Coronavirus outbreak

[KristoffWixenschon]

3 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

That's possible in some cases, but the poster I was responding to was suggesting that people who were not getting boosted, hadn't want to get vaccinated at all and only did so because they were "forced" to....

I'm sure that's true in some cases too. 

 

I dont remember exactly but weren't we at 80% vaccination rates prior to the vaccine mandates, then 90% after the mandates?

 

So that's probably true for a lot of those people who were vaccinated in that time frame. 

There must be several different reasons people arent getting boosted in large numbers.

[JM_]

13 minutes ago, KristoffWixenschon said:

I'm sure that's true in some cases too. 

 

I dont remember exactly but weren't we at 80% vaccination rates prior to the vaccine mandates, then 90% after the mandates?

 

So that's probably true for a lot of those people who were vaccinated in that time frame. 

There must be several different reasons people arent getting boosted in large numbers.

I suspect it has to do with most people either having had or being exposed to covid, so maybe they figure why bother? its misguided but I can see why someone who's had covid might think another booster wouldn't help them. 

 

It could also just be messaging fatigue, people just aren't getting the message anymore. 

 

It shows how fickle we are as a group. Not so long ago we were upset over not having faster access to a shot, now most people are meh. We're lemmings. 

 

[J.I.A.H.N]

Just got my 4th shot yesterday. I was able to just walk in to the clinic. I actually got both the covid and the flu shot. No big deal. 

 

Having had covid recently, I can tell you that the shot is a very small price to pay for the inconvenience of actually having it, having to stay home for a week and coughing for 3 weeks was not fun! And that is with being vaccinated. I could not imagine what it would have been like without it!

 

I can also say that having given Covid to my wife, my tenant, 2 of my hockey buddies, I don't like the guilt of having affected someone else's life.

 

Most of my buddies.......60 + years of age are all up on their shots

 

Just for the record, I know 2 people who have died of Covid................neither was vaxxed, and of the 50 + people who have been vaxxed, none have seen a hospital

 

So, for me, its Pay me now or pay me later!

 

Incidentally, my buddies mom, who is 87 years old, got Covid, and before she tested, she was having low blood pressure, arrythmia, and diarrhea, she went and got a shot of the  Anti Viral drug Paxlovid and was on the mend withing the second day....................

[KristoffWixenschon]

1 hour ago, JM_ said:

I suspect it has to do with most people either having had or being exposed to covid, so maybe they figure why bother? its misguided but I can see why someone who's had covid might think another booster wouldn't help them. 

 

It could also just be messaging fatigue, people just aren't getting the message anymore. 

 

It shows how fickle we are as a group. Not so long ago we were upset over not having faster access to a shot, now most people are meh. We're lemmings. 

 

Yeah I agree, already having had covid and messaging fatigue. Those are two more reasons why people are reluctant or ambivalent about getting another booster.

 

Societal perception of the disease has changed. But also the disease has changed. 

 

I dont necessarily agree that we are lemmings (in this specific case. I agree we are lemmings in general, especially politically haha). My perception is that people are fatigued, they already feel like they are adequately protected with their current vaccination/infection status and they are less worried about the current strain of the virus.

[JM_]

40 minutes ago, KristoffWixenschon said:

Yeah I agree, already having had covid and messaging fatigue. Those are two more reasons why people are reluctant or ambivalent about getting another booster.

 

Societal perception of the disease has changed. But also the disease has changed. 

 

I dont necessarily agree that we are lemmings (in this specific case. I agree we are lemmings in general, especially politically haha). My perception is that people are fatigued, they already feel like they are adequately protected with their current vaccination/infection status and they are less worried about the current strain of the virus.

oh, we're lemmings. 

 

Instead of following expert advice people are going with the public perception idea that its OK to skip the booster protection. 

 

[thedestroyerofworlds]

2 hours ago, KristoffWixenschon said:

I'm sure that's true in some cases too. 

 

I dont remember exactly but weren't we at 80% vaccination rates prior to the vaccine mandates, then 90% after the mandates?

 

So that's probably true for a lot of those people who were vaccinated in that time frame. 

There must be several different reasons people arent getting boosted in large numbers.

I know a couple people who wouldn't have got vaccinated if it wasn't for the mandates.  They haven't got boosted, in large part because they don't see the need or they have some anti-vaxx influence in their life.

[KristoffWixenschon]

7 minutes ago, JM_ said:

oh, we're lemmings. 

 

Instead of following expert advice people are going with the public perception idea that its OK to skip the booster protection. 

 

Expert advice is a funny thing because it's all based on the interpretation of data.

 

The current data suggests that for most people, skipping a 4th dose is fine.

The data is pretty clear that 4th doses for healthcare workers, people over 60 and the immunocompromised, show significant reduction in symptoms, severe disease and death.

But for most healthy young people, especially those who have prior infection, there hasn't been a statistical benefit to receiving a 4th dose.

 

Even the WHO doesn't recommend 4th doses for young healthy populations. Now to be clear, the WHO doesnt tell young people to NOT to get a 4th dose. The vaccines are safe and they recognize that. They just dont recommend young people as a priority group.

 

https://www.who.int/news/item/17-05-2022-interim-statement-on-the-use-of-additional-booster-doses-of-emergency-use-listed-mrna-vaccines-against-covid-19

 

It will be interesting as we move forward. This is all subject to change as more studies are done and we gather more long term data.

[KristoffWixenschon]

9 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

I know a couple people who wouldn't have got vaccinated if it wasn't for the mandates.  They haven't got boosted, in large part because they don't see the need or they have some anti-vaxx influence in their life.

Haha sounds like you know my parents.

[JM_]

33 minutes ago, KristoffWixenschon said:

Expert advice is a funny thing because it's all based on the interpretation of data.

 

The current data suggests that for most people, skipping a 4th dose is fine.

The data is pretty clear that 4th doses for healthcare workers, people over 60 and the immunocompromised, show significant reduction in symptoms, severe disease and death.

But for most healthy young people, especially those who have prior infection, there hasn't been a statistical benefit to receiving a 4th dose.

 

Even the WHO doesn't recommend 4th doses for young healthy populations. Now to be clear, the WHO doesnt tell young people to NOT to get a 4th dose. The vaccines are safe and they recognize that. They just dont recommend young people as a priority group.

 

https://www.who.int/news/item/17-05-2022-interim-statement-on-the-use-of-additional-booster-doses-of-emergency-use-listed-mrna-vaccines-against-covid-19

 

It will be interesting as we move forward. This is all subject to change as more studies are done and we gather more long term data.

isn't this ^ a whole lot better than people winging it? 

[4petesake]

Uptake of third doses are not quite as slow as speculated here in BC, specially when you look at different regions. Overall BC has a fully vaccinated with one booster rate of just under 58%. 
 

Edit to note that almost 9000 British Columbians received their third dose yesterday.

 

 

Edited October 21, 2022 by 4petesake

[D.B Cooper]

4 hours ago, KristoffWixenschon said:

I'm sure that's true in some cases too. 

 

I dont remember exactly but weren't we at 80% vaccination rates prior to the vaccine mandates, then 90% after the mandates?

 

So that's probably true for a lot of those people who were vaccinated in that time frame. 

There must be several different reasons people arent getting boosted in large numbers.

 

I’ve got a couple reasons why I haven’t gotten boosted.  I’ve got my first two, but not doing any more.  

We will start with the distrust in our health officials. 
I’ve watched them fumble move after move. 
They started by saying get the vax because it stops transmission. That was the only reason why I got it.  I’m healthy. I would be fine. 
I was worried for my parents. I didn’t want to give it to them. 
BUT.  We soon found out, it doesn’t stop transmission at all. 
My whole shop is vaxed.   Everyone in here has had it at least once.  
But they still tried blabbing the same shit. 
Also, as a rule, I don’t take advice from people who sound like they don’t know what they are talking about.  Coughbonnyhenrycough.  
Too much wishy washy bullshit for me. 
 

Second, and the most important one to me, I’ve had it 3 times now.  
It’s fine. It’s not even bad. 
Almost everyone I know who has gotten the booster, has gotten more sick from the shot than I have gotten from covid.  

 

Also, when does it end?   6 shots?  10?  
 

[4petesake]

13 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said:

I’ve got a couple reasons why I haven’t gotten boosted.  I’ve got my first two, but not doing any more.  

We will start with the distrust in our health officials. 
I’ve watched them fumble move after move. 
They started by saying get the vax because it stops transmission. That was the only reason why I got it.  I’m healthy. I would be fine. 
I was worried for my parents. I didn’t want to give it to them. 
BUT.  We soon found out, it doesn’t stop transmission at all. 
My whole shop is vaxed.   Everyone in here has had it at least once.  
But they still tried blabbing the same shit. 
Also, as a rule, I don’t take advice from people who sound like they don’t know what they are talking about.  Coughbonnyhenrycough.  
Too much wishy washy bullshit for me. 
 

Second, and the most important one to me, I’ve had it 3 times now.  
It’s fine. It’s not even bad. 
Almost everyone I know who has gotten the booster, has gotten more sick from the shot than I have gotten from covid.  

 

Also, when does it end?   6 shots?  10?  
 

Full credit to you for getting the first two, to me that shows reasonable care and concern for your parents and others. I really don’t care if people choose not to get any more after that.

 

As far as when does it end…6…10?

The flu shot is yearly. Just sayin’…

[D.B Cooper]

Just now, 4petesake said:

Full credit to you for getting the first two, to me that shows reasonable care and concern for your parents and others. I really don’t care if people choose not to get any more after that.

 

As far as when does it end…6…10?

The flu shot is yearly. Just sayin’…

I personally don’t care if people get any or not. 
It’s not my place to have an opinion on what people need to inject into their bodies. 
 

I’ve never gotten a flu shot, and before shaming people was the cool thing to do, nobody gave a shit if others got the flu shot.   
If I get the flu, which I usually don’t, I stay home.  Like a normal person should.  Haha. 
 

[DrJockitch]

3 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said:

I personally don’t care if people get any or not. 
It’s not my place to have an opinion on what people need to inject into their bodies. 
 

I’ve never gotten a flu shot, and before shaming people was the cool thing to do, nobody gave a shit if others got the flu shot.   
If I get the flu, which I usually don’t, I stay home.  Like a normal person should.  Haha. 
 

Every year we care if people get the flu shot and mandate it in health care as it should be. 
People underestimate the flu significantly and really misunderstand it. 
good for you staying home when not feeling well and while we can ignore that you are often spreading the virus before you feel poorly, many people don’t have the luxury or work in places that have punitive work note rules to quietly force people to work when sick. 

[4petesake]

6 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said:

I personally don’t care if people get any or not. 
It’s not my place to have an opinion on what people need to inject into their bodies. 
 

I’ve never gotten a flu shot, and before shaming people was the cool thing to do, nobody gave a shit if others got the flu shot.   
If I get the flu, which I usually don’t, I stay home.  Like a normal person should.  Haha. 
 

Seems like you do care. You were worried about giving it to your parents so you got injected. I’m guessing you must have had an opinion about  other unvaccinated people that came into contact with them otherwise why bother?

[Ghostsof1915]

I've just had the regular flu (Tested twice, negative covid).

But there's very little congestion, it's a fever that doesn't like to break. I thought I'd be well enough to work from home. But I'm still light headed. The headaches and nausea are gone though. But yeah I might still work from home next week.

[KristoffWixenschon]

1 hour ago, JM_ said:

isn't this ^ a whole lot better than people winging it? 

Absolutely!

 

I thought you had insinuated that it was going against expert advice for people to skip a 4th dose.

 

I may have totally misunderstood your meaning! My bad!

 

Yeah I agree. It's much better to follow current data. Current data changes over time and I think that's where we lose a lot of people and they become confused and angry ("they keep changing the guidelines!"). 

But I'm glad the advice changes over time. That means we are learning!

Edited October 21, 2022 by KristoffWixenschon

[JM_]

4 minutes ago, KristoffWixenschon said:

Absolutely!

 

I thought you had insinuated that it was going against expert advice for people to skip a 4th dose.

 

I may have totally misunderstood your meaning! My bad!

Not not at all. no worries.

 

4 minutes ago, KristoffWixenschon said:

 

Yeah I agree. It's much better to follow current data. Current data changes over time and I think that's where we lose a lot of people and they become confused and angry ("they keep changing the guidelines!"). 

But I'm glad the advice changes over time. That means we are learning!

the fact is, we have experts and while they sometimes get it wrong, their mistakes are at least opportunities for learning. People winging it don't learn anything. 

[mdehaan]

2 hours ago, JM_ said:

oh, we're lemmings. 

 

Instead of following expert advice people are going with the public perception idea that its OK to skip the booster protection. 

 

Unfortunately 'experts' have biases and emotions like fear and greed. They are also not correct 100% of the time, in fact much less than 100% of the time.

Global finance 'experts' are a very good example of this right now.

[JM_]

Just now, mdehaan said:

Unfortunately 'experts' have biases and emotions like fear and greed. They are also not correct 100% of the time, in fact much less than 100% of the time.

Global finance 'experts' are a very good example of this right now.

see the nice thing about science is you get to learn from past mistakes and build better systems. 

 

Would you like people to take the same approach to airplane safety as they do with covid?