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[Mj2345]

Florida hit record highs for cases and hospital

Edited August 2, 2021 by Mj2345

[drummer4now]

12 hours ago, johngould21 said:

Apparently the doctors and medical professionals are pushing back on this mandate. But hell what do they know? The little man with the big hat is an expert on this, so he says.

I wouldn’t trust him on his other main expertise “pipelines” either. 
 

Billions of dollars in the hole. 
 

Imagine if Horgan made such an error people in BC would never let him live it down. It be worse than the Gordon Campbell years or Christie Clark. 
 

 

Edited August 2, 2021 by drummer4now

[JM_]

12 hours ago, drummer4now said:

I wouldn’t trust him on his other main expertise “pipelines” either. 
 

Billions of dollars in the hole. 
 

Imagine if Horgan made such an error people in BC would never let him live it down. It be worse than the Gordon Campbell years or Christie Clark. 
 

 

Not a chance, Teflon John would not be held to account for it here, if he did a similar thing to AB or NB. Look at the things he's been given a pass on so far? I think people who support him here would keep supporting him. 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

On 7/26/2021 at 4:27 PM, stawns said:

Modern conservatives

 

Covid - "my body, my choice"

 

Abortion "BABY MURDERER"

Killing is against God's law.

 

Capital Punishment:  err, nevermind.

[MikeBossy]

On 8/1/2021 at 8:02 AM, johngould21 said:

Apparently the doctors and medical professionals are pushing back on this mandate. But hell what do they know? The little man with the big hat is an expert on this, so he says.

Supposedly its all the CMOH Dr (using that term loosely here) Deena Hinshaw according to my provincial Health Minister 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-health-minister-covid-lift-orders-1.6123883

 

Alberta's health minister says chief medical officer came up with plan to lift all COVID-19 orders

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Shandro says Hinshaw came to government with plan; Calgary mayor calls move 'height of insanity'

The Canadian Press · Posted: Jul 30, 2021 9:57 AM MT | Last Updated: July 30

 

Alberta Health Minister Tyler Shandro, left, and the province's chief medical officer of health, Dr. Deena Hinshaw. (Jeff McIntosh/The Canadian Press; Art Raham/CBC)

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Alberta's health minister says it was the idea of the province's chief medical officer of health to end isolation requirements for those who test positive for COVID-19 or who have been in close contact with someone who has.

Tyler Shandro said Dr. Deena Hinshaw came to the government with the plan. He said the government agreed with science and data supporting it and wanted to respect the independence of her position.

 

"It came from Dr. Hinshaw," Shandro said Thursday when asked about the province's strategy. "This is work that was developed by those who are in public health."

He acknowledged concerns about moving forward so quickly. "We have many different opinions in the medical community, and that's to be expected and that's encouraged."

He also said that while Alberta is alone in Canada in the approach, others will eventually follow suit.

"We are leading the way in moving to the endemic [phase of the COVID-19] response. We've led the way throughout in the response to the pandemic, quite frankly."

• Alberta to remove most COVID-19 isolation, testing requirements by mid-August

• Sask. health minister defends decision to not make self-isolation mandatory after COVID-19 diagnosis

Hinshaw has always said she presents scientific evidence, numbers and trends, but the final decision on how to respond to pandemic developments lies with the government.

Close contacts of positive cases are no longer notified of exposure by contact tracers, nor are they required to isolate. The government has also ended asymptomatic testing.

As of Aug. 16, individuals who test positive won't be legally required to isolate either — although it will still be recommended. Isolation hotels will close and quarantine supports will end.

Reaction to Hinshaw's announcement on Wednesday was swift and critical — much of it on Twitter. Opposition politicians, the medical community and private citizens all weighed in.

• Q&A
  Dr. Hinshaw tells CBC News there has been a 'dramatic shift' in COVID-19 risk to the general population

• COVID-19 spreading faster in Alberta than during peak of 3rd wave

On Thursday, Dr. Daniel Gregson, an infectious disease specialist with the University of Calgary, said the government's decision to end mandated isolation is irresponsible.

"The message we're sending is that if you have an infection with COVID, or think you might have an infection with COVID, you can do whatever you want," he said. "I would not agree with that."

Gregson said a fourth wave is inevitable, primarily among young and healthy individuals. "We are going to see a bump in our hospitalizations. The question is how much?"

Calgary Mayor Naheed Nenshi said it's inconceivable that Alberta is eliminating almost all of its remaining COVID-19 public health orders as cases climb in the province.

 

Calgary Mayor Naheed Nenshi said it's inconceivable that Alberta is eliminating almost all of its remaining COVID-19 public health orders as cases climb in the province. (CBC)

"It is the height of insanity," Nenshi said.

"It is putting the health of Albertans at risk to stop contact tracing, to stop testing people for the coronavirus and to become one of the first — if not the first — jurisdictions in the world to say that people who have tested positive, who are infectious, can just go about their lives."

Nenshi said if he were in another jurisdiction, he would contemplate travel restrictions on Albertans starting Aug. 16.

"I'm aware of no science that backs this up," he said. "Even the most fervent of the anti-maskers wouldn't say [to] unleash people who are actually infectious into the population."

Nenshi said he worries the decision to lift the orders is politically motivated and has nothing to do with science.

Concerns over return to school

Rida Abboud also questioned the province's motives.

Abboud, who teaches at Calgary's Mount Royal University and has a child starting kindergarten in the fall, said the governing United Conservatives are taking a gamble — and the odds aren't in their favour.

"I feel like I'm sending my child into the COVID Wild Wild West," she said. "It really feels like this government has no interest whatsoever in supporting families in ... diminishing the risks to anyone under the age of 12 who can't get vaccinated."

She's also worried about returning to the classroom come September. Abboud said poorly ventilated rooms and teaching an age cohort with lower vaccination rates is concerning, especially as it won't be known who is infected.

• Alberta parents question safety of sending children to school with no COVID-19 pandemic restrictions

• Why Ontario medical experts are sounding the alarm over Alberta's move to scrap mandatory COVID-19 isolation

"This government likes to gamble on a lot of different approaches. They've lost in many ways, and this is, I think, unfortunately another one," Abboud said. "It's just so shocking and saddening that it's on the backs of parents and women, in particular."

Opposition NDP Leader Rachel Notley urged the government to reverse course with necessary resources.

"This isn't fair to Albertans. It's not fair for them to be exposed and not know," she said. "It's also quite reasonable to keep asking Albertans who are infected to stay home until they are no longer contagious."

Notley said the changes will do little to encourage uptake of vaccines.

[Gurn]

49 minutes ago, MikeBossy said:

We've led the way throughout in the response to the pandemic, quite frankly."

Firstly, I'm not sure this statement is true.

Second even if true; it doesn't mean you led well, you could be leading people to their deaths.

[RUPERTKBD]

15 hours ago, Mj2345 said:

Florida hit record highs for cases and hospital

Edited August 2, 2021 by RUPERTKBD

[MikeBossy]

1 hour ago, gurn said:

Firstly, I'm not sure this statement is true.

Second even if true; it doesn't mean you led well, you could be leading people to their deaths.

Albertabama UCP rhetoric 101 - We're #1 We're #1!!!! 

[Gurn]

[Alflives]

14 minutes ago, gurn said:

This is so true!  And eating crap like this fast food too often is why we have an obesity crisis.  78% of those needing hospital care for Covid were either grossly overweight or obese.  It’s insane people will live the most unhealthy of lifestyles but refuse a vaccine that will help them.  

[higgyfan]

On 8/1/2021 at 6:51 AM, stawns said:

I can't believe I heard this right.  They can't possibly be this stupid can they?  And they're going to flood bc in the next month

 

"Chief Medical Officer of Health Dr. Deena Hinshaw, in her first COVID-19 update since June 29, announced Wednesday that starting Aug. 16, people who test positive for COVID-19 will not be mandated to quarantine anymore, but the province will recommend it."

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/local/calgary/2021/7/28/1_5527222.html

C'mon, Stawns.  Get with the program...it's herd immunity Texas...I mean Alberta style!

[BCNeil]

Canada had turbo lag.

[nuckin_futz]

*NYC EXPECTED TO REQUIRE PROOF OF VACCINATION FOR GYMS: NYT

 

*NYC EXPECTED TO REQUIRE PROOF OF VACCINE FOR INDOOR DINING: NYT

 

This will go over well.

[stawns]

54 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said:

*NYC EXPECTED TO REQUIRE PROOF OF VACCINATION FOR GYMS: NYT

 

*NYC EXPECTED TO REQUIRE PROOF OF VACCINE FOR INDOOR DINING: NYT

 

This will go over well.

I hope we do it here

[Whorvat]

1 hour ago, stawns said:

I hope we do it here

Disgusting.

[stawns]

1 minute ago, Whorvat said:

Disgusting.

That there are people willfully putting the public safety in jeopardy because they're not smart enough to recognize they are being manipulated?  I agree

[Whorvat]

Just now, stawns said:

That there are people willfully putting the public safety in jeopardy because they're not smart enough to recognize they are being manipulated?  I agree

Ah yes, they're the ones being manipulated.

 

Disgusting overreach of power by governments. Give an inch, take a mile.

[stawns]

20 minutes ago, Whorvat said:

Ah yes, they're the ones being manipulated.

 

Disgusting overreach of power by governments. Give an inch, take a mile.

[JM_]

1 hour ago, Whorvat said:

Ah yes, they're the ones being manipulated.

 

Disgusting overreach of power by governments. Give an inch, take a mile.

viruses are political. DIdn't know that. 

[Tortorella's Rant]

Considering Pfizer and Moderna increased prices for the vaccine in EU countries and then assert booster shots are required going forward, and that much of the government is bought and paid for by big pharma, and that neither entity takes any responsibility for possible short or long term side effects or negative outcomes from the vaccine, is just one reason why this idea should obviously be opposed