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12 hours ago, gurn said:

Indonesia with 1,759 deaths today so far

India                    596

Russia                 794

Brazil over 550,000 total fatalities

 

Peru has a 9.3% mortality rate

Mexico 8.5%

 

If they can't get vaccinated, in a hurry, they are doomed.

https://www.covid-19canada.com/

I wish Canada and the US would take all of their available supply and offer it to anyone who wants it, just so long as it's within a weeks....

 

After that, it gets sent to countries who need / want it...

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2 hours ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

Indeed, not any more, according to the other CDC:

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/coroanvirus-covid19-canada-world-july30-2021-1.6123663

 

The article goes on to discuss local and globlal pandemic issues and responses.

 

Of note, and to re-iterate:

and 

So in essence, the expectation was that the vaccine would keep coronavirus levels relatively low amongst the fully vaccinated vs. the higher loads that would appear in those who were partially- or un-vaccinated and infected.  The expectation was also that by keeping viral loads low amongst the fully vaccinated, the likelihood of them being spreaders would be greatly reduced.

 

However, the recent studies are showing that for whatever reason, this variant is still able to convince the body to generate massive amounts of virus even amongst the fully vaccinated (albeit with muted or diminished adverse results), and because of that, the likelihood of transmission from the fully vaccinated is no longer considered low probability.

 

A later article - and more dire - takes the CDC wording one step further:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/delta-variant-cdc-contagious-1.6124795

 

Specifically:
 

and

Both articles do also agree with your second point, that adverse outcomes as a result of infection from this "delta" variant amongst the fully vaccinated are greatly diminished.

 

So - for the people that consciously choose not to be vaccinated at this time, and have no medical reason not to get vaccinated, this is kind of the wake up call: "herd immunity" doesn't seem to apply to this variant, and your best chance at minimizing the adverse outcomes associated with being infected with this virus are by getting vaccinated.  If you have a medical reason why you can't - well, can't really be helped there other than to maintain social distancing and masking guidelines when interacting with the public (and why it's short-sighted to lift the mask mandate and make it a "recommendation" - where few people every truly listen to PHO "recommendations").

Yep and it’s why there is quite a bit of anger amongst the younger ages in the UK. They were at the back of the queue for vaccines and the older generation have been double jabbed and then clamouring for things to be opened up again, which means those which are vaccinated can go on holidays, go to events that were restricted etc but those serving them often are younger and are now being put at greater risk as most haven’t yet been double jabbed and won’t be until the end of august/September time 

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7 hours ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

Indeed, not any more, according to the other CDC:

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/coroanvirus-covid19-canada-world-july30-2021-1.6123663

 

The article goes on to discuss local and globlal pandemic issues and responses.

 

Of note, and to re-iterate:

and 

So in essence, the expectation was that the vaccine would keep coronavirus levels relatively low amongst the fully vaccinated vs. the higher loads that would appear in those who were partially- or un-vaccinated and infected.  The expectation was also that by keeping viral loads low amongst the fully vaccinated, the likelihood of them being spreaders would be greatly reduced.

 

However, the recent studies are showing that for whatever reason, this variant is still able to convince the body to generate massive amounts of virus even amongst the fully vaccinated (albeit with muted or diminished adverse results), and because of that, the likelihood of transmission from the fully vaccinated is no longer considered low probability.

 

A later article - and more dire - takes the CDC wording one step further:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/delta-variant-cdc-contagious-1.6124795

 

Specifically:
 

and

Both articles do also agree with your second point, that adverse outcomes as a result of infection from this "delta" variant amongst the fully vaccinated are greatly diminished.

 

So - for the people that consciously choose not to be vaccinated at this time, and have no medical reason not to get vaccinated, this is kind of the wake up call: "herd immunity" doesn't seem to apply to this variant, and your best chance at minimizing the adverse outcomes associated with being infected with this virus are by getting vaccinated.  If you have a medical reason why you can't - well, can't really be helped there other than to maintain social distancing and masking guidelines when interacting with the public (and why it's short-sighted to lift the mask mandate and make it a "recommendation" - where few people every truly listen to PHO "recommendations").

My gf and I were talking about this last night.  Will it sober up the anti-vaxxers or will embolden them to scream even louder "I told you vaccines don't work".  I think they're going to be worse and claim they were right all along

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5 hours ago, UKNuck96 said:

Yep and it’s why there is quite a bit of anger amongst the younger ages in the UK.

The irony of younger people still being upset does not escape me:

Generally speaking the young were ticked off that they were being quarantined and masked when it was a disease that only afflicted old and weak people. Now they now it will affect them, they are ticked that they aren't vaccinated yet.

 

 

NOVEL virus, so nobody knew what was coming, learning as we go.

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7 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:

I wish Canada and the US would take all of their available supply and offer it to anyone who wants it, just so long as it's within a weeks....

 

After that, it gets sent to countries who need / want it...

Any spare Vaccine, should go to our allies in the Commonwealth,  then NATO and then to who needs it most, imo.

Also need to give as much as we got from America- quid pro quo, so to speak.

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49 minutes ago, gurn said:

Any spare Vaccine, should go to our allies in the Commonwealth,  then NATO and then to who needs it most, imo.

Also need to give as much as we got from America- quid pro quo, so to speak.

So it will sit on the shelf and expire?  Anyone who isn't fully vaxxed in the US, by now, is doing it willfully, by choice

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37 minutes ago, stawns said:

So it will sit on the shelf and expire?  Anyone who isn't fully vaxxed in the US, by now, is doing it willfully, by choice

This was sort of my thinking as well, although I believe there still might be vaccine hesitant people in the US, as apposed to the hardcore anti-vaxxers. This is why I would advocate for a final push to see if those people can be swayed and include a hard deadline.

 

After that, the free vaccines get shipped off to places where they'll be used and anyone who changes their mind after that (In the US or Canada) pays for it.

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1 hour ago, stawns said:

So it will sit on the shelf and expire?  Anyone who isn't fully vaxxed in the US, by now, is doing it willfully, by choice

Their government sent us a bunch, so we owe their government; if Biden doesn't want it returned, fine give it to our Commonwealth and NATO partners, then the world.

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Two American travellers to Canada fined $16,000 each for fake vaccination documents

Sat, July 31, 2021, 4:58 AM
 

Canadian officials have charged two American travellers and fined them 20,000 Canadian dollars each - around $16,000 USD - for providing fake COVID-19 vaccination documents.

 

The unnamed travellers arrived from the U.S. in Canada the week of July 18. Officials from the Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) fined each traveller four times for a total of 19,720 CAD per traveller.

 

The fake documents consisted of proof of vaccinations and pre-departure tests; officials also cited the pair for "non-compliance" with government requirements for accommodation and on-arrival testing, according to a PHAC press release.

 

Canada instituted travel requirements in January that any incoming traveller must provide a negative COVID test before boarding a plane. Further, all travellers arriving by air need to stay at a government-approved hotel for three nights, or until they receive a negative COVID test.

 

 

The hotel stay can cost more than 1500 CAD, though.

 

The agency also stressed that all travellers are obligated to answer questions truthfully and providing false information is a serious offence.

 

"Violating any quarantine or isolation instructions provided to travellers by a screening officer or quarantine officer when entering Canada is also an offence under the Quarantine Act and could lead to a $5,000 fine for each day of non-compliance or for each offence committed, or more serious penalties, including six months in prison and/or $750,000 in fines," the PHAC noted.

 

The Canadian Border Service Agency (CBSA) said it is working closely with "domestic and international partners" to discover falsified documents.

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4 hours ago, gurn said:

The irony of younger people still being upset does not escape me:

Generally speaking the young were ticked off that they were being quarantined and masked when it was a disease that only afflicted old and weak people. Now they now it will affect them, they are ticked that they aren't vaccinated yet.

 

 

NOVEL virus, so nobody knew what was coming, learning as we go.

Different over here, with the closures and the furlough it was young people who were hit financially the hardest, at the same time they were asked to help out their older relatives, now when it’s the turn to help them they feel abandoned and again are the ones getting hit financially 

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Anywho managed to get out to our local rink which has only recently opened up, first time able to take my son skating, older than I would have wanted but it’s not been opened for almost 18 months 

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Australia is getting silly with their protests.

Watched some footage of the crowds acting dumb, trying to freak out the police horses. They should let those mounted cops gallop through the lot of them.

 

France is also hitting the streets to annoy each other. 

 

 

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7 hours ago, stawns said:

My gf and I were talking about this last night.  Will it sober up the anti-vaxxers or will embolden them to scream even louder "I told you vaccines don't work".  I think they're going to be worse and claim they were right all along

Of course, that's based on their misunderstanding/false association of vaccine = virus killer/snake oil (either/both).  Too bad their skulls are too thick to accept the scientific fact that vaccine = tool to minimize adverse outcomes.

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There's a trend going on about the strength of the vaccine, and how after 4-6 months the effectiveness of it drops which is pushing people to get a 3rd shot. About a month ago Israel claimed the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine wasn't 95% and that it was more around 64%, the vaccine companies denied this and didn't believe them. Well now the Pfizer CEO is saying it does drop about 4-6 months after 2nd shot to 84% effective and are pushing for a 3rd shot to hopefully bring the effectiveness back up.

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Bad, bad, news from the states.

Florida with largest one day total 21,638 over 24 hrs.

New Orleans 911 overwhelmed

Austin with just 9 icu beds left.

 

Overseas Tokyo numbers are up as well

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/us/covid-19-live-updates-florida-reports-largest-single-day-increase-in-cases-ever/ar-AAMzABZ?ocid=msedgntp

The United States is facing a COVID-19 surge this summer as the more contagious delta variant spreads.

More than 613,000 Americans have died from COVID-19 and over 4.2 million people have died worldwide, according to real-time data compiled by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering at Johns Hopkins University.

MORE: CDC backtracks on masks guidance for vaccinated people, schools

MORE: Statistics show the stark risks of not getting vaccinated against COVID-19

Just 57.9% of Americans ages 12 and up are fully vaccinated against COVID-19, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The CDC on Tuesday, citing new science on the transmissibility of the delta variant, changed its mask guidance to now recommend everyone in areas with substantial or high levels of transmission -- vaccinated or not -- wear a face covering in public, indoor settings.

 

Latest Developments

July 31, 2021

US reports another huge single-day increase in cases

The United States has reported over 100,000 new COVID-19 cases, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. There were 101,171 new COVID-19 cases reported to the CDC on July 30.

The last time the U.S. saw over 100,000 cases reported in a single day was nearly six months ago on Feb. 6.

On Friday, the CDC reported that the U.S. saw 86,000 cases in the previous 24 hours. That total had been the largest since Feb. 12, as the country began to come out of the surge seen in late December 2020 and early January.

Officials have said the delta variant is driving the increase in cases and continue to push the unvaccinated to get the shot.

 
July 31, 2021

Florida sees largest single-day increase of COVID-19 cases ever

Florida reported its largest single-day increase of COVID-19 cases since the start of the pandemic on Saturday. 

According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 21,683 people tested positive for the coronavirus in the last 24 hours.

Cases have risen sharply in the past month in Florida, fueled by the highly transmissible delta variant. On Friday, the state reported over 110,000 new COVID-19 in the past week -- the highest weekly increase since the start of the year.

 
July 31, 2021

Austin, Texas, has just 9 ICU beds left

Austin, Texas, has just nine ICU beds available for its population of 2.3 million, as of Saturday, according to the state’s coronavirus tracker. 

The Austin area is currently treating 400 COVID-19 patients in hospitals. The 7-day moving average for hospitalizations in a week has increased over 47% from 34 to 50 new admissions on July 30, according to an Austin Public Health news release.

“We are running out of time and our community must act now,” Austin-Travis County Health Authority Dr. Desmar Walkes said on the crisis. “Our ICU capacity is reaching a critical point where the level of risk to the entire community has significantly increased, and not just to those who are needing treatment for COVID. If we fail to come together as a community now, we jeopardize the lives of loved ones who might need critical care.”

 
July 31, 2021

New Orleans runs out of capacity to respond to 911 calls 

New Orleans’ EMS department has become so hard hit by the pandemic and the rampant delta variant, it does not have the capacity to respond to 911 calls, Mayor LaToya Cantrell said Friday. 

“One of our primary and premiere public safety agencies, EMS, was hit very hard with COVID, we’re experiencing that this week, today, right now,” Cantrell said. 

The crisis prompted Cantrell to issue an emergency contract to increase the city’s capacity on the ground, “because we currently do not have the capacity to respond to 911 calls that come from our community right now,” she said. 

On Friday Cantrell enacted an indoor mask mandate, which requires all people regardless of vaccination status to wear a mask indoors. The mayor also announced that all city employees will be required to be vaccinated, hoping the decision will prompt private businesses to issue similar orders for their workers.

“Our children are dying,” she said. “From 2 weeks old to 2 years old to 4 years old, you cannot make it up.”

She cited that the city has recorded over 1,000 new cases just over this past week. 

At the press briefing when Cantrell was asked whether she worries about losing employees who don't want to get a shot, she said, “Well I'm worried about city employees as it relates to death due to this virus."

-ABC News’ Joshua Hoyos and Will McDuffie.

 
July 31, 2021

White House says about 3 million received 1st COVID-19 shot in the past week

The White House offered a glimmer of hope in the COVID-19 crisis Saturday as the nation continues to grapple with the delta variant. 

For the first time “in a long stretch” the U.S. recorded four days in a row where over 700,000 COVID-19 vaccines were given out, White House Chief of Staff Ronald Klain tweeted Saturday. 

Overall, about 3 million people got their first vaccine shot over the past seven days, Klain said. 

-ABC News’ Joshua Hoyos

 
July 31, 2021

CDC director says ‘no federal vaccine mandate’

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Rochelle Walensky caused a stir on Fox News on Friday when asked, “Are you for mandating a vaccine on a federal level?” to which she replied, “That’s something that I think the administration is looking into.”

Walensky later clarified her comments on Twitter saying: “There will be no nationwide mandate. I was referring to mandates by private institutions and portions of the federal government. There will be no federal mandate.”

-ABC News’ Ahmad Hemingway

 
July 31, 2021

4,058 new cases reported in Tokyo, a 217% increase since last week

At lest 4,058 new cases of COVID-19 were reported Saturday in Tokyo, according to the city's coronavirus information website.

Of those cases, 95 are severe and three have resulted in death.

The new figure marks a 217% increase in cases since last Saturday.

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The above is today's news, the link also contains stories from yesterday.

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On 7/30/2021 at 4:55 AM, Russ said:

I don't believe from what I have read that it came from a lab but probably from those god awful wet markets, is anyone going to go and force China to shut those down to try and prevent this again?  I would highly doubt it.

If it is from a wet market, this is what, the 4th major disease to come out of there in the last 20 years? Of course China will never shut them down, or they will for a few months until everyone forgets like last time.

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14 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

just the term....wet market

 

can the name of a place sound any yuckier? 

Well, we have wet markets in Canada, it's just a name. The problem with the ones in China are the abhorrent sanitary standards for keeping live animals.

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14 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

just the term....wet market

 

can the name of a place sound any yuckier? 

I dunno... slaughterhouse is right up there, if not past it.  Abattoir sounds so much more... "elegant"?  "sophisticated?" ...at least less yucky than "slaughterhouse".  :P

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