Down by the River Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 For those that what information that is straight from experts. Not reinterpreted by the media or clipped for a soundbyte, Google Scholar is providing a lot of free/open access to articles being published in very high-quality journals. Frankly, these journals usually require peer review so it is a bit surprising that things are getting published this quickly, but in any event, you can learn some things from some reliable sources. https://scholar.google.ca/ https://www.thelancet.com/coronavirus https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert https://www.nature.com/collections/hajgidghjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanfor42 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, Toews said: Of course not. The implication is that as being young, healthy and in physically optimal condition, my body is more equipped to fight off the virus without presenting with the kind of symptoms which can easily infect people. Now valid that I am not an expert so I don't know how easily I can infect others or be infected by others but that's a risk I can live with. Ok baby let's educate you. Got it that you could give a F about whether or not your actions contribute to older people dying. How about this. You financially solid partner? You can be unaffected by several months of shut down? If people like you don't help keep this in check? How about if we muddle through and then 6 months later it comes back and everything gets shut down again? You ready for that big boy? You got no mortgage or rent? Your reserves are ample? If not then when the worm turns others gonna be like haha got what he had coming. Bank will foreclose fella. Government not gonna bail you out when too many are in trouble. You'll be in the soup then and the elders will be all haha loser. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, fanfor42 said: How do we send a message to the absentee prime minister to say are you kidding me with leaving the US border open? How do we get him to see the mistake this is. 300m people down there and 25 percent have no access to health care so in this event no access to testing. Their experience will be many times worse than ours. Unless we screw up by letting everyone come over. Keeping the US border open to commercial traffic fine. They can be checked end cleared one at a time. But regular people why? Planes from the US landing in 35 locations accross Canada while we restrict the rest of the world to 4 locations. . Drivers coming accross on dozens of US border crossings. Why? Two weeks time out can bring this thing down. Waiting just makes it harder later. Wish our leadership was strong enough to make the right decisions. And Dix and Horgan omg. Please..those unqualified goofs are just pissing in the wind. We need decisive leadership. No.... You need leadership willing to listen to medical experts. America has a so called "decisive leader" and every medical expert on the planet panned their response. Politicians willing to listen to experts in this instance are far more important to listen too than emotionally charged posters with a political bias Edited March 17, 2020 by Warhippy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Am I giving too much information by saying I am VERY AROUSED from watching that? Is there something wrong with me? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyM Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Toews said: How can you trust everything that you are being told? This situation is unprecedented, there is no handbook that these people are reading out of. The people in charge of making decisions are the likes of Donald Trump and Justin Trudeau, neither of them are epidemiologists. Not to mention these politicians are balancing their own personal interests (ie. getting re-elected) with the general public's health. Why hasn't the US border been shut down? Because it would cost Canada far too much be economically viable. All I am saying is that the general public has the same considerations, not everyone can stay at home. Some people have bills to pay, mortgages etc. They too have to balance self-interest (survival) with the general public's health. I agree this situation is unprecedented, and even the experts are learning as they go. But to shrug everything off as if "Ahhh, nobody knows what they're talking about. I'm gonna live my life business as usual" would be blatantly naive. One thing we, outside of places like China and Italy, have is the benefit of hindsight. We can see what measures could've/would've helped lower the spread over there. And what's the worst case scenario if we take extreme measures? We lose a few months of partying and lose a chunk of our savings? That absolutely sucks. But we can (and WILL) party later. Our money can be recovered. Human lives can't. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey40 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Toews said: How can you trust everything that you are being told? This situation is unprecedented, there is no handbook that these people are reading out of. The people in charge of making decisions are the likes of Donald Trump and Justin Trudeau, neither of them are epidemiologists. Not to mention these politicians are balancing their own personal interests (ie. getting re-elected) with the general public's health. Why hasn't the US border been shut down? Because it would cost Canada far too much be economically viable. All I am saying is that the general public has the same considerations, not everyone can stay at home. Some people have bills to pay, mortgages etc. They too have to balance self-interest (survival) with the general public's health. Nope. The government officials in charge are taking information, guidance, and recommendations from the WHO, CDC, and the worlds leading and their countries leading health experts and making decisions based on what these people are saying will be best for public health and safety. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Toews said: How can you trust everything that you are being told? This situation is unprecedented, there is no handbook that these people are reading out of. The people in charge of making decisions are the likes of Donald Trump and Justin Trudeau, neither of them are epidemiologists. Not to mention these politicians are balancing their own personal interests (ie. getting re-elected) with the general public's health. Why hasn't the US border been shut down? Because it would cost Canada far too much be economically viable. All I am saying is that the general public has the same considerations, not everyone can stay at home. Some people have bills to pay, mortgages etc. They too have to balance self-interest (survival) with the general public's health. Not just them. Most all the world leaders. Cause you know, they have the best experts to deffer to. I'm surprised you are digging your heels in. If you are wrong with your assessment and people follow your lead, lots of people die. If most of us are wrong, the worst that happens is we get ' I told you so'. I can live with that. The economy as you pointed out is a concern, our leaders will have to work on a survivable balance. The 0.1%'rs will have to open their wallets and float things until this is figured. Edited March 17, 2020 by bishopshodan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10pavelbure96 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 They have to shut the border down to Americans as well.. Snohomish county is right next door to us 2.5 million metro vancouverites and that area is one of the hardest hit areas on the continent. Why are Americans exempt????? Protect Canadians you moron, Turdope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Down by the River said: . I too wish I could just pick and choose the information that suits my own opinion. You are also just casually glossing over the fact that @samurai also included people that were presymptomatic. "there is evidence that transmission of SARS-CoV-2 can occur with few reported symptoms" https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S1473-3099(20)30144-4 "People are infectious early in the course of the disease, even before presenting symptoms (which makes it more difficult to isolate sick people and identify their contacts). Estimates indicate that presymptomatic individuals can account for up to 25% of transmission." https://www.isglobal.org/en/coronavirus-lecciones-y-recomendaciones I will concede that you know more about the virus than I do. It still hasn't convinced this government to shut everything down. We cannot put our lives on hold because of a virus. Sorry but its just the truth, Alf got attacked for stating the obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canorth Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 10pavelbure96 said: They have to shut the border down to Americans as well.. Snohomish county is right next door to us 2.5 million metro vancouverites and that area is one of the hardest hit areas on the continent. Why are Americans exempt????? Protect Canadians you moron, Turdope. pretty sure we get most our toilet paper from the states, so...... Edited March 17, 2020 by Canorth 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanfor42 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, Warhippy said: No.... You need leadership willing to listen to medical experts. America has a so called "decisive leader" and every medical expert on the planet panned their response. Politicians willing to listen to experts in this instance are far more important to listen too than emotionally charged posters with a political bias Sorry pal you're wrong. Matter of days to weeks before the US border gets shut down and EVERYONE will ask why it didn't happen sooner. Get your head out of your **s. Your attitude is dangerous to people and needs to stop. "It's not that bad we have it under control." Nope. Wrong. Please stop posting dangerous nonsense. Once we close the borders we can focus on internal decisions only. Stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 3 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said: No, you are not. If he hasn't self-quarantined for 2 weeks, he should be showing you a negative test result. Otherwise, GTFO How is he supposed to show a test result the next day? If he could get a test it takes days to get a result. If you self isolate for 14 days I am assuming you are clear by that time if you do not manifest C-19 by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket1994 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Toews said: I will concede that you know more about the virus than I do. It still hasn't convinced this government to shut everything down. We cannot put our lives on hold because of a virus. Sorry but its just the truth, Alf got attacked for stating the obvious. We sure as hell can!!! I've never seen such a selfish / ignorant statement!! Reality is going to catch up to you sooner than later... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Toews said: We cannot put our lives on hold because of a virus. Sorry but its just the truth, I bet those that were around during the Spanish Flu wished they had 6 minutes ago, Toews said: Alf got attacked for stating the obvious. Alf was doing Alf. This time it he was disregarding human life and acting as an authority. No one is an authority on this yet. Did you recently fall in love and this virus has affected your plans to see you new heart throb? serious question, I am wondering why such a smart poster is dismissing info from experts. Edited March 17, 2020 by bishopshodan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DonLever Posted March 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Toews said: Poster @samurai says you are only particularly infectious if you are symptomatic. That makes sense to me. I will be sure to stay home if I get any symptoms. That may not be the case. There are studies that suggest people without symptoms are spreading the COVID19 disease. This report is from CNN; https://www.cnn.ph/world/2020/3/15/Infected-people-without-symptoms-driving-spread-of-coronavirus-.html (CNN) -- New studies in several countries and a large coronavirus outbreak in Massachusetts bring into question reassuring assertions by US officials about the way the novel virus spreads. These officials have emphasized that the virus is spread mainly by people who are already showing symptoms, such as fever, cough or difficulty breathing. If that's true, it's good news, since people who are obviously ill can be identified and isolated, making it easier to control an outbreak. But it appears that a Massachusetts coronavirus cluster with at least 82 cases was started by people who were not yet showing symptoms, and more than half a dozen studies have shown that people without symptoms are causing substantial amounts of infection. For weeks, federal officials have emphasized that asymptomatic transmission can happen, but have said that it's not a significant factor in the spread of the virus. On March 1 on ABC's This Week, US Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar told host George Stephanopoulos that asymptomatic spread is "not the major driver" of the spread of the new coronavirus. "You really need to just focus on the individuals that are symptomatic," he said. "It [the containment strategy] really does depend on symptomatic presentation." The website for the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention echoes that assessment. "Some spread might be possible before people show symptoms; there have been reports of this occurring with this new coronavirus, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads," according to the website. Edited March 17, 2020 by DonLever 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Down by the River Posted March 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Toews said: I will concede that you know more about the virus than I do. It still hasn't convinced this government to shut everything down. We cannot put our lives on hold because of a virus. Sorry but its just the truth, Alf got attacked for stating the obvious. And nobody is asking you to. There is a balance between putting your life on hold and not putting others at risk. I have walked the dog three times today and went for a run. Yesterday I went to the lake. There are things to do and things to not do and we can hopefully all trust one another to make the right decision. Alf is the lovable idiot of CDC. If he were 30 years younger I'm sure the mods would have put him on timeout long ago. I don't think he should be your compass for decision-making here. 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10pavelbure96 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Canorth said: pretty sure we get most our toilet paper from the states, so...... Haha no kidding. Truckers exempt but no reason why visitors should come..stay in your own ****hole country ya yanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 27 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Am I giving too much information by saying I am VERY AROUSED from watching that? Is there something wrong with me? 'Ol orange head's sure got dem moves! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -DLC- Posted March 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2020 To those not wanting to be disrupted for a period of time that won't last forever (but death does). It's very disheartening and here's why: This is a new deal and it's still really being "figured out", so if experts don't have all the answers (they don't), we certainly don't either. There's a thing about erring on the side of caution. A disruption of weeks is a pain in the butt for sure. But that's something most are willing to do if it means sparing lives. And it could. If we collectively put our lives on hold, it could save some lives. Being a responsible human being but, beyond that, a compassionate one, means we're willing to put up with a bit of inconvenience for something much more important. Other human beings. It's fine to state an opinion and want to go against the grain and what we are being asked to do by leaders, experts, and health officials. But it's really irresponsible to hammer it home, over and over, like it's an important message. Don't put your damn life on hold....but you're standing out in a bad way by proclaiming your stance like champions. My Dad's battled cancer and is awaiting extremely delicate/risky surgery when this does cool down. It really ticks me off to hear selfish whimpers ... when I am forced to go get his prescription I pray (even though I'm not religious) I don't carry something back to him. I scrub down, change my clothes and go deal with necessities for him. It's so infuriating to hear this argument. Go on - go about your business then. Grab a slurpee, hit the mall...just quit inciting reactions from people who are already stressed to the max. Don't brag about your plan here because that's really really upsetting to some who value human life more than a momentary bit of freedom to do as they please. We may strip away others right for that very thing through selfish unnecessary acts. 7 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naslund.is.king Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 This Topic quickly turned into the Donald Trump Thread Not suprised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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