Coronavirus outbreak

[Chris12345]

9 hours ago, coho8888 said:

Thank God my Tech Conference for my CPA  Association is still virtual.  While I miss the really nice lunches and swag, I would rather not be with a lot of people indoors right now.

 

Especially CPAs lol....

[EOTM]

8 hours ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said:

I didn't even know it was fox tbh I agree I'm not a fan of Fox, my mother sent it to me because she wants me to get vaccinated I'm going to get mad her actually because she knows better and even hates fox, but anyways regarding it being approved by the FDA are you acknowledging that part is true or ignoring it because it was a news report by fox?

 

That is legit truth though the vaccine has never been actually approved, it was only emergency approved for panic use, here read the definition. 

 

 

What is an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)?

An Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is a mechanism to facilitate the availability and use of medical countermeasures, including vaccines, during public health emergencies, such as the current COVID-19 pandemic. Under an EUA, FDA may allow the use of unapproved medical products, or unapproved uses of approved medical products in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. Taking into consideration input from the FDA, manufacturers decide whether and when to submit an EUA request to FDA.

 

I still don't understand how something that's not actually approved is not considered experimental, obviously the person over at Fox sees it like that, I see it like that, I question why is hard for others to see it like that tbh.

The paragraph directly under what you quotes is why it isn't considered experimental.

 

Once submitted, FDA will evaluate an EUA request and determine whether the relevant statutory criteria are met, taking into account the totality of the scientific evidence about the vaccine that is available to FDA.

 

it still has to meet the criteria based on scientific evidence. EUA is simply just another fast track however it still has to meet the same criteria just like it still had to go through the actual experimental (clinical)phases just like every other vaccine. 

Edited August 9, 2021 by EOTM

[EOTM]

8 hours ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said:

Funny you know exactly where I got that from, yes one paragraph taken out of the report, nothing altered or changed, copied right from it.

She might have known because I posted this earlier.

[stawns]

8 hours ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

When the Pfizer vaccine gets full FDA approval soon (by Labour Day by some accounts) and the Moderna vaccine gets full approval later this year, will Chuck then stop calling them "experimental" or will Chuck come up with some other excuse?   Just asking.

[Gurn]

At work I used to have a reasonably long list of things to do. Start from the top and grind my way down.

Every so often my Chief Officer would say 'Hey Mike, we need to get this done in the next few hours." I'd bump that task up to the top of my list.

I wouldn't rush or cut any corners, I'd just bump up the priority. So I'd do what he wanted, and get to the rest of the stuff after doing the priority task.

 

Simple.

 

Critically needed vaccine? Sounds like a priority task, to me.

 

 

 

[stawns]

Check out this article on microcovid budgeting

 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired.com/story/group-house-covid-risk-points/amp

 

 

Set your microcovid budget

 

https://www.microcovid.org/?distance=sixFt&duration=30&interaction=oneTime&personCount=2&riskProfile=average&scenarioName=60minShopping&setting=indoor&subLocation=Canada_British_Columbia&theirMask=none&topLocation=Canada&voice=silent&yourMask=basic

 

 

[-DLC-]

A huge wait at the Peace Arch today with people heading North as the border opens up to US visitors.

 

Too soon for me.  And maybe we should follow their lead?

 

Quote

It's not yet clear when the U.S. will reopen to Canadian tourists. Last month, the U.S. extended travel restrictions on non-essential travel from Canada and Mexico through Aug. 21 amid growing COVID-19 cases across the country. U.S. borders were first closed in March 2020 and restrictions have been extended monthly since then.

Last week, White House press secretary Jen Psaki said: "Any decisions about resuming travel will be guided by our public health and medical experts. ... I wouldn’t look at it through a reciprocal intention.”

Contributing: Bailey Schulz, USA TODAY; Associated Press

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2021/08/09/canada-travel-border-open-what-to-know/5532382001/

[4petesake]

DeSantis’ ban on vaccine passports takes a hit in Florida allowing Norwegian Cruise Lines to bar unvaccinated people from their cruises.

 

 

 

[-DLC-]

 

[RUPERTKBD]

Not surprising to see that the usual suspects (Cruz, Abbott, Desantis) are trying to distract from their own bumbling regarding Covid, by blaming the rising infection rate of illegal immigrants and blaming the Biden Administration for it.

 

When it was mentioned to Desantis that Florida does not share a border with Mexico, he resorted to pure fantasy, claiming that Biden is taking said illegals and "seeding" them throughout the US. That bastion of BS, Rand Paul, also took up the ridiculous claim, one can only assume in an effort to deflect any and all blame for the viral resurgence against science denying morons like himself and onto every Republican's favorite scapegoat: Mexicans....

[4petesake]

23 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

 

I can’t help but wonder if it occurs to anti-vaxxers that leaders of the most powerful armed forces on earth have deemed that every one of its members must be vaccinated. That would seem awfully foolhardy if the vaccine was risky. True anti-vaccers may never be convinced but for the vaccine hesitant how much more proof do you need?

[stawns]

11 hours ago, -DLC- said:

"Covid is fast becoming a virus of the unvaccinated" (just stated on the news as they're showing a story about a 15 year old who contracted COVID last year who is still experiencing new symptoms...severe bruising all over her body).

 

I'd say the virus is "experimental" and anyone unvaccinated is potentially a guinea pig.

 

The Delta variant is creating all kinds of new issues, presenting in kids who are too young to be vaccinated.  Sadly.  

And as of right now, it's back to normal in the school system

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, -DLC- said:

A huge wait at the Peace Arch today with people heading North as the border opens up to US visitors.

 

Too soon for me.  And maybe we should follow their lead?

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2021/08/09/canada-travel-border-open-what-to-know/5532382001/

There are no known cases of the lambda variant in Canada but many cropping up in the southern US by CDC reports.

 

For those out if the loop, the lambda variant is proving to be worse, far far worse than delta.

 

But yay cross border shopping...

[-DLC-]

Just now, Warhippy said:

There are no known cases of the lambda variant in Canada but many cropping up in the southern US by CDC reports.

 

For those out if the loop, the lambda variant is proving to be worse, far far worse than delta.

 

But yay cross border shopping...

Oh damn.

 

[Warhippy]

2 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

Oh damn.

 

I should rephrase that properly.

 

There are currently no known CLUSTERS in Canada but a few cases identified.  It is currently deemed as bad or worse than Delta in that very little is known but it is providing incredibly resistant to vaccinated people and showing the same or similar infection rates as the "delta plus" variant causing so many issues.

 

They say no need to worry but we heard this about delta 6 months ago and...

[-DLC-]

29 minutes ago, stawns said:

And as of right now, it's back to normal in the school system

 

[Alflives]

13 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

Oh damn.

 

From CNN

More than 99.99 % Of fully vaccinated people don’t get symptoms needing hospitalization.  

People need to get vaccinated, because this is now a pandemic of those who refuse to be.

 

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-08-09-21/h_9c6a79bada1c3b54c7d873635394a789

[RU SERIOUS]

3 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

 

Interesting.    I also heard a report about a month ago that they have discovered that a higher proportion of school age children were harbouring Covid Antibodies than adults, which debunked the myth that they were less likely to catch it and also reinforced the theory that children are actually amongst the widest group spreading the virus in communities which is what many have suspected for awhile.  Thankfully they have an extemely low probability of developing severe symptoms.  

[johngould21]

2 hours ago, -DLC- said:

A huge wait at the Peace Arch today with people heading North as the border opens up to US visitors.

 

Too soon for me.  And maybe we should follow their lead?

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2021/08/09/canada-travel-border-open-what-to-know/5532382001/

Far too soon for me too.

[-DLC-]

It's kind of infuriating because, just as we're getting a bit of freedom to get out and visit our province, we're being swarmed by "visitors" crowding the spaces.   My kids (one of whom is immune compromised with respiratory issues since birth) have been trapped inside and have stuck to that, diligently.  Ordered everything online and delivered to their door.  Worked from home.  NO going out. They finally are fully vaxed (as of last week) and have taken a well deserved trip to a local destination for a few days feeling a bit of safety and comfort (masks in hand mind you).  To a place that is a hot spot for "visitors" and many heading North from the US will likely end up in.  

 

This is why we can't have nice things.  Because our Gov't is stupid.

 

I want to avoid crowds for awhile yet.  So we stay prisoners in our own backyards so others can make use of these places.  It's not like before where you could just cram them in.  Yet...it seems we're hellbent to test that out.  No learning from past mistakes.

 

I feel that a slower approach and allowing this summer to be "ours", as earned, would have been the sensible move.  Focus on "after" the pandemic to open up.  And the bs about businesses shutting down?  That happened before the pandemic due to the cost of doing business here, it's not new.  There's a high turnover of businesses here (sadly).  I feel for business owners, but they have subsidies to help see them through.  Those should end right here and now if we're opening up.  I see crowds in places like Steveston and Granville Island...we don't "need" tourists just yet.  We have plenty enough heading over from Alberta (so many plates on the road).  Short sighted solutions miss the big picture....spikes in numbers mean shut downs in a rinse/repeat cycle.  So slow and steady will win this race in my view.