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1 minute ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

I haven't even seen anything on CNN about it. Why wouldn't you know what ivermectin is? It's only been brought up in this thread and on the news for the last 6 months ad nauseam. Usually when I form opinions I make sure I have at least some knowledge about what I am arguing, but you do you. 

I have not read 1836 x 20 = 36,720 posts of this thread.  

Must've missed it. 

 

I don't care about it's use with Covid, vaccines have been developed for a reason.  Drug is prescribed and administered to humans according to FDA but CNN kept referring to it as a horse dewormer, that was the point.  

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B.C. COVID-19 pandemic update:

 

As of Tuesday, Nov. 2, 2021, 90.0% (4,171,944) of eligible people 12 and older in B.C. have received their first dose of COVID-19 vaccine and 85.4% (3,958,398) have received their second dose.

 

In addition, 90.4% (3,911,521) of all eligible adults in B.C. have received their first dose and 86.0% (3,719,485) have received their second dose.

 

B.C. is reporting 406 new cases of COVID-19, including 10 epi-linked cases, for a total of 206,690 cases in the province.

 

There are 4,694 active cases of COVID-19 in the province, and 199,480 people who tested positive have recovered. Of the active cases, 445 individuals are in hospital and 137 are in intensive care. The remaining people are recovering at home in self-isolation.

 

The new/active cases include:

  • 133 new cases in Fraser Health
    • Total active cases: 2,157
  • 41 new cases in Vancouver Coastal Health
    • Total active cases: 607
  • 95 new cases in Interior Health
    • Total active cases: 613
  • 86 new cases in Northern Health
    • Total active cases: 606
  • 51 new cases in Island Health
    • Total active cases: 652
  • no new cases of people who reside outside of Canada
    • Total active cases: 59

In the past 24 hours, five new deaths have been reported, for an overall total of 2,186.

 

The new deaths include:

  • Interior Health: one
  • Northern Health: four

There have been two new health-care facility outbreaks at Royal Inland Hospital (Interior Health) and Nanaimo Regional General Hospital (Island Health), for a total of 41 active outbreaks, including:

long-term care:

  • Willingdon Care Centre, Westminster House, Magnolia Gardens, Manoah Manor, Cherington Place, West Shore Laylum, Queens Park Care Centre, Heritage Village, Valleyhaven Retirement Community, Rosemary Heights Seniors Village, Tabor Home, Cascade Gardens (Fraser Health);
  • Amica Lions Gate, Amica Edgemont (Vancouver Coastal Health);
  • Cottonwoods Care Centre, Overlander, Village by the Station, Haven Hill Retirement Centre, Deni House, Brocklehurst Gemstone Care Centre, Sun Pointe Village (Interior Health);
  • Wrinch Memorial Hospital (Northern Health); and
  • Chartwell Malaspina Care Residence (Island Health).

acute care:

  • Mission Memorial Hospital, Chilliwack General Hospital, Queen’s Park Care Centre (Fraser Health);
  • Royal Inland Hospital (Interior Health);
  • University Hospital of Northern BC, GR Baker Memorial Hospital, Bulkley Valley District Hospital (Northern Health); and
  • Nanaimo Regional General Hospital (Island Health)

assisted or independent living:

  • Menno Terrace West, The Emerald at Elim Village, Swedish Assisted Living Residence, Harrison Pointe, Norman Manor, Pacific Carlton Seniors Community, Rideau Retirement Residence, Tabor Manor, The Cedars and Hallmark on the Lake (Fraser Health).

From Oct. 25-31, people not fully vaccinated accounted for 64.4% of cases.


From Oct. 18-31, they accounted for 72.4% of hospitalizations.

 

Past week cases (Oct. 25-31) – Total 3,743

  • Not vaccinated: 2,205 (58.9%)
  • Partially vaccinated: 204 (5.5%)
  • Fully vaccinated: 1,334 (35.6%)

Past two weeks cases hospitalized (Oct. 18-31) – Total 381

  • Not vaccinated: 255 (66.9%)
  • Partially vaccinated: 21 (5.5%)
  • Fully vaccinated: 105 (27.6%)

Past week, cases per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Oct. 25-31)

  • Not vaccinated: 280.2
  • Partially vaccinated: 70.0
  • Fully vaccinated: 30.9

Past two weeks, cases hospitalized per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Oct. 18-31)

  • Not vaccinated: 48.3
  • Partially vaccinated: 9.1
  • Fully vaccinated: 2.3

Since December 2020, the Province has administered 8,263,575 doses of Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna and AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccines.

 

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2021HLTH0069-002092

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44 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said:

That's not logical.  

 

CNN has a money incentive to promote and spin a story one way due to Pfizer being a very important financial backer for them and the issue at hand being drug related.  

What slant/spin/incentive would Spotify provide?  They don't have a horse in the race (pun intended) when it comes to this discussion. 

Why would Pfizer have anything to do with it? They don't manufacture ivermectin, Merck does, and even they said not to take it for covid. If a peer reviewed medical study comes out saying it works then great. It's another viable treatment for covid. Until then it's a crap shoot at best. In the meantime it's an unproven and unapproved treatment being touted by the right wing media as some gotcha moment to own the libs, nothing more. 

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1 minute ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

Why would Pfizer have anything to do with it? They don't manufacture ivermectin, Merck does, and even they said not to take it for covid. If a peer reviewed medical study comes out saying it works then great. It's another viable treatment for covid. Until then it's a crap shoot at best. In the meantime it's an unproven and unapproved treatment being touted by the right wing media as some gotcha moment to own the libs, nothing more. 

The issue is not with the particular drug in question as I've already explain, but the way in which it was covered by CNN.  

 

Now as far as what would Pfizer have to do with it?  They're sponsoring this media corporation and their largest and most popular subject is obviously the pandemic.  So one would have to be delusional to think that money will have no pull in the way that this is covered.  I'm not calling you delusional, for the record, just saying that you can't expect large sums of money to not influence a for-profit business. 

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1 minute ago, VancouverHabitant said:

The issue is not with the particular drug in question as I've already explain, but the way in which it was covered by CNN.  

 

Now as far as what would Pfizer have to do with it?  They're sponsoring this media corporation and their largest and most popular subject is obviously the pandemic.  So one would have to be delusional to think that money will have no pull in the way that this is covered.  I'm not calling you delusional, for the record, just saying that you can't expect large sums of money to not influence a for-profit business. 

It's a matter for debate is suppose, but personally, I think you have it backwards.

 

You seem to be trying to make the case that CNN reports Covid news a certain way, because they want to attract big Pharma as advertisers. As I see it, big Pharma advertises on networks like CNN, ABC, CBS, etc because they see that their coverage is in keeping with the scientific consensus and therefore decide that the demographic that watches said networks would likely be the people they want to reach with their ads....

 

If Faux viewers were receptive to Covid vaccines, they might advertise with them, as well.

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1 minute ago, King Heffy said:

Agreed.  It's a hell of a value proposition for Billy-Joe to be able to deworm his girlfriend and treat his Covid with one convenient drug.

I think Pfizer is really missing the boat there....they are the manufacturers of Viagara as well, so if they told Billy Joe he could deworm his girlfriend and keep his boner going, they'd have a Faux News winner....

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Just now, RUPERTKBD said:

It's a matter for debate is suppose, but personally, I think you have it backwards.

 

You seem to be trying to make the case that CNN reports Covid news a certain way, because they want to attract big Pharma as advertisers. As I see it, big Pharma advertises on networks like CNN, ABC, CBS, etc because they see that their coverage is in keeping with the scientific consensus and therefore decide that the demographic that watches said networks would likely be the people they want to reach with their ads....

 

If Faux viewers were receptive to Covid vaccines, they might advertise with them, as well.

Interesting and I do agree.  Sponsors wouldn't want to put their name on sketchy ass platforms that endorse controversial ideas. 

 

Just to tie it all in though, CNN and Fox (Faux if it makes you happy lol) and lots of other media platforms speak to the extremes of the left wing and right wing nuts.  

Vilifying people for their vaccine choice is kind of disgusting to me and the more liberal media has been leading this charge to cancel people because of it.  Fox and right wing media has been responsible for demonizing minorities and anything related to immigration over the years.  

Besides Dr. Henry, I haven't felt a voice that really speaks to the large silent majority of the middle.  I really commend BC for the way this pandemic was handled for 95% of the timeline.  

 

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11 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

I think Pfizer is really missing the boat there....they are the manufacturers of Viagara as well, so if they told Billy Joe he could deworm his girlfriend and keep his boner going, they'd have a Faux News winner....

The Penthouse in downtown (the strip club) did have a hilarious headline during the pandemic...  

 

"Pfizer now makes TWO of our favourite drugs" 

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Under 5 data should be ready by the end of the year, with shots possibly 1st quarter 2022.  Health Canada should not be far behind.

 

 

 

https://apnews.com/article/covid-vaccine-kids-five-to-eleven-science-health-032f7ed4fa60a3c0e08ba418446cfe2b

US gives final clearance to COVID-19 shots for kids 5 to 11

 

U.S. health officials on Tuesday gave the final signoff to Pfizer’s kid-size COVID-19 shot, a milestone that opens a major expansion of the nation’s vaccination campaign to children as young as 5.

The Food and Drug Administration already authorized the shots for children ages 5 to 11 — doses just a third of the amount given to teens and adults. But the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention formally recommends who should receive FDA-cleared vaccines.

The announcement by CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky came only hours after an advisory panel unanimously decided Pfizer’s shots should be opened to the 28 million youngsters in that age group.

The decision marks the first opportunity for Americans under 12 to get the powerful protection of any COVID-19 vaccine.

“As a mom, I encourage parents with questions to talk to their pediatrician, school nurse or local pharmacist to learn more about the vaccine and the importance of getting their children vaccinated,” Walensky said Tuesday night, in a statement.

In remarks earlier in the day, she said while the risk of severe disease and death is lower in young children than adults, it is real — and that COVID-19 has had a profound social, mental health and educational impact on youngsters, including widening disparities in learning.

“There are children in the second grade who have never experienced a normal school year,” Walensky said. “Pediatric vaccination has the power to help us change all of that.”

President Joe Biden called the decision “a turning point.”

“It will allow parents to end months of anxious worrying about their kids, and reduce the extent to which children spread the virus to others,” he said in a statement. “It is a major step forward for our nation in our fight to defeat the virus.”

The American Academy of Pediatrics welcomed the decision as its members get ready to start the first injections into little arms, which the CDC said could begin “as soon as possible.” The 5- to 11-year-olds will receive two low doses, three weeks apart, of the vaccine made by Pfizer and its partner BioNTech -- the same schedule as everyone else, but using a smaller needle.

Pfizer over the weekend began shipping millions of the pediatric shots to states, doctors’ offices and pharmacies — in orange caps, to avoid mix-ups with purple-capped vials of adult vaccine.

Many parents have clamored for vaccine protection for youngsters so they can resume normal childhood activities without risking their own health — or fear bringing the virus home to a more vulnerable family member. But CDC’s advisers said they recognize many parents also have questions, and may be fearful of the vaccine because of rampant misinformation.

Members of the advisory panel said they want parents to ask about the shots — and understand that they’re far better than gambling that their child will escape a serious coronavirus infection. As for safety, more than 106 million Americans have safely gotten two doses of Pfizer’s full-strength shots — including more than 7 million 12- to 15-year-olds.

“I have vaccinated my kids,” said CDC adviser Dr. Helen Keipp Talbot of Vanderbilt University, saying she wouldn’t recommend something for other families unless she was comfortable with it for her own. “We have seen the devastation of this disease.”

In the U.S., there have been more than 8,300 coronavirus-related hospitalizations of kids ages 5 to 11, about a third requiring intensive care, according to government data. The CDC has recorded at least 94 deaths in that age group, with additional reports under investigation.

And while the U.S. has seen a recent downturn in COVID-19 cases, experts are worried about another uptick with holiday travel and as winter sends more activity indoors where it’s easier for the coronavirus to spread.

Pfizer’s study of 2,268 youngsters found the kid-size vaccine is nearly 91% effective at preventing symptomatic COVID-19 -- based on 16 diagnoses among kids given dummy shots compared to just three who got the real vaccination.

The FDA examined more children, a total of 3,100 who were vaccinated, in concluding the shots are safe. The younger children experienced similar or fewer reactions -- such as sore arms, fever or achiness -- than teens or young adults get after larger doses.

That study wasn’t large enough to detect any extremely rare side effects, such as the heart inflammation that occasionally occurs after the second full-strength dose, mostly in young men and teen boys. Regulators ultimately decided the benefits from vaccination outweigh the potential that younger kids getting a smaller dose also might experience that rare risk.

Some of CDC’s advisers said for some parents, deciding to get their children vaccinated may hinge on that small but scary risk.

“The risk of some sort of bad heart involvement is much higher if you get COVID than if you get this vaccine,” Dr. Matthew Oster, a pediatric cardiologist at Emory University, told the panel. “COVID is much riskier to the heart.”

Last week, FDA’s advisers struggled with whether every young child needed a vaccine. Youngsters hospitalized with COVID-19 are more likely to have high-risk conditions such as obesity or diabetes. But otherwise healthy children can get seriously ill, too, and the CDC’s advisers ultimately recommended the shots for all of them — even children who’ve already recovered from a bout of COVID-19.

CDC officials calculated that for every 500,000 youngsters vaccinated, between 18,000 and 58,000 COVID-19 cases — and between 80 and 226 hospitalizations — in that age group would be prevented, depending on the pandemic’s trajectory. And CDC officials noted that COVID-19 has caused more deaths in this age group than some other diseases, such as chickenpox, did before children were routinely vaccinated against them.

What about younger children? Pfizer is testing shots for babies and preschoolers and expects data around the end of the year. The similarly made Moderna vaccine also is being studied with young children. But the FDA still hasn’t cleared its use in teens, and the company is delaying its application for younger children pending that review.

A few countries have begun using other COVID-19 vaccines in children under 12, including China, which just began vaccinations for 3-year-olds. But many that use the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine are watching the U.S. decision, and European regulators just began considering the companies’ kid-size doses.

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This is just wrong in so many ways. 

 

Sask. residents paid others to get fraudulently vaccinated in their name, pharmacist group says

Vaccine fraud has occurred in Saskatchewan, with an unspecified number of people paying others to take their place during the vaccination process, according to a professional body representing pharmacists in the province.

The Saskatchewan College of Pharmacy Professionals (SCPP) "has confirmed there is vaccine fraud occurring within Saskatchewan," according to an Oct. 19 SCPP note to registered pharmacists obtained by CBC News.

 

"Individuals are paying others to get vaccinated under their name, using their health cards."

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/covid-19-vaccine-fraud-saskatchewan-pharmacies-1.6234522

 

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Getting sick and tired of the price gouging going on.  No idea why Trudeau doesn't do anything about it.

 

Thanks in part (maybe?) to idiots thinking ivermectin can be used instead of vaccines against Covid, the price has sky rocketed.

 

2 years ago, we bought a jug for $115.  Now, a jug is $152.  Oh, to make matters worse, the jug went from 5 liters in size to 4 liters!

 

$23 a liter 2 years ago to $38 a liter today!  

 

The got my 

 

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31 minutes ago, Heretic said:

Getting sick and tired of the price gouging going on.  No idea why Trudeau doesn't do anything about it.

 

Thanks in part (maybe?) to idiots thinking ivermectin can be used instead of vaccines against Covid, the price has sky rocketed.

 

2 years ago, we bought a jug for $115.  Now, a jug is $152.  Oh, to make matters worse, the jug went from 5 liters in size to 4 liters!

 

$23 a liter 2 years ago to $38 a liter today!  

 

The got my 

 

Trudeau?

 

Are you suggesting the PM should be telling private industry what prices they can charge for their goods and services? Sounds like Socialism to me....

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13 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Trudeau?

 

Are you suggesting the PM should be telling private industry what prices they can charge for their goods and services? Sounds like Socialism to me....

Amazing what people will blame the Prime Minister for.

 

And yes it sounds like he wants a little more more Putin in his life.

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52 minutes ago, Heretic said:

Getting sick and tired of the price gouging going on.  No idea why Trudeau doesn't do anything about it.

 

Thanks in part (maybe?) to idiots thinking ivermectin can be used instead of vaccines against Covid, the price has sky rocketed.

 

2 years ago, we bought a jug for $115.  Now, a jug is $152.  Oh, to make matters worse, the jug went from 5 liters in size to 4 liters!

 

$23 a liter 2 years ago to $38 a liter today!  

 

The got my 

 

How is Trudeau supposed to address increased global demand for a drug largely caused by misinformation originating in a foreign country?

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