Coronavirus outbreak

[Warhippy]

People keep trying to trot out Sweden as some sort of success. Sweden has less than 1/3 our population but comparable rates of infection and mortality

Sweden 10.2 million
Canada 37.9 million

This means for it to be comparable, Canadas infection and mortality rate would need to be almost 4x higher than it is now.

When we look at death rates

 

Sweden has 14.6k deaths to covid

Canada has 26.7 k deaths to covid

 

There is a very simple reason Swedens leaders came out and stated that they had failed their people in how they approached their response and that people died needlessly.

[JM_]

1 hour ago, gurn said:

However with a toddler you just scoop them up, and put them in their rooms, where they can't do anymore damage.

 

 

just passport everything. It'll work out the same. 

[nuckin_futz]

Dear unvaccinated: Bye! And don’t let the door hit you in the . . . well, you know | Opinion

Leonard Pitts Jr.

Fri, September 24, 2021, 12:32 PM

 

 

“If you want to leave, take good care, hope you make a lot of nice friends out there”

— from “Wild World” by Cat Stevens

 

This is for those of you who’ve chosen to quit your jobs rather than submit to a vaccine mandate.

 

No telling how many of you there actually are, but lately, you’re all over the news. Just last week, a nearly-30-year veteran of the San Jose Police Department surrendered his badge rather than comply with the city’s requirement that all employees be inoculated against COVID-19. He joins an Army lieutenant colonel, some airline employees, a Major League Baseball executive, the choral director of the San Francisco Symphony, workers at the tax collector’s office in Orange County, Florida, and, incredibly, dozens of healthcare professionals.

 

Well, on behalf of the rest of us, the ones who miss concerts, restaurants and other people’s faces, the ones who are sick and tired of living in pandemic times, here’s a word of response to you quitters: Goodbye.

 

And here’s two more: Good riddance.

 

Not to minimize any of this. A few weeks ago, a hospital in upstate New York announced it would have to “pause” delivering babies because of resignations among its maternity staff. So the threat of difficult ramifications is certainly real. But on the plus side, your quitting goes a long way toward purging us of the gullible, the conspiracy-addled, the logic-impaired and the stubbornly ignorant. And that’s not nothing.

 

We’ve been down this road before. Whenever faced with some mandate imposed in the interest of the common good, some of us act like they just woke up on the wrong side of the Berlin Wall. “There’s no freedom no more,” whined one man in video that recently aired on “The Daily Show With Trevor Noah.” The clip was from the 1980s, and the guy had just gotten a ticket for not wearing his seatbelt.

 

It’s an unfortunately common refrain. Can’t smoke in a movie theater? Can’t crank your music to headache decibels at 2 in the morning? Can’t post the Ten Commandments in a courtroom? “There’s no freedom no more.” Some of you seem to think freedom means no one can be compelled to do, or refrain from doing, anything. But that’s not freedom, it’s anarchy.

 

Usually, the rest of us don’t agonize over your intransigence. Often it has no direct impact on us. The guy in “The Daily Show” clip was only demanding the right to skid across a highway on his face, after all. But now you claim the right to risk the healthcare system and our personal lives.

 

So if you’re angry, guess what? You’re not the only ones.

 

The difference is, your anger is dumb, and ours is not. Yours is about being coerced to do something you don’t want to do. Like that’s new. Like you’re not already required to get vaccinated to start school or travel to other countries. For that matter, you’re also required to mow your lawn, cover your hindparts and, yes, wear a seatbelt. So you’re mad at government and your job for doing what they’ve always done.

 

But the rest of us, we’re mad at you. Because this thing could have been over by now, and you’re the reason it isn’t.

 

That’s why we were glad President Biden stopped asking nicely, started requiring vaccinations everywhere he had power to do so. We were also glad when employers followed suit. And if that’s a problem for you, then, yes, goodbye, sayonara, auf wiedersehen, adios and adieu. We’ll miss you, to be sure. But you’re asking us to choose between your petulance and our lives.

 

And that’s really no choice at all.

 

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 This was an entertaining read.

[thedestroyerofworlds]

 

[MattJVD]

I was pondering over policy ideas and this popped into my head: Legislative ammendedment to the tax code of a 10% across the board income tax increase that expires at the end of the 2024 tax year. And a tax credit that fully offsets the increase if you provide proof of vaccination. 

 

Don't want the shot? Fine, but then you're paying for all the extra doctors, nurses, and ICU beds we need.

[JM_]

1 hour ago, MattJVD said:

I was pondering over policy ideas and this popped into my head: Legislative ammendedment to the tax code of a 10% across the board income tax increase that expires at the end of the 2024 tax year. And a tax credit that fully offsets the increase if you provide proof of vaccination. 

 

Don't want the shot? Fine, but then you're paying for all the extra doctors, nurses, and ICU beds we need.

this is a good idea.

 

I'd take it a step further tho, and make covid treatment elective if you didn't get the shot for non-medical reasons. Pay the full freight of the treatment, plus it might make decisions easier for doctors on who to triage. 

[nuckin_futz]

Man, woman charged with assault after anti-vaccination protest at Eaton Centre: Toronto police

Security guards try to hold back anti-vaccination protesters from entering the Eaton Centre on Saturday.

 

TORONTO -- Two people arrested at an anti-vaccination protest at the Eaton Centre on Saturday have been charged with assault, Toronto police say.

 

According to investigators, a large group of anti-vaccination protesters arrived at the Eaton Centre on Saturday and attempted to enter the mall.

 

Police say the protesters were denied access by uniformed security staff and at one point, a security guard was assaulted.

 

No injuries to protesters or security staff were reported.

 

Police say Michael Leaf, a 29-year-old Thornhill resident, and Vanessa Carvalho, a 23-year-old Brampton woman, have each been charged with one count of assault.

 

They are scheduled to appear at the Old City Hall courthouse on Dec. 15 at 11 a.m.

 

Caryma Sa'd, who was at the protest to capture footage of what was taking place, said the incident began as a rally at Yonge-Dundas Square.

 

"At the end of sort of the main speaker's portion of the rally, people kind of dispersed. And I started hearing yelling coming from behind me," she told CP24 on Sunday, adding that she could hear people encouraging protesters to "band together" in non-compliance.

 

In video footage of the protest, people could be seen shoving security guards and police in an attempt to enter the downtown shopping mall.

 

"There was violence on the part of the crowd," S'ad said.

 

"I would say mall security really did its best to hold the people back and police were there, but whatever the rationale was for not being strong on enforcement, the reality is they really didn't do much to hold people back."

 

Speaking to reporters at a vaccination clinic at Sherway Mall on Sunday, Mayor John Tory said while protesters have a right to demonstrate, they must do so peacefully.

"Those people who have an objection to vaccinations, and proof of vaccination being required, should decide that they are going to protest peacefully," he said of the incident at the Eaton Centre on Saturday.

 

"I have no problem with them having a different opinion about this and I have no problem with them choosing, if that's what they wish to do, not to get vaccinated.... That's a choice they can make. What they don't have a choice of doing is obstructing other people or behaving in an aggressive manner."

 

Tory encouraged mall operators to call police if they feel these protests are "crossing a line."

 

"What we don't have is the right for a group of people to have tyranny over the majority who have chosen to get vaccinated, who support the policies of the governments to have proof-of-vaccination be required," he added.

 

"I don't tell the police what to do nor do any politicians but I would just say my opinion would be if people are engaging in aggressive, especially physically aggressive behaviour that is putting others at risk or is unduly disruptive, then I would hope that the police would decide... to arrest them."

 

Edited September 26, 2021 by nuckin_futz

[mdehaan]

The PCR test is a DNA test and not reliable for testing covid.

[thedestroyerofworlds]

1 hour ago, mdehaan said:

The PCR test is a DNA test and not reliable for testing covid.

You're gonna need to go back in this thread.  This has been thoroughly trashed a number of times, including the whole "the inventor said it wasn't designed for testing covid" line.  You probably need to actually "do your research" and look for primary sources instead of nodding along with bitchute/YouTube videos of some jagoff droning on, not providing actual sources for said claims.

Also, source please.  I mean, there are a number of us who provide links to scientific articles or MSM articles that reference empirical data/scientific articles.  You provide nothing.  

As Hitchens said.  "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."

[MeanSeanBean]

 

Unbelievable. People will spend a couple hours making a sign, proudly declaring they will let their families die completely unnecessarily. I would do anything to protect my family. I'd gladly give my own life for theirs. I can't possibly fathom the self righteous, selfish and entirely idiotic mind set that would allow for this kind of thinking.

[mdehaan]

2 minutes ago, shayster007 said:

 

Unbelievable. People will spend a couple hours making a sign, proudly declaring they will let their families die completely unnecessarily. I would do anything to protect my family. I'd gladly give my own life for theirs. I can't possibly fathom the self righteous, selfish and entirely idiotic mind set that would allow for this kind of thinking.

99.97% survival rate.
Your post is perfect example of the enslavement of fear.

[JM_]

2 minutes ago, mdehaan said:

99.97% survival rate.
Your post is perfect example of the enslavement of fear.

So when are you going to volunteer to be in the 0.03%? 

 

Your comment just smacks of someone who has had zero meaningful consequences from covid, and you clearly don't understand what's been keeping us safe. 

[mdehaan]

2 minutes ago, JM_ said:

So when are you going to volunteer to be in the 0.03%? 

 

Your comment just smacks of someone who has had zero meaningful consequences from covid, and you clearly don't understand what's been keeping us safe. 

Gladly.

 

The governments been keeping us safe, obviously.

[KoreanHockeyFan]

12 minutes ago, mdehaan said:

99.97% survival rate.
Your post is perfect example of the enslavement of fear.

Uh-oh 

[bishopshodan]

[MeanSeanBean]

3 hours ago, mdehaan said:

99.97% survival rate.
Your post is perfect example of the enslavement of fear.

That is entirely incorrect.

 

Your post is the perfect example how some people are so self righteous, selfish and entirely idiotic that they would try to use a statistic that leaves over four and a half million people dead as their 'ha ha' statement even when they have no idea what they are talking about.

Edited September 27, 2021 by shayster007

[FaninMex]

1 hour ago, mdehaan said:

99.97% survival rate.
Your post is perfect example of the enslavement of fear.

Because MX has many day workers they have not been able to lockdown.

Also, there are many selling fake Pfizer vaccines.

 

As a result, my wife and I know about 20 people who have died from Covid which includes my grandpa in England and my wife's sisters father in law.

 

One guy we know decided that it would be cool to go to Cancun. He came back with Covid and gave it to his mother. She died.

A buddy of mine got married a year ago. This weekend was going to be his 1 year anniversary. He was about 30. He died a few months ago.

In MX families often live together. So, a woman lost her husband to Cancer in the recent past. I forgot if it was 1 or 3ish years ago. Then her sons got Covid and both of them died within a few days of each other.

 

Would you like more stories? The kicker is with this Delta variant there have been multiply who had Covid got better then died of a heart attack a week or so later. Others found out they had Covid and were dead in 1-3 days. Then, my wife's school friend has a debilitating form of long-Covid and now wants a divorce.

 

I don't know about you and your experiences, but I am kinda getting sick of people I know dying. I also know for a fact that the death tolls are not being calculated correctly. 

In certain areas of Mx many of the crematoriums are beyond capacity. They simply cannot burn the dead fast enough yet the numbers are being reported as low to get tourism going. This has been the thing for years. In 2010, a hurricane hit Vera Cruz and the government said that only 10 people died. Yet, my buddy who lived there said you could see that many float under a bridge in an hour. A history of under reporting.

 

Then you have India.

 

 

So, is it fear that enslaves or is it simply the blind following each other off a cliff?

 

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, shayster007 said:

 

Unbelievable. People will spend a couple hours making a sign, proudly declaring they will let their families die completely unnecessarily. I would do anything to protect my family. I'd gladly give my own life for theirs. I can't possibly fathom the self righteous, selfish and entirely idiotic mind set that would allow for this kind of thinking.

Well I ditched someone for this gem so don't underestimate people.

 

Oh...this was a woman who posted it and responded.  So...ya...

 

 

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, mdehaan said:

99.97% survival rate.
Your post is perfect example of the enslavement of fear.

Tell us you can't math without saying I can't math

[UnkNuk]

1 hour ago, shayster007 said:

 

Unbelievable. People will spend a couple hours making a sign, proudly declaring they will let their families die completely unnecessarily. I would do anything to protect my family. I'd gladly give my own life for theirs. I can't possibly fathom the self righteous, selfish and entirely idiotic mind set that would allow for this kind of thinking.

Sign in a store:

 

You don't have to vaccinate all your kids.  Just the ones you want to keep.