Fanuck Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, King Heffy said: The health system isn't getting overloaded with obese smokers. The health-care system has been overloaded for decades with people making poor lifestyle choices. Anti-vaxxers may have pushed the system over the edge, but it was already overloaded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Covid is indeed a bit of a special case, but I agree with @Fanuck....the medical profession has never balked at treating self-inflicted ailments and I don't see them starting now...even if I agree that some folks might deserve to be refused treatment.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: It seems like a no-brainer that teams would just make vaccination as requirement. My guess is that the PA has something to say about it and that's why there is no player mandate. Some teams have chosen to make it mandatory though, such as the Islanders. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Just now, King Heffy said: Some teams have chosen to make it mandatory though, such as the Islanders. For players as well? I wasn't aware of that. I'd still ave to guess that the PA would get involved if one of their players refused the vaccine and was suspended as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 minute ago, RUPERTKBD said: For players as well? I wasn't aware of that. I'd still ave to guess that the PA would get involved if one of their players refused the vaccine and was suspended as a result. Tell that to Rinaldo in Columbus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NewbieCanuckFan Posted September 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2021 15 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: Covid is indeed a bit of a special case, but I agree with @Fanuck....the medical profession has never balked at treating self-inflicted ailments and I don't see them starting now...even if I agree that some folks might deserve to be refused treatment.... Nobody should be denied treatment even in the cases of stupidity. Now if it's a case of a system already at its break point, I know who should get first priority and it ain't these people. 1 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedestroyerofworlds Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 For the "it's just a flu" crowd. Professional athlete suffering long-term effect of getting Covid. https://www.si.com/hockey/news/alex-stalock-expected-to-miss-2021-22-season-due-to-heart-condition Alex Stalock Expected to Miss 2021-22 Season Due to Heart Condition Edmonton Oilers goaltender Alex Stalock is expected to miss the entire 2021-22 NHL season due to a heart condition he developed after contracting COVID-19 last season. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Nobody should be denied treatment even in the cases of stupidity. Now if it's a case of a system already at its break point, I know who should get first priority and it ain't these people. Agreed. If we start denying treatment now based on "stupidity", where do we even draw that line of what's stupid and what's not? It's a slippery slope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said: For the "it's just a flu" crowd. Professional athlete suffering long-term effect of getting Covid. https://www.si.com/hockey/news/alex-stalock-expected-to-miss-2021-22-season-due-to-heart-condition Alex Stalock Expected to Miss 2021-22 Season Due to Heart Condition Edmonton Oilers goaltender Alex Stalock is expected to miss the entire 2021-22 NHL season due to a heart condition he developed after contracting COVID-19 last season. Yikes. They better hope Smith can play 70 games because they now are without an NHL quality backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, The Lock said: Agreed. If we start denying treatment now based on "stupidity", where do we even draw that line of what's stupid and what's not? It's a slippery slope. but what if its based on choice? the next step should be we give people 8 more weeks until we start sending non-vaccinated people home and/or on a wait list for treatment, and stop delaying things like cancer surgeries. If people still choose to be non-vaccinated after that warming and 8 weeks of time, its a clear choice on their part. And its not a slippery slope. If someone decides to smoke and gets cancer,e.g. it doesn't delay someone else's surgery. Edited September 22, 2021 by JM_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Yikes. They better hope Smith can play 70 games because they now are without an NHL quality backup. watch the waiver wire, Edmonton will be grabbing up the 1st goalie they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, JM_ said: but what if is based on choice? the next step should be we give people 8 more weeks until we start sending non-vaccinated people home and/or on a wait list for treatment, and stop delaying things like cancer surgeries. If people still choose to be non-vaccinated after that warming and 8 weeks of time, its a clear choice on their part. And its not a slippery slope. If someone decides to smoke and gets cancer,e.g. it doesn't delay someone else's surgery. I just can't agree with this man. I have my limits. lol If people aren't allowed to make mistakes, we might as well only give surgery to perfectionists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Just now, The Lock said: I just can't agree with this man. I have my limits. lol If people aren't allowed to make mistakes, we might as well only give surgery to perfectionists. I guess I don't see it as a mistake, they are making a choice that effects others. Its only fair that they also have an effect back on them. Its why they got rid of public smoking, but not smoking itself. You have to put limits on harm others can do to innocent people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Just now, JM_ said: I guess I don't see it as a mistake, they are making a choice that effects others. Its only fair that they also have an effect back on them. Its why they got rid of public smoking, but not smoking itself. You have to put limits on harm others can do to innocent people. Without a choice, you can't make a mistake since mistake imply you had a choice to begin with. It's a choice that they've made that's a mistake in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 minute ago, The Lock said: Without a choice, you can't make a mistake since mistake imply you had a choice to begin with. It's a choice that they've made that's a mistake in my opinion. I hear you. If it just effected them alone, I'd agree, but they are really harming other people. And not just with covid. Watching the news the other night with a guy who can't get a brain tumour removed thanks to all the "choices" made in Alberta. Thats a pretty high price to pay for someone else's decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, JM_ said: I hear you. If it just effected them alone, I'd agree, but they are really harming other people. And not just with covid. Watching the news the other night with a guy who can't get a brain tumour removed thanks to all the "choices" made in Alberta. Thats a pretty high price to pay for someone else's decision. And there in lies where their mistake is and, ultimately, it's a mistake that costs lives. But really this shouldn't be about what we deem as being a mistake or not. All in all, it just plain sucks that we're in this mess because people would rather put their own conspiracies above human life. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Lock said: And there in lies where their mistake is and, ultimately, it's a mistake that costs lives. But really this shouldn't be about what we deem as being a mistake or not. All in all, it just plain sucks that we're in this mess because people would rather put their own conspiracies above human life. We should use the free market insurance model and start charging msp again to those that are not vaccinated or engaging in other high risk behaviors like smoking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, 24K PureCool said: We should use the free market insurance model and start charging msp again to those that are not vaccinated or engaging in other high risk behaviors like smoking. I don't disagree with that at the very least. I just don't agree with cutting out healthcare to these people altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 minute ago, The Lock said: I don't disagree with that at the very least. I just don't agree with cutting out healthcare to these people altogether. Yep, we should not play god and decide who gets to live or not. Once you have a financial stake in these discussions, you will see a lot of people changing their minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Lock said: I don't disagree with that at the very least. I just don't agree with cutting out healthcare to these people altogether. When the alternative is denying healthcare to people whose brains actually function, it's an easy decision for me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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