Coronavirus outbreak

[MikeBossy]

5 hours ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

When the morons get in control, watch out.  I'd hate to be Albertastan if another wave hits.

 

 

 

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/smith-looking-to-block-future-mask-mandates-in-schools-1.6130779

Smith looking to block future mask mandates in schools

We like things backwards her in Albertabama ok 

[Playoff Beered]

Scientists Fear New COVID Strains Are Deadly—Just Like 2020 Wave

https://www.thedailybeast.com/scientists-fear-bq1-covid-variants-are-deadly-like-the-2020-wave?source=articles&via=rss

[Gurn]

^ from the link

"In general, the greater the fusogenicity, the more severe the disease. Liu and his colleagues “observed increased cell-cell fusion in several new Omicron subvariants compared to their respective parental subvariants,” they wrote in their study, which appeared online on Oct. 20 and is still under peer review at New England Journal of Medicine."

 

Nothing against these researchers but I hope they are wrong.

We will know more after the 'peer review' process; but it does not look good.

They do indicate that the vaccine(s) are still working well, so it will once again be the un vaxxed, feeling most of the damage.

Hope those that get ill don't plug up, and collapse the system.

 

 

 

 

[JM_]

6 hours ago, Playoff Beered said:

Scientists Fear New COVID Strains Are Deadly—Just Like 2020 Wave

https://www.thedailybeast.com/scientists-fear-bq1-covid-variants-are-deadly-like-the-2020-wave?source=articles&via=rss

important to read to the end:

 

But one thing is clear. For all their transmissibility and fusogenicity, the new subvariants haven’t significantly escaped the immune effects of the leading vaccines. And the latest “bivalent” boosters, formulated specifically for BA.4 and BA.5, should maintain the vaccines’ effectiveness as long as the dominant subvariants are closely related to Omicron.

Get vaccinated and stay current on your boosters. It’s impossible to stress this too much. Yes, BQ.1 and its cousins exhibit some alarming qualities that could bend the arc of the pandemic back toward widespread death and disruption.

But only if you’re unvaccinated or way behind on your boosters.

[RUPERTKBD]

Great point Jimmy...

 

This is one thing that irritates me about the anti-vax (or vax hesitant) crowd....they treat Covid-19 as if it's a singular virus. They say things like "They told us the vaccines would prevent infection", etc, etc...

 

But that depends on which strain and which vaccine you're talking about. Early strains were effectively eliminated....later strains were more resistant, but vaccination in most cases, prevented serious illness.

 

When I see people say they're not going to bother with boosters, because they've had two shots and/or have already had Covid, I just want to shake my head. The latest booster is targeted at the newer strains....if you were willing to get 2 doses, why would you balk at a 3rd, or even a 4th?

 

Check out the last paragraph of Jimmy's post above....words to live by...perhaps literally....

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

There was a good piece in The Conversation written by a researcher at Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario, about how the virus attacks the mitochondria in the lung cells.  I can't quote the whole article here because it doesn't format nicely - however, here's the URL:

 

https://theconversation.com/how-covid-19-damages-lungs-the-virus-attacks-mitochondria-continuing-an-ancient-battle-that-began-in-the-primordial-soup-192597

 

A small excerpt from the article:

 

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Viral proteins fragment the mitochondria, depriving cells of energy and interfering with their oxygen-sensing capability. The viral attack on mitochondria starts within hours of infection, turning on genes that break the mitochondria into pieces (called mitochondrial fission) and make their membranes leaky (an early step in apoptosis called mitochondrial depolarization).

 

In our experiments, we didn’t need to use a replicating virus to damage the mitochondria — simply introducing single SARS-CoV-2 proteins was enough to cause these adverse effects. This mitochondrial damage also occurred with other coronaviruses that we studied.

 

We are now developing drugs that may one day counteract COVID-19 by blocking mitochondrial fission and apoptosis, or by preserving hypoxic pulmonary vasoconstriction. Our drug discovery efforts have already enabled us to identify a promising mitochondrial fission inhibitor, called Drpitor1a.

 

Our team’s infectious diseases expert, Gerald Evans, notes that this discovery also has the potential to help us understand Long COVID. “The predominant features of that condition — fatigue and neurologic dysfunction — could be due to the lingering effects of mitochondrial damage caused by SARS-CoV-2 infection,” he explains.

 

[Alflives]

9 hours ago, JM_ said:

important to read to the end:

 

But one thing is clear. For all their transmissibility and fusogenicity, the new subvariants haven’t significantly escaped the immune effects of the leading vaccines. And the latest “bivalent” boosters, formulated specifically for BA.4 and BA.5, should maintain the vaccines’ effectiveness as long as the dominant subvariants are closely related to Omicron.

Get vaccinated and stay current on your boosters. It’s impossible to stress this too much. Yes, BQ.1 and its cousins exhibit some alarming qualities that could bend the arc of the pandemic back toward widespread death and disruption.

But only if you’re unvaccinated or way behind on your boosters.

Or, if you’re a complete moron. 

[JM_]

22 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Or, if you’re a complete moron. 

I've just lost any ability to care about these folks. I guess thats harsh but they wore me down. Congratulations. 

[Ghostsof1915]

Ok if the province and health authorities made mistakes, the other side did too, usually with deadly consequences.

- Vaxxing puts 5G in my system.

My reception is just the same.

- Vaxxing puts things in my blood!

 Yeah it's supposed to help reduce your symptoms to keep you out of the hospital or dying. Remember that's reduction, not 100% protection.

- My life, my choice!

Funny, people seem to want to impress their beliefs on others, there's no freedom rallies over right wing politicians, or from religious nuts.

When Oxford university showed studies on masks being effective. They noted even you wrapped a t-shirt around your face it improved your odds from not getting sick by 50%.

That's called science. Getting all bent of out shape over a strip of cloth is nuts.

 

Worst of all, why would governments risk losing billions of tax revenue on a power grab? They could just spread disinformation and do a power grab anyways if that was the goal.

Look at Putin. He's got a firm grip on power without resorting to using a virus as the blame. He just uses money.

 

 

 

[thedestroyerofworlds]

36 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Ok if the province and health authorities made mistakes, the other side did too, usually with deadly consequences.

- Vaxxing puts 5G in my system.

My reception is just the same.

- Vaxxing puts things in my blood!

 Yeah it's supposed to help reduce your symptoms to keep you out of the hospital or dying. Remember that's reduction, not 100% protection.

- My life, my choice!

Funny, people seem to want to impress their beliefs on others, there's no freedom rallies over right wing politicians, or from religious nuts.

When Oxford university showed studies on masks being effective. They noted even you wrapped a t-shirt around your face it improved your odds from not getting sick by 50%.

That's called science. Getting all bent of out shape over a strip of cloth is nuts.

 

Worst of all, why would governments risk losing billions of tax revenue on a power grab? They could just spread disinformation and do a power grab anyways if that was the goal.

Look at Putin. He's got a firm grip on power without resorting to using a virus as the blame. He just uses money.

 

 

 

Worst of all, we go a moron in charge in Alberta.   She fits right in with the morons who believe the stuff listed here.

[Canuck You]

I'm soo sick right now, My chest is so tight and I am an asthmatic on top of that, This really sucks. I'm not sure how it exactly works but did 3 co tests and all negative. I don't wish this on anyone. Take care guys.

[RUPERTKBD]

Nice to see that there are sometimes consequences for people in positions of authority spreading disinformation about Covid....

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/vaccine-doubting-doctor-ordered-to-pay-1-million-in-legal-costs-after-her-libel-suit-quashed/ar-AA13Gx1s?cvid=af19db88ddc443bca7125106af637f01

 

 

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When a host of doctors, academics and journalists criticized her COVID vaccine-doubting, anti-lockdown views, Dr. Kulvinder Kaur Gill struck back, filing a $12-million libel suit against them.

 

Amongst other charges, she accused her detractors of being a “pack of hyenas” bent on destroying her reputation. It has proven to be a very expensive counter-attack.

A judge this week ordered the pediatrician in Brampton, west of Toronto, to pay the defendants as much as $1.1 million in legal costs after her lawsuit was struck down earlier this year as a potential curb on important public debate.

 

Part of the costs were assigned to a fellow plaintiff, Dr. Ashvinder Kaur Lambda, who sued only two of the 23 defendants, but Gill is on the hook for the bulk of the hefty award.

 

Justice Elizabeth Stewart said the cost sum was appropriate, noting that the damages sought by the two physicians in their suit was “a considerable sum by any calculation and of understandably great concern” to the people they sued.

 

“Although the individual … plaintiffs are not substantial corporations or institutions, they are educated persons who were represented by counsel throughout,” she added.

Jeff Saikaley, Gill’s lawyer, said neither he nor his client would comment as she is appealing both this week’s decision on costs, and the ruling in February that dismissed the lawsuit.

Meanwhile, the doctor faces more legal trouble at Ontario’s College of Physicians and Surgeons. After cautioning Gill last year over some of her COVID statements, the regulator ordered her earlier this month to appear on similar charges before a discipline tribunal , a sort of trial where a guilty verdict could lead to revocation of her license.

Dr. Terry Polevoy, a retired Waterloo, Ont., family physician and crusader against bogus health-care products and practices, said Wednesday he welcomed the cost ruling.

Unlike some of the defendants, Polevoy had to pay his lawyer out of pocket because he’s no longer practicing, with bills already coming to over $51,000.

“It’s a lot of stress, a lot of pent-up frustration at the legal system,” he said.

Another person familiar with the file, who asked not to be named because it’s still before the courts, said it was not so much one suit as 23 different ones rolled into a single case, with separate allegations against each defendant.

“You have to mount a very serious defense,” said the person. “While it’s an unprecedented cost award, it’s also an unprecedented lawsuit.”

The Canadian Medical Protective Association — which covers most professionally related legal costs for doctors — had initially refused to underwrite the expense of defending the suit for any of the physicians, but relented after an appeal to its board, said the source.

Gill filed her lawsuit in December 2020, accusing doctors, a former president of the Ontario Medical Association, university professors, media outlets and newspaper journalists of libeling her. Most of the remarks she singled out were comments on Twitter responding to her rejection of widely accepted science around COVID-19.

Among other things, Gill said a vaccine was not needed against the virus, that most people had natural immunity to COVID and there was no scientific rationale for keeping people at home to short-circuit its spread.

But the defendants filed an anti-SLAPP motion, a legal maneuver designed to put a stop early on to lawsuits that curb discussion in the public interest.

Justice Stewart ruled in their favor , saying that if the suit went ahead “its chilling effects would have an impact well beyond the parties to this case,” deterring experts and the media from calling out potential misinformation. “Dr. Gill herself is the most obvious cause of damage to her reputation,” the judge added.

In her decision this week, she rejected the plaintiffs’ arguments that the costs award was excessive because the various lawyers essentially duplicated each other’s work. Every person named in the suit had to argue the case based on separate facts, and the issues were of “great importance” to them, said the judge.

Gill was originally represented by Rocco Galati, the firebrand Toronto lawyer who has called public-health measures to combat the virus a “vicious fraud” and protective face coverings “slave-trade masks.”

But against the wishes of clients Gill and Lamda, an Ontario judge allowed him to withdraw from the case in May, saying “he had a lengthy hospitalization and was in a coma, from which he is still recovering,” a court order posted by the CanuckLaw.ca blog indicates. In the meantime, Galati had made “superficial” submissions to the judge on the legal-costs issue without the consent of his clients, Saikaley said in a July letter to Stewart.

As the larger case rolls on, Gill is also suing University of Ottawa health law professor Amir Attaran for $7 million over Tweets in which he called her an idiot, among other comments.

Attaran said Wednesday he has also filed a SLAPP motion, but has been holding off to see if the doctor would settle the case. He said he wants her to apologize for suing and admit she was wrong about COVID, but so far Gill has declined to do so.

“She now has 1.1 million reasons to reconsider her position,” said Attaran. “We are prepared to go to court.”

 

 

[johngould21]

A very good friend of mine, whose sister was on a Hawaiian cruise contracted Covid on board. She is now in a coma in the Kona hospital, her family have joined her. She has had many bouts with cancer as well.

[mdehaan]

1 hour ago, johngould21 said:

A very good friend of mine, whose sister was on a Hawaiian cruise contracted Covid on board. She is now in a coma in the Kona hospital, her family have joined her. She has had many bouts with cancer as well.

How many boosters has she had?

[King Heffy]

1 hour ago, johngould21 said:

A very good friend of mine, whose sister was on a Hawaiian cruise contracted Covid on board. She is now in a coma in the Kona hospital, her family have joined her. She has had many bouts with cancer as well.

Wishing the family well and her a full recovery.

[Warhippy]

2 hours ago, mdehaan said:

How many boosters has she had?

why is it you only key in to or factor in that?

 

A good human being would just wish them well and hope they got better.

 

But then you...ya know

[mdehaan]

5 hours ago, johngould21 said:

A very good friend of mine, whose sister was on a Hawaiian cruise contracted Covid on board. She is now in a coma in the Kona hospital, her family have joined her. She has had many bouts with cancer as well.

I hope she makes a full recovery. Thinking of the family during an obviously tough time.

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

51 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Given that the case count is severely understated due to a lack of testing, they should just take that figure out of their weekly report altogether, since there's no accuracy in that, even from a magnitude or pervasiveness perspective.  However, the hospitaliztions and death count should continue being reported, because at least there's some degree of accuracy to those.

 

Just my shiny nickel, since 2 cents gets rounded down to zero.  

 

Still pretty shitty that there's an average of 2-3 dozen deaths per week this past month as a result of this pandemic.  I suspect that figure might trend upwards over the course of this winter now that we're moving activities indoors and because people don't seem to appreciate the importance of proper masking and distancing.

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

Given that the case count is severely understated due to a lack of testing, they should just take that figure out of their weekly report altogether, since there's no accuracy in that, even from a magnitude or pervasiveness perspective.  However, the hospitaliztions and death count should continue being reported, because at least there's some degree of accuracy to those.

 

Just my shiny nickel, since 2 cents gets rounded down to zero.  

 

Still pretty shitty that there's an average of 2-3 dozen deaths per week this past month as a result of this pandemic.  I suspect that figure might trend upwards over the course of this winter now that we're moving activities indoors and because people don't seem to appreciate the importance of proper masking and distancing.

Estimates and numbers indicate it's overwhelmingly those who are either unvaccinated or immunocompromised making up the majority of fatalities.

 

Shocking