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1 hour ago, TOMapleLaughs said:

everyone i know being infected

Strangely, not every one I know has had covid, so I guess we'll just have to go with what the actual numbers of people in the hospital and in ICU are showing us.

P.S.- those numbers are not great, but would be a lot worse if everything was just opened up.

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1 hour ago, stawns said:

So, by your own admission, Ear's are packed, but we should lift all restrictions and let it rip.  Even though ER's are currently packed?

 

Not ER. And not covid. It was status quo waiting room. Omicron essentially not a factor aside from wearing masks. 

 

We're already letting er rip. The remaining restrictions are fluff. 

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5 minutes ago, TOMapleLaughs said:

If only that erased reality and public opinion. 

Public opinion? What a joke.

 

Professional medical experts will decide when to lift restrictions.

Not a small group of truckers, or a smaller group of neo nazis, or a similarly sized group of people attempting to overthrow a democratically elected government.

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4 minutes ago, TOMapleLaughs said:

We're already letting er rip. The remaining restrictions are fluff. 

Yep.

 

No mask required at a restaurant when sitting, but mask required when standing.

 

Or my favourite, closing off half of Walmart so everyone is confined to the same aisles.

 

It's all theatre.

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9 minutes ago, Master Mind said:

Yep.

 

No mask required at a restaurant when sitting, but mask required when standing.

 

Or my favourite, closing off half of Walmart so everyone is confined to the same aisles.

 

It's all theatre.

Mask required when you're not eating or drinking at a restaurant.  Seems like a good compromise. 

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28 minutes ago, TOMapleLaughs said:

Couple weeks or what?  Not able to pretend we aren't getting it regardless for too much longer. 

 

Not to mention how overweight 90yr olds aren't exactly being affected by the remaining restrictions installed. 

So you are admitting that it will be based on numbers, not the temper tantrum morons in the FREEDUMB protests.  

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1 hour ago, TOMapleLaughs said:

It's been months of rampant omicron spread already to the point of essentially everyone i know being infected. Medical system still quite intact. And actually lackadaisical considering how packed that waiting room was. So pardon me if this looks like bunk at this point. Again just far too much anecdotal evidence is available now. 

Unless 'everyone you know' has been tested, nobody knows if they have had Omicron.  It's not like the common cold has disappeared off the face of the earth and the symptoms are very similar.  Sure, it is a highly contagious virus and there's a huge number of people getting infected, but without being tested, we'll never know the real numbers.

 

The only reason the medical system is still relatively intact, is because of the high Canadians that chose to be vaccinated. 

 

In the US, they are taking a different route because they vaccine rate is too low(65%) to support any attempt at herd immunity.  Basically, in the majority of states, mandates and protocols have been thrown out the window.  The way things are going in the States, I would think they will reach herd immunity by Easter. 

 

Unfortunately, 2600 people are dying each day (increased by 30% in the past 2 weeks to achieve this goal.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/04/us/us-covid-deaths.html

 

Of course, the notion that achieving herd immunity will bring the pandemic to an end is not a sure thing.  I did hear a report on NPR last night that some studies are showing that the combinations of being infected by Covid twice  or fully vaccinated and being infected (Omnicron) may encourage a much stronger immunity.  Fingers crossed!

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

Unless 'everyone you know' has been tested, nobody knows if they have had Omicron.  It's not like the common cold has disappeared off the face of the earth and the symptoms are very similar.  Sure, it is a highly contagious virus and there's a huge number of people getting infected, but without being tested, we'll never know the real numbers.

 

The only reason the medical system is still relatively intact, is because of the high Canadians that chose to be vaccinated. 

 

In the US, they are taking a different route because they vaccine rate is too low(65%) to support any attempt at herd immunity.  Basically, in the majority of states, mandates and protocols have been thrown out the window.  The way things are going in the States, I would think they will reach herd immunity by Easter. 

 

Unfortunately, 2600 people are dying each day (increased by 30% in the past 2 weeks to achieve this goal.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/04/us/us-covid-deaths.html

 

Of course, the notion that achieving herd immunity will bring the pandemic to an end is not a sure thing.  I did hear a report on NPR last night that some studies are showing that the combinations of being infected by Covid twice  or fully vaccinated and being infected (Omnicron) may encourage a much stronger immunity.  Fingers crossed!

 

 

 

during which time, they're looking at an additional 200-300k dead. It's horrifying that that is acceptable to them.

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29 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

A compromise, by definition, doesn't give either side exactly what they want.

It should make sense though.

 

Another example is making the NHL coaches wear a mask when none of the players are.

 

To be clear, I'm not advocating to get rid of masks. Just that some of the requirements give an illusion of care/safety, rather than actual protection.

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Just now, Master Mind said:

It should make sense though.

 

Another example is making the NHL coaches wear a mask when none of the players are.

 

To be clear, I'm not advocating to get rid of masks. Just that some of the requirements give an illusion of care/safety, rather than actual protection.

The idea is that wearing the mask all the time is preferable but not practical for obvious reasons.  This compromise allows restaurants to stay open for in person dining.

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10 minutes ago, Master Mind said:

It should make sense though.

 

Another example is making the NHL coaches wear a mask when none of the players are.

 

To be clear, I'm not advocating to get rid of masks. Just that some of the requirements give an illusion of care/safety, rather than actual protection.

Aren't players subject to being tested frequently?  That option isn't available for the average citizen so I don't see how it's comparable.

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