Alflives Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Jtutino said: 62.5 k comment on a hockey forum board? You must have a real exciting life.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jaimito Posted July 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2022 23 hours ago, Jtutino said: With vast majority of BC pop vaccinated, you need to look at the denominator, not just absolute numbers. In addition, the younger the population, the more likely the unvaccinated status, and hence less likelihood of severe disease. So a better metric is looking at rate per population (typically per 100k), and also age matched. It's on the second tab "Outcomes by Vax". http://www.bccdc.ca/health-professionals/data-reports/covid-19-surveillance-dashboard 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Brandon Sutter is using Ivermectin to treat his long COVID... https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl/canucks-brandon-sutter-still-stuck-in-covid-19-long-hauler-maze/ar-AA100n0G?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=3ad8a9efb222465b878f8c7da09dc2de Canucks: Brandon Sutter still stuck in COVID-19 long-hauler maze Brandon Sutter had time to talk because he has nothing but time. The long-serving Vancouver Canucks’ centre, who has struggled with severe COVID-19 long-hauler symptoms for nearly a year, is also an unrestricted free agent with an uncertain playing future. During a 160-kilometre drive from his off-season home in Sylvan Lake, Alta., to Calgary on Tuesday — a trek to the Hoffman Centre clinic he makes three times a week to receive intravenous treatments to fight protein inflammation — there was a mix of anticipation and angst in his voice. Sutter, 33, is buoyed by recent medical advancements in long-haul detection and treatments, but continues to suffer with a lack of breath and weakness. “Basically, I’ve been left with a lot of different things,” said Sutter. “With my lungs and my breathing and any exertion, I just can’t do it. I stop and feel like I have to cough something out and just feel like I can’t get oxygen into my body. “And if I do too much, I get short of breath and when I try to take a deep breath, I just can’t get it. That’s how it feels. “I still can’t do any cardio. I tried working out again in March and April to kind of get going again. But I’d have a really bad day and it would just crush me — I just couldn’t do it — because of a lack of oxygen and just depleting myself. The lingering effect is an inability to breath normally and properly. “I was also having gastrointestinal issues, but I’m a 100 per cent better than I was a year ago. But I still can’t train or work out. When I take it easier, I’m OK. When I do too much, it just crushes me.” Present procedures are designed to allow the body to heal itself naturally without the short-term fix of steroids because Sutter has a low fat percentage in his blood and body. “The ongoing issue is we don’t exactly know what we’re trying to heal yet,” admitted Sutter. “I’ve seen studies where long-COVID could be like micro-clotting in your lungs and your body having an inability to process oxygen. I don’t have a result of whether I have that or not, but it sure lines up with what I’m dealing with.” Microscopic clots can also restrict blood flow in the lungs and impair oxygen exchange and the only supplement that Sutter continues to take is Ivermectin. It’s used to de-worm farm animals and mainly cattle, but in the human form, it’s prescribed for parasites and worms. “Canadian doctors are not allowed to prescribe it for COVID and I had to get it myself, but it helps remove the COVID spike protein,” added Sutter. “It works. And in the U.S., it’s everywhere and it’s helping a lot of people and there is zero risk. “It either helps you or it doesn’t, but 100 per cent it won’t hurt you. I can’t speak for others, but it has helped me.” Sutter was having a satisfying 2020-21 season before it went sideways. He was moved back to centre from wing to help stop the bleeding of goals and responded with his first career hat trick — including a short-handed effort — in a 7-1 pounding of the Ottawa Senators on Jan. 25, 2021. But then came a team COVID outbreak. The Canucks were shut down March 31 and 22 players were afflicted with varying degrees of symptoms, nine games were postponed and one rescheduled. “A lot of people who have been long-haulers have said they got better and then worse later,” said Sutter. “That was me. I came back and played after (shutdown) and I didn’t really noticed any issues. Then in May and June, I started having a couple of issues of being short of breath and then I’d be OK. I could train and skate and it wasn’t really an issue. “In early August and after I got my vaccine, one thing I learned about this is my body was depleted of COVID. When I was actually able to get my vaccine because they weren’t available for our age yet — and I had to wait 90 days after COVID — had I known what I know now, I wouldn’t have got vaccinated for at least a year. “What I gathered from specialists and doctors is that the spike protein from the virus is the residual effect and still in your body. The first two weeks, you fight off the worst of it and it’s gone. My body still had the spike protein and my body was still fighting it. “Then I got the vaccine and it just made things worse and my second vaccine made it worse again. I wish I would have waited until I felt 100 per cent healthy before getting the vaccine, but at that time, nobody really knew the answers on this stuff. “It was trial-and-error and really didn’t work out for me. I’m in no way an anti-vaxxer. What I learned is that the spike protein is already in your body and you can’t put more in. “As far as I know, I’ve only had COVID that one time.” There is no timeline for long-hauler recovery. The looming reality for Sutter is that his 770 career regular-season games split between the Carolina Hurricanes, Pittsburgh Penguins and the Canucks are fading in the rear-view mirror and there’s no map for the road ahead. “I’m obviously still hopeful I can come back and play, but I just don’t know when that is going to be,” said Sutter, who amassed 289 points (152-137) over 13 seasons. “I just want to feel normal again. Then I can start thinking about training and preparing but for now, it’s about taking care of myself and worrying about hockey later. I know for me there’s only a few years left at best. “It’s crappy and has been a grind for my wife to deal with it, but a lot of people are going through worse things than I’m going through. The blessing is to be home every day after we had our third baby (Maddie), but if I take the kids for a bike ride, I’m gassed.” Sutter is grateful for a healthy family and what the game has provided and staying involved in some manner seems like a natural transition. Always approachable in the room, win or lose, to give context to the season is something that comes naturally to him. Imagine if Hockey Canada, that’s under the federal and moral microscope for alleged sexual misconduct by its players, had somebody like Sutter to school players when they enter the national program? Seems like a natural fit. “I haven’t thought about that because I’m still focused on playing, but that would certainly be of interest,” said Sutter. bkuzma@postmedia.com twitter.com/benkuzma It’s no fun being very ill. I’m sure Sutter would kiss an Alligator on the nose if he felt it would help him. And at least he wouldn’t have to worry about getting worms for the smooch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Jtutino said: Well why are you so upset by the information I posted? Why do I have to interpret the data for you? Are you unable to do so for yourself? What I posted wasnt an opion it was facts brought to you by the b.c center for disease control. You say you like information but it seems like you only like information that supports your point of view. I posted it because that information use to be posted with the other covid numbers on this thread until a couple months ago. I wonder why it isnt anymore........... It was hard to find so I posted it for other people who want to see it. You...didn't post information. You posted a screen shot of a 55 day cycle with zero actual data, zero reasoning and zero follow up. I'm just asking for further data and you're getting all butt hurt and defensive. Figger it out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Jtutino said: Well why are you so upset by the information I posted? Why do I have to interpret the data for you? Are you unable to do so for yourself? What I posted wasnt an opion it was facts brought to you by the b.c center for disease control. You say you like information but it seems like you only like information that supports your point of view. I posted it because that information use to be posted with the other covid numbers on this thread until a couple months ago. I wonder why it isnt anymore........... It was hard to find so I posted it for other people who want to see it. See below. That's data. Credible information. Not just a screen shot. 8 minutes ago, Jaimito said: With vast majority of BC pop vaccinated, you need to look at the denominator, not just absolute numbers. In addition, the younger the population, the more likely the unvaccinated status, and hence less likelihood of severe disease. So a better metric is looking at rate per population (typically per 100k), and also age matched. It's on the second tab "Outcomes by Vax". http://www.bccdc.ca/health-professionals/data-reports/covid-19-surveillance-dashboard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Brandon Sutter is using Ivermectin to treat his long COVID... https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl/canucks-brandon-sutter-still-stuck-in-covid-19-long-hauler-maze/ar-AA100n0G?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=3ad8a9efb222465b878f8c7da09dc2de Canucks: Brandon Sutter still stuck in COVID-19 long-hauler maze Brandon Sutter had time to talk because he has nothing but time. The long-serving Vancouver Canucks’ centre, who has struggled with severe COVID-19 long-hauler symptoms for nearly a year, is also an unrestricted free agent with an uncertain playing future. During a 160-kilometre drive from his off-season home in Sylvan Lake, Alta., to Calgary on Tuesday — a trek to the Hoffman Centre clinic he makes three times a week to receive intravenous treatments to fight protein inflammation — there was a mix of anticipation and angst in his voice. Sutter, 33, is buoyed by recent medical advancements in long-haul detection and treatments, but continues to suffer with a lack of breath and weakness. “Basically, I’ve been left with a lot of different things,” said Sutter. “With my lungs and my breathing and any exertion, I just can’t do it. I stop and feel like I have to cough something out and just feel like I can’t get oxygen into my body. “And if I do too much, I get short of breath and when I try to take a deep breath, I just can’t get it. That’s how it feels. “I still can’t do any cardio. I tried working out again in March and April to kind of get going again. But I’d have a really bad day and it would just crush me — I just couldn’t do it — because of a lack of oxygen and just depleting myself. The lingering effect is an inability to breath normally and properly. “I was also having gastrointestinal issues, but I’m a 100 per cent better than I was a year ago. But I still can’t train or work out. When I take it easier, I’m OK. When I do too much, it just crushes me.” Present procedures are designed to allow the body to heal itself naturally without the short-term fix of steroids because Sutter has a low fat percentage in his blood and body. “The ongoing issue is we don’t exactly know what we’re trying to heal yet,” admitted Sutter. “I’ve seen studies where long-COVID could be like micro-clotting in your lungs and your body having an inability to process oxygen. I don’t have a result of whether I have that or not, but it sure lines up with what I’m dealing with.” Microscopic clots can also restrict blood flow in the lungs and impair oxygen exchange and the only supplement that Sutter continues to take is Ivermectin. It’s used to de-worm farm animals and mainly cattle, but in the human form, it’s prescribed for parasites and worms. “Canadian doctors are not allowed to prescribe it for COVID and I had to get it myself, but it helps remove the COVID spike protein,” added Sutter. “It works. And in the U.S., it’s everywhere and it’s helping a lot of people and there is zero risk. “It either helps you or it doesn’t, but 100 per cent it won’t hurt you. I can’t speak for others, but it has helped me.” Sutter was having a satisfying 2020-21 season before it went sideways. He was moved back to centre from wing to help stop the bleeding of goals and responded with his first career hat trick — including a short-handed effort — in a 7-1 pounding of the Ottawa Senators on Jan. 25, 2021. But then came a team COVID outbreak. The Canucks were shut down March 31 and 22 players were afflicted with varying degrees of symptoms, nine games were postponed and one rescheduled. “A lot of people who have been long-haulers have said they got better and then worse later,” said Sutter. “That was me. I came back and played after (shutdown) and I didn’t really noticed any issues. Then in May and June, I started having a couple of issues of being short of breath and then I’d be OK. I could train and skate and it wasn’t really an issue. “In early August and after I got my vaccine, one thing I learned about this is my body was depleted of COVID. When I was actually able to get my vaccine because they weren’t available for our age yet — and I had to wait 90 days after COVID — had I known what I know now, I wouldn’t have got vaccinated for at least a year. “What I gathered from specialists and doctors is that the spike protein from the virus is the residual effect and still in your body. The first two weeks, you fight off the worst of it and it’s gone. My body still had the spike protein and my body was still fighting it. “Then I got the vaccine and it just made things worse and my second vaccine made it worse again. I wish I would have waited until I felt 100 per cent healthy before getting the vaccine, but at that time, nobody really knew the answers on this stuff. “It was trial-and-error and really didn’t work out for me. I’m in no way an anti-vaxxer. What I learned is that the spike protein is already in your body and you can’t put more in. “As far as I know, I’ve only had COVID that one time.” There is no timeline for long-hauler recovery. The looming reality for Sutter is that his 770 career regular-season games split between the Carolina Hurricanes, Pittsburgh Penguins and the Canucks are fading in the rear-view mirror and there’s no map for the road ahead. “I’m obviously still hopeful I can come back and play, but I just don’t know when that is going to be,” said Sutter, who amassed 289 points (152-137) over 13 seasons. “I just want to feel normal again. Then I can start thinking about training and preparing but for now, it’s about taking care of myself and worrying about hockey later. I know for me there’s only a few years left at best. “It’s crappy and has been a grind for my wife to deal with it, but a lot of people are going through worse things than I’m going through. The blessing is to be home every day after we had our third baby (Maddie), but if I take the kids for a bike ride, I’m gassed.” Sutter is grateful for a healthy family and what the game has provided and staying involved in some manner seems like a natural transition. Always approachable in the room, win or lose, to give context to the season is something that comes naturally to him. Imagine if Hockey Canada, that’s under the federal and moral microscope for alleged sexual misconduct by its players, had somebody like Sutter to school players when they enter the national program? Seems like a natural fit. “I haven’t thought about that because I’m still focused on playing, but that would certainly be of interest,” said Sutter. bkuzma@postmedia.com twitter.com/benkuzma Too bad he is still fighting it. Very little is known about how to treat it at this time. Ivermectin doesn't remove spike proteins. Besides a viral infection produces not just spike proteins. SARS-CoV-2 has many proteins when it infects the body. All of them are immunogenic because they are foreign to the human body. After a person clears the infection, the immunity towards it may linger. Viral proteins are removed from the body over time. The viral genomic material doesn't integrate in your DNA, like HIV or herpes virus for example. And depending on how bad his covid was, there can also be damages to his body that will take time to heal. My friend in his 30s got covid in Mar 2020, fought it off at home. He still has a trouble with spelling words 6 months later and he is a high functioning physician. Best of luck to Sutter. I don't think he has the best medical advice. If ivermectin worked, he should be playing now. Edited July 26, 2022 by Jaimito 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jaimito said: Too bad he is still fighting it. Very little is known about how to treat it at this time. Ivermectin doesn't remove spike proteins. Besides a viral infection produces not just spike proteins. SARS-CoV-2 has many proteins when it infects the body. All of them are immunogenic because they are foreign to the human body. After a person clears the infection, the immunity towards it may linger. Viral proteins are removed from the body over time. The viral genomic material doesn't integrate in your DNA, like HIV or Heroes virus for example. And depending on how bad his covid was, there can also be damages to his body that will take time to heal. My friend in his 30s got covid in Mar 2020, fought it off at home. He still has a trouble with spelling words 6 months later and he is a high functioning physician. Best of luck to Sutter. I don't think he has the best medical advice. If ivermectin worked, he should be playing now. I'm 2.5 years of suffering after an infection early on. I'm just starting to feel in the normal-ish range, but it's been a lng struggle and I don't actually think I'll ever be the same 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post ak96 Posted July 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) On 7/26/2022 at 4:38 PM, Jaimito said: With vast majority of BC pop vaccinated, you need to look at the denominator, not just absolute numbers. In addition, the younger the population, the more likely the unvaccinated status, and hence less likelihood of severe disease. So a better metric is looking at rate per population (typically per 100k), and also age matched. It's on the second tab "Outcomes by Vax". http://www.bccdc.ca/health-professionals/data-reports/covid-19-surveillance-dashboard This is very compelling to take the vaccine and continue the boosters. When you convert it on a % basis it equals 0.0763% of unvaccinated need to be hospilized "with" covid Taking two shots further reduces the risk of hospilization to 0.0486% And if you do the right thing and protect your community to 2+ boosters it falls to 0.0403% The risk of critical care is 0.0174% for unvaccinated 0.0078% for double vaccinated and 0.0059% for 3+ doses. So taking at least one booster gives you a 0.0019% better chance to stay off a ventilator. Why wouldn't you help your odds and protect your community to save the vent to someone who actually needs it? There is no concrete proof of any vaccine adverse events. So that is 0.0000% with zero side effects so there should be no worries from the unvaxxed who question the science. Also, what is scarey is the Jaimito BC charts on display doesn't even include the unvaccinated deceased who died with covid. Since fully vaccinated, I've only contracted covid twice , the unvaccinated crowd must have passed it on much more. The quoted chart shows we need a harsh lockdown till everyone has at least 3 or 4 shots. Why do we tolerate those who have 2 shots or less? We can move the needle from .00174% needing critical care to .0059%. Edited July 30, 2022 by ak96 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 I received an e mail last week about my 4rth shot, seems they figure, at my age bracket, it best to wait till just before fall to give me the 4th. I'm already really, really, tired of the small but growing amount of morons on the web talking about "sudden adult death syndrome, and dropping fertility rates" and it being related to the vaccines Trying showing some f in evidence to support your argument, putzes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JM_ Posted July 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2022 1 hour ago, gurn said: I received an e mail last week about my 4rth shot, seems they figure, at my age bracket, it best to wait till just before fall to give me the 4th. I'm already really, really, tired of the small but growing amount of morons on the web talking about "sudden adult death syndrome, and dropping fertility rates" and it being related to the vaccines Trying showing some f in evidence to support your argument, putzes. I'm at the point where if someone is stupid enough to believe that, they get what they deserve. Follow Facebook over the cliff. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak96 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, JM_ said: I'm at the point where if someone is stupid enough to believe that, they get what they deserve. Follow Facebook over the cliff. They were also stupid enough to think that we took the vaccine solely because we were told the vaccine stopped someone from contracting the virus (no politician or health official said that). We all know and were explicitly told that the vaccine was to limit the symptoms and protect the community (we are likely not to transmit the virus as much as the unvaxxed). In which the unvaxxed don't care about anyone else and they themselves are dying in droves. But who needs dumb convoy supporters who are also likely mysoginists and racists. Covid isn't finished with them. The data is clear 0.0174% of the unvaxxed currently is needing critical care. Just going to take some time to finish them off. Edited July 30, 2022 by ak96 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, ak96 said: They were also stupid enough to think that we took the vaccine solely because we were told the vaccine stopped someone from contracting the virus (no politician or health official said that). We all know and were explicitly told that the vaccine was to limit the symptoms and protect the community. In which the unvaxxed don't care about anyone else and they themselves are dying in droves. But who needs dumb convoy supporters who are also likely mysoginists and racists. Covid isn't finished with them. I just want them to go away. I just don't have any respect for people that choose stupid and wear it like a badge of honour. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MikeBossy Posted July 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2022 23 hours ago, JM_ said: I just want them to go away. I just don't have any respect for people that choose stupid and wear it like a badge of honour. Oh Jimmy don't you know - the unvaccinated are already wearing a badge - just like the Jews had to during the holocaust 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 (edited) Yep. We'll be back to the stone age within a couple generations. We will share our stories of triumph on the walls of Cavebook. Edited July 31, 2022 by bishopshodan 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 2 hours ago, MikeBossy said: Oh Jimmy don't you know - the unvaccinated are already wearing a badge - just like the Jews had to during the holocaust thats true, when you really think about it, Canadian anti-vaxxers are history's greatest victims. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 hour ago, bishopshodan said: Yep. We'll be back to the stone age within a couple generations. We will share our stories of triumph on the walls of Cavebook. omg you mean Lascaux is just a bunch of anti-witch doctor ranting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 hour ago, JM_ said: omg you mean Lascaux is just a bunch of anti-witch doctor ranting? Don't trust mainstream media. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Two members of my own family have given up on getting any further vaccinations. My bil, said the Government is already making too much money, whatever in hell that means. They're given to us free of charge, big facepalm is all I offer. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brilac Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 People are tired and I can see why some don't want to get further vaccinations. When this began, I was terrified and stayed at home over a year and barely went out, and if I did, it was walking at night or in the wee hours of the morning. I also got my groceries delivered which were left at the door. When I got vaccinated, I started living a little and started going to the grocery store and with a mask of course and I started going on walks during the day again. Then there was the booster shot, and then another booster shot 6 months later. This year I started living more. I went to a NKOTB concert, and before that, I went to hockey games. And I'm thinking about getting on an airplane for a day trip, and I would really like to go up to Vancouver and over to Victoria. And maybe Whistler. Getting my life back. I will take all the precautions like hand sanitizer and double masking with a KN95 and a cloth mask over at hockey games and if I take a day trip if travelling on a bus or an airplane. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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