Coronavirus outbreak

[Mike Vanderhoek]

38 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Oh we've laid people off and reduced hours too.

it was literally my manager's thoughts when brought up. Sounded funny like, maybe we can do split shifts, drop some shifts, no heck lets just get one person layed off and see where we are at. This is in the veterinary field so I guess I should have chosen human medicine whoops!

 

The higher ups seem to think we are looking at 6 months minimum before things blow over and thats not assuming this goes endemic pushing things into 2021. So maybe just a little too much information/misinformation but when giant corporations are talking on that scale I would have to throw my optimism out the door for the NHL return this season ( because we all realize that NHL hockey matters lol ). Really thinking Canadians will come together over this but the government to me has dropped the ball big time.

[Gurn]

5 hours ago, Alflives said:

It’s killing the weak and sickly.  Those who are dying, like with any flu, have underlying medical issues, especially respiratory.  And these are numbers based on those who were tested, and were positive.  100 times more people carry the virus with minor or now symptoms.  

B.S.

52 minutes ago, Alflives said:

“About 4% of children were asymptomatic, 51% had mild illness and 39% had moderate illness. About 6% had severe or critical illness, compared to 18.5% of adults. One child, a 14-year-old boy, died.“

 

https://www.aappublications.org/news/2020/03/16/coronavirus031620

 

Evidence is conclusive that this virus attacks the older, and weak (already ill) people way more than it does healthy children.  

This is not “stirring the pot”.  This is the most recent data from China.  

We are creating a panic in our society amongst people who are in no way at any risk.  

So now you at least admit to being full of crap.

AS I have said at least twice to you---- YOUNG PEOPLE DO DIE FROM THIS.

 

"people who are in no way at any risk. "

 

Just when I thought you might be getting it you trot out total bs again.

[CBH1926]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

“About 4% of children were asymptomatic, 51% had mild illness and 39% had moderate illness. About 6% had severe or critical illness, compared to 18.5% of adults. One child, a 14-year-old boy, died.“

 

https://www.aappublications.org/news/2020/03/16/coronavirus031620

 

Evidence is conclusive that this virus attacks the older, and weak (already ill) people way more than it does healthy children.  

This is not “stirring the pot”.  This is the most recent data from China.  

We are creating a panic in our society amongst people who are in no way at any risk.  

You are starting to sound like Trump, unless you are virologist, microbiologist, infectious disease specialist etc. bolded statement is unsubstantiated nonsense.

 

Edited March 17, 2020 by CBH1926

['NucK™]

5 hours ago, Pears said:

So with the cancelation of gatherings of 50+ people in the province, does that include work places? I haven’t seen or heard a clear response on that. 

Shouldn't that be a given?

[Monty]

17 minutes ago, Darius said:

hey Monty, saw your post from earlier today...hope you and your family are ok...

Thanks. 
 

I’m sure everything will be fine. Or I’ll die. Either way, whatever happens is what’s meant to be. Just enjoying the time I do have on Earth.

[Alflives]

58 minutes ago, Cerridwen said:

Repeating it over and over is trolling for $&!#s and giggles, Alf. We all heard you the first time...the second....third....fourth etc.. You deliberately missed the point. Young people and children ARE dying*....even your quoted stats say they are. If it were your precious grandchild being 'culled' would you just say to it's parents, "No big deal, he/she was part of the cull" Try telling the parents of a child with C-19 that it's no big deal...come on, I dare you. I asked you nicely... now, please, stop with the 'cull' and uneducated 'herd immunity talk.
Who gives a &^@# whether it attacks older folk or immunity compromised folk more... the parents of a child with C-19 could give a $&!# at that point.

I KNOW you have a heart hidden inside your furry Alf chest somewhere...please use it....show a little Alf class and empathy...Educate yourself that the folks not at as great a risk are able to pass it on to the folks that ARE at risk. Please, Alf, enough already...let's just be prepared and responsible...not stirring the pot for $&!#s and giggles on a hockey message board. Your last post activity is passive/aggressive trolling. Please, just stop.

Covid-19 is going to get way worse before it gets better. It's ugly, it's nasty. Folks who have been on the VERY sick end and recovered are suffering long term damage to their lungs. We aren't there yet but there is going to be a time when this is all over and the long term damage to folks who have contracted C-19 and recovered will have to be assessed. Something similar to the Post-Polio Syndrome idea. This has only just begun.

*Correction: I should have said "and children ARE being infected and dying

Calling another poster a troll is against board rules, is it not?  Here is more recent evidence showing that this virus effects the elderly, and those with poor health, and not so much children, or adults who are healthy.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/11/21173157/coronavirus-health-effects-age-covid-risk-diabetes-hypertension-disease-isolation

 

The evidence is piling up.  We are trying to prevent lots of those people in the high risk areas from getting ill all at the same time, because our medical system can’t support them all.  Plus, our doctors and nurses get really tired out, and then they could get ill.  The virus itself, doesn’t do terrible things to healthy people, especially healthy children.  

['NucK™]

3 hours ago, Warhippy said:

The experts said no because it doesn't work

 

But you're saying yes so we should ignore the experts.

 

K

The difference is that the posters don't have a separate agenda like the "experts" in gov't making the decision. But I'm pretty sure you already know that.

[TheRussianRocket1994]

3 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Calling another poster a troll is against board rules, is it not?  Here is more recent evidence showing that this virus effects the elderly, and those with poor health, and not so much children, or adults who are healthy.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/11/21173157/coronavirus-health-effects-age-covid-risk-diabetes-hypertension-disease-isolation

 

The evidence is piling up.  We are trying to prevent lots of those people in the high risk areas from getting ill all at the same time, because our medical system can’t support them all.  Plus, our doctors and nurses get really tired out, and then they could get ill.  The virus itself, doesn’t do terrible things to healthy people, especially healthy children.  

JUST STOP!!!!!

[Gurn]

6 minutes ago, Alflives said:

The virus itself, doesn’t do terrible things to healthy people, especially healthy children.  

And again, young healthy people DO die, just at a lesser rate than the rest.

 

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

[Alflives]

1 hour ago, Cerridwen said:

Repeating it over and over is trolling for $&!#s and giggles, Alf. We all heard you the first time...the second....third....fourth etc.. You deliberately missed the point. Young people and children ARE dying*....even your quoted stats say they are. If it were your precious grandchild being 'culled' would you just say to it's parents, "No big deal, he/she was part of the cull" Try telling the parents of a child with C-19 that it's no big deal...come on, I dare you. I asked you nicely... now, please, stop with the 'cull' and uneducated 'herd immunity talk.
Who gives a &^@# whether it attacks older folk or immunity compromised folk more... the parents of a child with C-19 could give a $&!# at that point.

I KNOW you have a heart hidden inside your furry Alf chest somewhere...please use it....show a little Alf class and empathy...Educate yourself that the folks not at as great a risk are able to pass it on to the folks that ARE at risk. Please, Alf, enough already...let's just be prepared and responsible...not stirring the pot for $&!#s and giggles on a hockey message board. Your last post activity is passive/aggressive trolling. Please, just stop.

Covid-19 is going to get way worse before it gets better. It's ugly, it's nasty. Folks who have been on the VERY sick end and recovered are suffering long term damage to their lungs. We aren't there yet but there is going to be a time when this is all over and the long term damage to folks who have contracted C-19 and recovered will have to be assessed. Something similar to the Post-Polio Syndrome idea. This has only just begun.

*Correction: I should have said "and children ARE being infected and dying

Here is some more evidence that healthy people, especially children, will not get too sick. 

 

“For a healthy person in their twenties, thirties, or forties, how bad would it be if they got COVID-19? How does it compare to the regular flu or another common illness?
COVID-19 is a completely different virus and belongs to a different family of viruses even though it’s still a respiratory pathogen, says Dr. Seema Yasmin, an assistant clinical professor of medicine at Stanford and a former investigator for the CDC’s Epidemic Intelligence Service. Regular flu is really bad for the very young and very old, but COVID-19 appears to be sparing young children.

 

 

 

Based on the current data, 95 percent of people who get the coronavirus will experience mild to moderate symptoms, says Sandro Galea, the dean of Boston University’s School of Public Health. Some people will get the coronavirus and not even know they have it.

A bad case of coronavirus for a healthy person will likely be no worse than a bad case of regular flu, Galea says, causing a headache, fever, soreness, nausea, and a cough. You will recover from it in a matter of days (again, based on the current data).“

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/coronavirus-covid19-best-practices-bar-gym-travel-hygiene-966855/

People who are obese, smoke, and have underlying respiratory issues are at the highest risk, especially if they’re elderly.  Healthy people, especially children, might not even know they have the virus.  The concern is they could then spread it to people in the high risk category.  But to scare otherwise healthy people, especially children, is wrong.  That, to me, is trolling.  

['NucK™]

3 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Imagine no rail or trucks.  That means no freight, no mail.  Nothing.

Who the hell is talking about mail?? The issue is infected people who for some wild reason are still welcome into Canada.. see the US #s? See the Canadian #s? Mix in some exponential growth. Keeping those separate will keep the total of both down and you don't need to be a mathematician to know that. 

[Alflives]

4 minutes ago, IRR said:

JUST STOP!!!!!

Stop what?  Expressing evidence that supports my views?  Maybe posters who are spreading fear in our healthy population, especially children, should be the ones stopping.  

[EmilyM]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

Here is some more evidence that healthy people, especially children, will not get too sick. 

 

“For a healthy person in their twenties, thirties, or forties, how bad would it be if they got COVID-19? How does it compare to the regular flu or another common illness?
COVID-19 is a completely different virus and belongs to a different family of viruses even though it’s still a respiratory pathogen, says Dr. Seema Yasmin, an assistant clinical professor of medicine at Stanford and a former investigator for the CDC’s Epidemic Intelligence Service. Regular flu is really bad for the very young and very old, but COVID-19 appears to be sparing young children.

 

 

 

Based on the current data, 95 percent of people who get the coronavirus will experience mild to moderate symptoms, says Sandro Galea, the dean of Boston University’s School of Public Health. Some people will get the coronavirus and not even know they have it.

A bad case of coronavirus for a healthy person will likely be no worse than a bad case of regular flu, Galea says, causing a headache, fever, soreness, nausea, and a cough. You will recover from it in a matter of days (again, based on the current data).“

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/coronavirus-covid19-best-practices-bar-gym-travel-hygiene-966855/

People who are obese, smoke, and have underlying respiratory issues are at the highest risk, especially if they’re elderly.  Healthy people, especially children, might not even know they have the virus.  The concern is they could then spread it to people in the high risk category.  But to scare otherwise healthy people, especially children, is wrong.  That, to me, is trolling.  

There are a lot of young/children/low-risk people who are scared at the thought of OTHER people getting sick and dying, as well. A concept that may be hard for you to understand.

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, 'NucK™ said:

Who the hell is talking about mail?? The issue is infected people who for some wild reason are still welcome into Canada.. see the US #s? See the Canadian #s? Mix in some exponential growth. Keeping those separate will keep the total of both down and you don't need to be a mathematician to know that. 

A great many healthy people don’t show symptoms.  There is a suggestion these people spread the virus to those in high risk communities.  There’s an article from Boston about that.  

[EmilyM]

Just now, Alflives said:

A great many healthy people don’t show symptoms.  There is a suggestion these people spread the virus to those in high risk communities.  There’s an article from Boston about that.  

You're only helping the argument that we should be taking serious precautions so as not to allow those who don't show signs of symptoms to unknowingly pass it onto others.

[Alflives]

Just now, EmilyM said:

There are a lot of young/children/low-risk people who are scared at the thought of OTHER people getting sick and dying, as well. A concept that may be hard for you to understand.

Which is exactly why those healthy people shouldn’t go to care homes and places where there are people at high risk.  But to scare children into believing they’re going to get sick and die from this is terribly wrong.  We should be letting children know they need to be careful around those in high risk communities, but that they themselves are at very low risk.  

[Petey40]

4 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Stop what?  Expressing evidence that supports my views?  Maybe posters who are spreading fear in our healthy population, especially children, should be the ones stopping.  

You’re expressing things that are going against every leading health expert on earth. You’re purposely saying things like “let’s let the old weak and sickly die because that’s just nature right?” 
 

You’re saying things that you know are going to piss people off and you’re purposely spreading information that will make people take this less seriously and that’s dangerous. 
 

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, EmilyM said:

You're only helping the argument that we should be taking serious precautions so as not to allow those who don't show signs of symptoms to unknowingly pass it onto others.

100% agree.  And that exactly what our government is trying to do.  Stay out of communities where there are high risk people, like care homes, and hospitals.  But let’s not scare the healthy people into believing they are at high risk of dying from this.  Kids are going to be terrified with their parents buying up all the TP.  Who in the hell does that?  

[Mike Vanderhoek]

5 hours ago, Warhippy said:

People complaining the government hasn't closed borders

 

Government closes borders.

 

People complaining not enough has been done now or that they want more or more sooner 

 

You literally cannot make anyone happy can you?

Its like when the Canucks are winning and people say " another performance like this 3 - 0 shutout win and we are in trouble ".

 

The point is WHO and other lead medical people are cautioning a slower soft stance and the need to be serious and stop this in its tracks. We then suggest borders are closed to most except obviously Canadians, Americans, diplomats, friends, friends of friends, friends of friends of friends......then rely on the honor system when dealing with people at airports ? 

 

Either way I have more faith in our citizens then those at the top at this moment. Where I live it is becoming a ghost town and there have been no suspected or cases of covid-19 just a few self isolations and testings to this point. People are overall after " panic buy days last week " being smarter then maybe is expected haha.

[Petey40]

Just now, Alflives said:

100% agree.  And that exactly what our government is trying to do.  Stay out of communities where there are high risk people, like care homes, and hospitals.  But let’s not scare the healthy people into believing they are at high risk of dying from this.  Kids are going to be terrified with their parents buying up all the TP.  Who in the hell does that?  

Dude Justin Trudeau literally said earlier today that ALL Canadians should stay home as much as possible. He didn’t say “stay away from care homes and hospitals and communities with high risk people”. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Countries wouldn’t be shutting down around the world if this wasn’t incredibly serious.