 6 hours ago 1:41 Noting that “we will be needing to live with this virus for years to come,” Dr. Deena Hinshaw says it's time for the health system focus on the wide range of respiratory infections that affect Albertans. 1:41 Contact tracers will keep investigating cases at high-risk settings, such as acute and continuing care facilities. Outbreak management will also focus on high-risk settings, including "high-risk workplaces." Community outbreaks with a surge of severe outcomes will "be addressed as needed," the release says. Asymptomatic testing will no longer be recommended, but testing will remain available to people showing symptoms. "This will help reduce wait times and ensure timely results in the coming months," said Hinshaw. Mask mandates remain in effect when inside acute and continuing care facilities, or when riding in public transit, taxis or ride-share vehicles. Officials will monitor the impact these changes have and adapt them as needed over the next two weeks, Hinshaw said. Canada's vaccination laggard: Alberta trails nation with slow uptake for 1st dose of COVID-19 vaccines Universal masking will not be required in schools once students return, Hinshaw said, but masks can be used as a temporary outbreak intervention in response to respiratory outbreaks. COVID-19 testing, provincial monitoring, outbreak management in high-risk settings "and other key measures" will remain in place, the release says. Isolation hotels and quarantine supports will no longer be available as of the start of Phase 2. COVID-19 testing will continue to be available for Albertans with symptoms "when it is needed to help direct patient care decisions," the release says. Phase 2 slated to begin in mid-August Phase 2 of the province's transition is slated for Aug. 16, at which time most COVID-19 protocols will be lifted. Mask mandates will be lifted, though some may be required in acute or continuing care facilities. The province says masks won't be mandatory at schools, but could be recommended for temporary outbreak intervention. A document to guide back-to-school is being drafted and will be released mid-August. Masks will not be mandatory to be worn in schools as of Aug. 16, the Alberta government announced Wednesday. (City of Vaughan) Isolating after a positive COVID-19 test will no longer be required, but "strongly recommended," the release says. People with symptoms of any respiratory infection should still stay home until symptoms are gone. Isolation hotels and quarantine support will no longer be available. Testing will be available to people with symptoms when it's needed to direct patient care decisions. It will be available through assessment centres until Aug. 31, then primary care facilities such as doctors offices after that. Anyone with severe illness that needs urgent or emergency care can be tested in acute care facilities and hospitals. COVID-19 testing will be offered in high-risk outbreaks, such as in continuing care facilities and outbreak management and preventative measures will stay focused on outbreaks in high-risk settings, it says. The government said public health will focus on investigating severe outcomes that require hospitalization, as well as any COVID-19 deaths. Alberta won't offer 3rd doses to travellers whose COVID vaccination status isn't recognized Alberta reports 134 new cases of COVID-19, 3 additional deaths A wastewater baseline testing program will be launched during Phase 2 to see the trends in various regions and monitor coronavirus variants of concerns. "Testing wastewater has proven to be an accurate and valuable tool in providing early warning of a possible rise in cases," Hinshaw said. 194 new COVID-19 cases reported Tuesday Alberta public health officials are reporting 194 new cases of COVID-19 on Wednesday — most of which are people who have not received the COVID-19 vaccine, said Hinshaw. Since Tuesday, two more people are being treated for COVID-19 in hospital, but three patients were removed from the intensive care unit. There are 84 hospitalizations, including 18 in ICU as of Wednesday. There were about 7,100 tests conducted Tuesday and Alberta's test-positivity rate is 2.9 per cent. Of Albertans aged 12 and up, 75.6 per cent have received one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine; 64.3 per cent have received both doses, according to a news release issued by the Alberta government. Really wish we could close off the provincial border to keep these people out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 16 hours ago, MikeBossy said: meanwhile here in Alberta......... I wish Kenny would just be brave enough to come out of the closet. I mean look at this picture. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBossy Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Just now, Jimmy McGill said: I wish Kenny would just be brave enough to come out of the closet. I mean look at this picture. He would completely alienate his base though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Just now, MikeBossy said: He would completely alienate his base though or maybe change a few minds. Its well known, its too bad he doesn't have the spine to do it imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 11 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: I wish Kenny would just be brave enough to come out of the closet. I mean look at this picture. No wonder he, and this guy share a special relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Just now, gurn said: No wonder he, and this guy share a special relationship. Harper is trying too hard there. I just think it would be a good thing for Kenney to do. I get his base wants him to be quiet about it but thats not real leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 To be clear idgaf how people get their freak on, just would be great if people didn't feel the need to hide who they are, for fear of: lost prestige lost income lost time in a hospital from a beat down lost time from being killed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 11 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said: Same thing as when Fauci said masks don't work then later admitting to lying to the public about it purposely. (When a realistic solution was just tell people to make their own face coverings, ala scarves/bandana's/exc. which many ended up doing anyways) When did this happen? Can you post a source for that, because I don't recall seeing it......? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 18 hours ago, MikeBossy said: meanwhile here in Alberta......... Yeeeehaw, that flapjack is bigger than his hat! Small man, big hat syndrome! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 12 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: When did this happen? Can you post a source for that, because I don't recall seeing it......? It didn’t happen, so there can be no source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamhuis Hip Check Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 2 hours ago, King Heffy said: Really wish we could close off the provincial border to keep these people out. Cue drummer4now to come and whine about constitutional rights being violated for that 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 hour ago, RUPERTKBD said: When did this happen? Can you post a source for that, because I don't recall seeing it......? https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/washington-post-live/fauci-on-how-his-thinking-has-evolved-on-masks-asymptomatic-transmission/2020/07/24/799264e2-0f35-4862-aca2-2b4702650a8b_video.html https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-fauci-outdated-video-masks-idUSKBN26T2TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 23 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/washington-post-live/fauci-on-how-his-thinking-has-evolved-on-masks-asymptomatic-transmission/2020/07/24/799264e2-0f35-4862-aca2-2b4702650a8b_video.html https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-fauci-outdated-video-masks-idUSKBN26T2TR These articles aren’t about lies. They are about the evolution of science understanding a novel virus, and the value of mask wearing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 29 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/washington-post-live/fauci-on-how-his-thinking-has-evolved-on-masks-asymptomatic-transmission/2020/07/24/799264e2-0f35-4862-aca2-2b4702650a8b_video.html https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-fauci-outdated-video-masks-idUSKBN26T2TR Neither of those links support your claim of Fauci " admitting to lying to the public about it purposely". He admitted that he made a mistake, partly because they thought there would be a shortage of PPE and that they would be needed by medical professionals....and partly because they didn't know the extent of the virus' method of transmission at that time. You should actually listen to the interview... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: These articles aren’t about lies. They are about the evolution of science understanding a novel virus, and the value of mask wearing. 1 minute ago, RUPERTKBD said: Neither of those links support your claim of Fauci " admitting to lying to the public about it purposely". He admitted that he made a mistake, partly because they thought there would be a shortage of PPE and that they would be needed by medical professionals....and partly because they didn't know the extent of the virus' method of transmission at that time. You should actually listen to the interview... I listened to it, he admits the reason they were against masks + their effectiveness for the overall public was due to what they felt would be a shortage. Not b/c they were ineffective - he called that the "critical issue" just in that video. And even if they were still in wait and see more so than the shortage issue, this whole thing has been the ultimate exercise in the pre-cautionary principal, yet it doesn't apply here? I hyperbolized it initially, but it's effectually semantical. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Smashian Kassian said: I listened to it, he admits the reason they were against masks + their effectiveness for the overall public was due to what they felt would be a shortage. Not b/c they were ineffective - he called that the "critical issue" just in that video. And even if they were still in wait and see more so than the shortage issue, this whole thing has been the ultimate exercise in the pre-cautionary principal, yet it doesn't apply here? I hyperbolized it initially, but it's effectually semantical. I was looking and listening for the part where he admits that he was lying, as you claimed. It's not there..... No-one is disputing that mistakes were made. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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