Coronavirus outbreak

[Tortorella's Rant]

18 hours ago, kilgore said:

 

So.........nationalize all pharmaceutical companies?  Socialism all the way? 

 

Because that is the only way you will eradicate price gouging and greed-is-good mentality of the monopolies.  In fact it was pretty good for Canada when we had our very own lab until Mulroney's Conservatives privatized it.  Because of that, we were so organized and ready, instead of begging other countries for a vaccine, we made it ourselves.  Canada, through Connaught Laboratories, because of their stellar work, was even asked by the WHO to be leaders in the distribution of the Small Pox vaccine for the planet.

 

I forget where you fit on the sliding scale of left/right  pro or anti mandate.  But this sure seems like its moving the goalposts.....again.  So tired of dealing with that kind of debating. Like this is supposed to be some kind of argument against accepting the vaccines.  Oh no! a pharmaceutical company is corrupt!  Shocking! Who would have guessed? So because of that, their products are also suspect, and shouldn't be put into your arm?  Is that the angle here?  Or you've simply had enough with unfettered Capitalism.

 

So nationalize them. The invisible hand of the market is not working to curb this kind of blatant profiteering. Lets go Torts get your red flags out, and I'll meet you at city hall.

 

But all I see is goalposts being dug up and moved back again and again.

Vaccines are full of nanobots who will track you for the gobmint...no? Too crazy? Oh.. what I meant was..

 

Vaccines have not been tested properly and not approved by the FDA....oh now it is approved, and its been over a year with only rare adverse reactions.  Oh...what I meant was...

 

Masks make you sick.  Oh...that was debunked?...what I meant was...

 

Vaccinated people are actually more dangerous because they shed toxins to the unvaxed! Look at this spoon stuck to the side of my cheek! ...okay okay, crazy again

 

Forget about all that its all about FREEDOM BABY!  No gobmint gonna tell me what to do, even in a world wide emergency, and its the most efficient way to deal with it.  Even if my stubbornness drags out the pandemic. My right to not cooperate and do my part is more important. 

 

But oh...yeah...I still believe in gobmint seatbelt mandates because it keeps insurance costs down, and you know, public health costs.

Oh...and needing a licence. You want to feel safe on the road with others.

Oh...and having to obey traffic lights.

Oh...and mandating all kinds of safety standards for products like kids toys, and even for food products coming into the country...

 

Oh...and that anti vaxers can protest and be nuisances all they want and health workers are still mandated by big gobmint to treat them just as well as every other Canadian.  Wouldn't want to change that mandate eh?

 

Lets do this Torts!

 

 

 

 

da, comrade. Snarky post get you sent to re-education up north.

 

Healthcare workers. Yesterday's heroes, today's scapegoats. You'd fit into that NKVD well; always got someone new to blame. Before you want to blame your neighbor for 'prolonging' this pandemic, there are infinitely bigger players deliberately doing that strictly for profit. I've said this for hundreds of pages now. I don't claim to know the answer but Stevie Wonder himself can see the writing on the wall.

[thedestroyerofworlds]

 

https://ckpgtoday.ca/2021/11/10/covid-19-outbreaks-declared-over-at-uhnbc/

COVID-19 outbreaks declared over at UHNBC

 

PRINCE GEORGE — Northern Health says the COVID-19 outbreaks at the University Hospital of Northern BC have ended.

The outbreak in the Primary Care Medical Unit was declared on September 24 with 20 patients and nine staff members testing positive for the virus. Sadly, two patients died.

Another 14 patients and two staff tested positive in the hospital’s internal medicine unit. Two people in that unit passed away as well.

 

[alt kilgore]

19 minutes ago, Tortorella's Rant said:

da, comrade. Snarky post get you sent to re-education up north.

 

Healthcare workers. Yesterday's heroes, today's scapegoats. You'd fit into that NKVD well; always got someone new to blame. Before you want to blame your neighbor for 'prolonging' this pandemic, there are infinitely bigger players deliberately doing that strictly for profit. I've said this for hundreds of pages now. I don't claim to know the answer but Stevie Wonder himself can see the writing on the wall.

I'm not gonna go back hundreds of pages, but I do agree with the fact of pharmaceutical profiteering.  My point was that we can't really do anything about that, now. All the rules, for a capitalist system, are bent in their favour.  And even though we'd like to imagine that large corporations still feel they have some kind of social responsibility, their shareholders, and owners, simply demand bigger profits every year.  There are actual laws on the books that demand companies always must strive for profits. (or register as a non profit) They will use whatever means they can to increase those profits.

 

I liked listening to Kyle Kulinski. Haven't for a while since he decided to rant so loud against Democrats as soon as Bernie was defeated in the primary.  I was and am a big Bernie supporter, and don't like the leadership of the Democrats, who are more like Republican lite. And cater to corporate asks.  (the ACA only cemented the place for private for-profit health insurers.)  But right now, in history, with an attraction of Fascism,  cult worship, and the demonization of democracy growing down south in the extreme right, I just think that this is not the time for creating divisions in the big tent. AOL and other progressives are still Democrats too.  I think they will need a lot of extra votes next year to overcome the voter suppression laws and new gerrymandering enacted by Republicans, and the MSM down there is always starving to find and highlight stories about Dems fighting Dems.

 

I just think that is a separate, and larger issue from the here and now.  We need to get through this pandemic. Its not a left vs right issue. Its a public health issue.  And people are irresponsible fools if they don't see it that way. I don't know how many anti-vaxers I've seen who's main objection is that they don't want Justin Trudeau to tell them what to do. And that is a good enough reason to not help do your part.

 

The struggle to curb the abuse of mega corps power and corruption goes on. But right now, they are are only ones who can save us, quite literally. And they are taking advantage of that.  We all know that's happening, its a natural progression of unfettered Capitalism, but that doesn't change overnight, maybe not for a long time.   Personally, I agree with Kyle about nationalizing pharmaceuticals.  As I pointed out, our own lab in Canada did amazing work both in Canada and around the world. I'm sure that Africa would be better served.

[-Vintage Canuck-]

B.C. COVID-19 pandemic update:

 

As of Wednesday, Nov. 10, 2021, 90.5% (4,195,116) of eligible people 12 and older in B.C. have received their first dose of COVID-19 vaccine and 86.4% (4,003,628) received their second dose.

 

In addition, 90.9% (3,932,843) of all eligible adults in B.C. have received their first dose and 87.0% (3,760,978) received their second dose.

 

B.C. is reporting 555 new cases of COVID-19, including three epi-linked cases, for a total of 210,758 cases in the province.

 

There are currently 4,321 active cases of COVID-19 in the province, and 203,909 people who tested positive have recovered. Of the active cases, 404 individuals are currently in hospital and 117 are in intensive care. The remaining people are recovering at home in self-isolation.

 

The new/active cases include:

• 197 new cases in Fraser Health
  • Total active cases: 1,820
• 50 new cases in Vancouver Coastal Health
  • Total active cases: 505
• 114 new cases in Interior Health
  • Total active cases: 766
• 106 new cases in Northern Health
  • Total active cases: 573
• 88 new cases in Island Health
  • Total active cases: 598
• no new cases of people who reside outside of Canada
  • Total active cases: 59

In the past 24 hours, 11 new deaths have been reported, for an overall total of 2,234.

 

The new deaths include:

• Fraser Health: five
• Vancouver Coastal Health: two
• Interior Health: one
• Island Health: three

There have been three new health-care facility outbreaks at George Derby Centre, Dufferin Care Centre (Fraser Health) and Royal Inland Hospital (Interior Health). The outbreaks at Hallmark on the Lake, Pacific Carlton Seniors Community, Tabor Manor (Fraser Health), Amica Lions Gate (Vancouver Coastal Health), Cottonwoods Care Centre (Interior Health), and University Hospital of Northern BC (Northern Health) have been declared over, for a total of 29 facilities with ongoing outbreaks, including:

 

long-term care:

• Cherington Place, Queens Park Care Centre, Rosemary Heights Seniors Village, Tabor Home, Cascade Gardens, Maplewood House, George Derby Centre, Dufferin Care Centre (Fraser Health);
• Amica Edgemont (Vancouver Coastal Health);
• Village by the Station, Brocklehurst Gemstone Care Centre, Sun Pointe Village (Interior Health);
• Peace Villa (Northern Health); and
• Chartwell Malaspina Care Residence (Island Health).

acute care:

• Mission Memorial Hospital, Queen’s Park Care Centre, Abbotsford Regional Hospital, Burnaby Hospital (Fraser Health);
• Royal Inland Hospital (Interior Health);
• GR Baker Memorial Hospital, Bulkley Valley District Hospital (Northern Health); and
• Nanaimo Regional General Hospital (Island Health)

assisted or independent living:

• The Emerald at Elim Village, Swedish Assisted Living Residence, Harrison Pointe, The Cedars, Hallmark on the Park, Bethshan Gardens and Revera Parkwood Manor (Fraser Health).

From Nov. 2-8, people not fully vaccinated accounted for 63.1% of cases and from Oct. 26 to Nov. 8 they accounted for 70.8% of hospitalizations.

 

Past week cases (Nov. 2-8) – Total 3,489

• Not vaccinated: 2,020 (57.9%)
• Partially vaccinated: 182 (5.2%)
• Fully vaccinated: 1,287 (36.9%)

Past two weeks cases hospitalized (Oct. 26 to Nov. 8) – Total 417

• Not vaccinated: 271 (65.0%)
• Partially vaccinated: 24 (5.8%)
• Fully vaccinated: 122 (29.3%)

Past week, cases per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Nov. 2-8)    

• Not vaccinated: 258.7
• Partially vaccinated: 64.7
• Fully vaccinated: 29.5

Past two weeks, cases hospitalized per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Oct. 26 to Nov. 8)

• Not vaccinated: 53.6
• Partially vaccinated: 13.9
• Fully vaccinated: 2.7

Since December 2020, the province has administered 8,373,682 doses of Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna and AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccines.

 

Note: The next COVID-19 pandemic update will be provided on Friday, Nov. 12, 2021.

 

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2021HLTH0070-002149

[-DLC-]

 

COVID's here to stay, folks.  It'll just become a matter of an annual booster shot that we add to our repertoire soon.   Anti vaxxers are allowing this thing to continue to fester.

[-DLC-]

Aaron Rodgers seems like such a knob.

 

[Ghostsof1915]

8 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

Aaron Rodgers seems like such a knob.

 

This is why I've stopped watching the NFL. First Brett Favre being a jerk.(His wife on the other hand does great work battling breast cancer, and raising money for breast cancer) Now Rodgers is a moron. If its concussion related that they can't think, that's one thing. 

Edited November 11, 2021 by Ghostsof1915

[Hamhuis Hip Check]

11 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

This is why I've stopped watching the NFL. First Brett Favre being a jerk.(His wife on the other hand does great work battling breast cancer, and raising money for breast cancer) Now Rodgers is a moron. If its concussion related that they can't think, that's one thing. 

I just wish it was brady being a dick so i could justify my hatred of him more

[Ghostsof1915]

2 minutes ago, Hamhuis Hip Check said:

I just wish it was brady being a dick so i could justify my hatred of him more

Amen. 

[-DLC-]

16 minutes ago, Hamhuis Hip Check said:

I just wish it was brady being a dick so i could justify my hatred of him more

 

13 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Amen. 

Aw, c'mon now.  Even drunk Tom?

 

[Wolfgang Durst]

new all time high number of COVID 19 cases in Germany today with 50K. That's obviously the fourth wave of the pandemic. This is going to be another winter with some COVID 19 restrictions.

[Gurn]

1 hour ago, Wolfgang Durst said:

new all time high number of COVID 19 cases in Germany today with 50K. That's obviously the fourth wave of the pandemic. This is going to be another winter with some COVID 19 restrictions.

Number of cases is important; however the number of hospitalizations is the critical part now.

Thing with case numbers is a lot of those will be vaccinated people, and a huge percent of them will not require hospitalization.

Unfortunately a lot of those cases will be unvaccinated people and a much  larger percentage of them, as compared to vaccinated people, will require hospital stays.

[thedestroyerofworlds]

10 minutes ago, gurn said:

Number of cases is important; however the number of hospitalizations is the critical part now.

Thing with case numbers is a lot of those will be vaccinated people, and a huge percent of them will not require hospitalization.

Unfortunately a lot of those cases will be unvaccinated people and a much  larger percentage of them, as compared to vaccinated people, will require hospital stays.

As Vintage has been posting the Covid updates for months now.  Unvaccinated accounts for the majority of cases and hospitalizations.  Yet, we have just over 90% with at least one dose.  Adjusted for population, the chances that an unvaccinated person ends up in hospital is 20 times greater than the vaccinated.  I'm willing to bet that Germany will see similar numbers.  

[alt kilgore]

2 hours ago, Wolfgang Durst said:

new all time high number of COVID 19 cases in Germany today with 50K. That's obviously the fourth wave of the pandemic. This is going to be another winter with some COVID 19 restrictions.

 

Surprise surprise.  Germany is one of the least fully vaccinated European countries.   Just googled searched "germany vaccination rate" and the very latest stats only 67.2% are fully vaxed as of today.

 

I don't know how anyone can dispute that vaccination is the best and fastest way to get through this when its so obvious.  (And probably based on Deb's post about variants, we will have to get through it for years.)

 

I wish it wasn't so difficult to pin down anti-vaxers objections on one hill,  in order to counter their conspiracies. Because there are different breeds of anti-vaxers.  Some argue its some secret, world wide Dr. Evil type plot to alter our bodies or send information to big government.  Some argue its too new and untested to be trusted.  They heard about some very rare reaction to the vaccine and a YouTube doctor told them that its actually NOT so rare. Some argue its not even about the vaccine, its about big government acting like a dictator by forcing mandates.  (Even thought there are a plethora of other mandates they probably agree with or don't think resisting it is worth it, like having a driving licence)

 

And if you successfully steer them away from one of these conspiracies, they just pivot quickly to the next one.  I can see it has happened more than once with some posters in this very thread.

[thedestroyerofworlds]

23 minutes ago, kilgore said:

 

Surprise surprise.  Germany is one of the least fully vaccinated European countries.   Just googled searched "germany vaccination rate" and the very latest stats only 67.2% are fully vaxed as of today.

 

I don't know how anyone can dispute that vaccination is the best and fastest way to get through this when its so obvious.  (And probably based on Deb's post about variants, we will have to get through it for years.)

 

I wish it wasn't so difficult to pin down anti-vaxers objections on one hill,  in order to counter their conspiracies. Because there are different breeds of anti-vaxers.  Some argue its some secret, world wide Dr. Evil type plot to alter our bodies or send information to big government.  Some argue its too new and untested to be trusted.  They heard about some very rare reaction to the vaccine and a YouTube doctor told them that its actually NOT so rare. Some argue its not even about the vaccine, its about big government acting like a dictator by forcing mandates.  (Even thought there are a plethora of other mandates they probably agree with or don't think resisting it is worth it, like having a driving licence)

 

And if you successfully steer them away from one of these conspiracies, they just pivot quickly to the next one.  I can see it has happened more than once with some posters in this very thread.

And at best, that YouTube doctor is an ophthalmologist or orthopedic surgeon.   Maybe even the demon semen lady.  And good luck trying to hunt down the sources that said doctor used, if there were any.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

23 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

And at best, that YouTube doctor is an ophthalmologist or orthopedic surgeon.   Maybe even the demon semen lady.  And good luck trying to hunt down the sources that said doctor used, if there were any.

How about a real doctor?:

 

 

 

 

hopefully the good doctor didn't infect anybody along the way.

[HKSR]

Just seriously... these anti vaxxers can just f@#! off.  I have no sympathy whatsoever for any of them anymore.  This is just f@#$ing ridiculous.

 

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2021/11/11/kelowna-remembrance-day-anti-vaxxers/

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, HKSR said:

Just seriously... these anti vaxxers can just f@#! off.  I have no sympathy whatsoever for any of them anymore.  This is just f@#$ing ridiculous.

 

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2021/11/11/kelowna-remembrance-day-anti-vaxxers/

Absolutely disgusting.  It’s time our government takes away all medical care for those refusing vaccination.  These loser antivaxxers can huff bleach, eat horse dewormer, and gobble up fish tank cleaner to cure their ills.  

[spur1]

52 minutes ago, HKSR said:

Just seriously... these anti vaxxers can just f@#! off.  I have no sympathy whatsoever for any of them anymore.  This is just f@#$ing ridiculous.

 

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2021/11/11/kelowna-remembrance-day-anti-vaxxers/

As I have said before it is time to start showing them who the majority is. I’m surprised the crowd didn’t put the run on them. Sometimes Canadians are just too nice. 

[Gurn]

1 hour ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

How about a real doctor?:

 

 

 

 

hopefully the good doctor didn't infect anybody along the way.

https://www.newsweek.com/anti-vaccine-doctor-who-called-mask-wearing-dangerous-dies-covid-19-1648385

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Dr. Christopher Foley, who criticized mask-wearing and spread false information about a COVID-19 vaccine, passed away from complications of the virus.

The Minnesota doctor pushed back against continued use of masks, writing on his company website that they are "downright dangerous" if worn for extended periods of time. He was also critical of the vaccine, calling it a "human experiment" and advocated for the widespread use of ivermectin and vitamins to cure COVID-19.

Foley's obituary said he passed away from an "unexpected illness," but his son, Logan Foley, confirmed at his funeral that his death was the result of complications from COVID-19.

"Was he vaccinated? No, he was not," Logan said. "If he'd only been vaccinated, wouldn't he still be here? Obviously, we'll never know."

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Logan questioned how his father, a "mountain of a man who had never been sick a day in his life" could suddenly pass away, just after talking on the phone with his son. He chalked it up to his father being "so busy taking care of the rest of us that he didn't leave time for himself."

After 22 years working in a medical system as a physician and internist, Foley founded Minnesota Natural Medicine and became a natural medicine doctor. The doctor started posted on his practice's website about COVID-19 in March, 2020, where he asserted that the virus was "likely a bioweapon" and suggested homeopathy, an alternative medical practice, could be "one of the better weapons" for fighting COVID-19.

Foley criticized experts for not pushing the use of vitamin D and other nutrients, as well as not promoting ivermectin as a treatment.

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"If one simply adds the benefits of vitamin D and the other micronutrients that we KNOW prevent morbidity or serious illness with this Wuhan virus to the effect of ivermectin and carrageenan—all easily obtainable and inexpensive—why would anyone fear going about their business even in high density, 'risky' environments?" Foley wrote.

Ivermectin is approved for fighting parasites and has been studied as a potential treatment for COVID-19. While there's anecdotal evidence of it having success in some cases, studies have been plagued with flaws and the drug hasn't shown widespread success in the real world. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has not approved it as a treatment for COVID-19 and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) doesn't recommend its use.

In other blog posts, Foley called the vaccine a "human experiment" and criticized lockdowns for causing "breathtaking damage" to businesses, economies and children's education. The doctor also railed against wearing masks, calling it "unnecessary and useless" and said they cause more harm than good for people who wear them while exercising.

"Additionally, they are not very effective indoors either and are downright dangerous to the individual (especially children) if worn for extensive periods of time," Foley wrote.

After his death, multiple people posted tributes to the doctor on Facebook, crediting him with helping to heal them and their families from various ailments. One woman said he saved the lives of herself, her husband and her father.

While acknowledging his father's beliefs about COVID-19 prevention methods, treatments and the vaccine, Logan Foley said his father helped successfully treat over 50 people for COVID-19 and spent "countless hours" researching the virus.

So if he had to do it over, would he do it differently?" he said. "He knew the risks on both sides better than anybody and he played his hand."

 

Some of Foley's blog posts waded into the debate about government intervention with public health. His son touched on the subject during his speech at the funeral, saying his father had a "deep sense of love" for his country and that "individual liberty coursed through his veins."

Rachel Moran, a postdoctoral scholar at the University of Washington Center for an Informed Public, told MPR News that "vocal opposition" to vaccines from doctors can be particularly harmful to the vaccination effort.

"If you can go online and find a medical professional who aligns with your political viewpoints about masks or a vaccine mandate, and offers up seemingly legitimate medical advice, that's going to cement your vaccine hesitancy and it's not going to provide you with the information that you need to make a sound decision," she said.