Coronavirus outbreak

[JM_]

12 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

We are scheduled for #4 shot tomorrow. What is the latest between Pfizer and Moderna shots. I have been told to wait for Pfizer?  

who's telling you to wait? 

 

The Moderna bivalent vaccine may induce a greater immune response compared to the Pfizer bivalent vaccine.

https://immunizebc.ca/ask-us/questions/what-vaccine-will-i-be-offered-my-fall-booster

 

[Junkyard Dog]

I wonder what changes commence and how it will effect my job. In the FCCL LNG site in Kitimat they just recently allowed in unvaccinated to come back to work. 
 

They’re gonna add more than 500 people in January. 
 

 

[JM_]

16 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

I wonder what changes commence and how it will effect my job. In the FCCL LNG site in Kitimat they just recently allowed in unvaccinated to come back to work. 
 

They’re gonna add more than 500 people in January. 
 

 

pretty sure you can guess, JD. If you can stay healthy, you can probably get as much overtime as you want.

 

[bishopshodan]

It's official.

Influenza epidemic.

[Junkyard Dog]

1 hour ago, JM_ said:

pretty sure you can guess, JD. If you can stay healthy, you can probably get as much overtime as you want.

 

I’ll be in trade school starting in January for 6 months so no OT for me. Will be going to BCIT. 
 

I get to miss the insane rainy season in Kitimat so that’s nice. 

 

Could mean I have a job when I get back, I probably do either way.  I think it will mean that they’ll give everybody a raise. They did back in June with inflation. 
 

 

[JM_]

23 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

I’ll be in trade school starting in January for 6 months so no OT for me. Will be going to BCIT. 
 

I get to miss the insane rainy season in Kitimat so that’s nice. 

 

Could mean I have a job when I get back, I probably do either way.  I think it will mean that they’ll give everybody a raise. They did back in June with inflation. 
 

 

nice, good for you. BCIT is a great option. 

[ronthecivil]

On 11/14/2022 at 12:45 PM, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

So in other words, you're pro-transmission, since you can't be bothered to mask up to help reduce the risk (and degree) of transmission, and would rather abuse and mock such measures instead.

 

Good job, Ron.  Such a great example of civic responsibility and good citizenship.

LOL I am not pro transmission. I just know you can't beat nature. You can go an extreme Donald Trump version, have a daily shot of bleach or the horse drug, and boom, everyone gets COVID.

 

You can go full on Xi Xi Ping, and not only have mask mandates, but full on shutter society (pray your at home when this happens) crippling not even your own economy, but full on slowing down the world economy. And COVID was still not stopped!

 

So as Ms. Musgrave would say, your damned if you do, and your damned if you don't, so you might as well do whatever you want!

[ronthecivil]

On 11/14/2022 at 10:23 PM, Warhippy said:

that's ah uh...that's a weird gif there but k

 

Masks?  Oh no.  I might be moderately inconvenienced.  

 

After the cold my kid just brought home two weeks ago and how messed up my wife and.I still are from it; I'll wear the mask.  Especially after standing in line with the idiots coughing and sneezing on everything behind me in it

I mean, if I have cold or flu symptoms ( I do right now as it turns out, and just COVID tested myself, but negative, so who knows I got both shots) then I stay home. If I really need to get something, I wear a mask then, and get in an out of there, because I feel bad going out sick. Which as it turns out, matches the current recommendations.

 

My spidy sense feels like staying in isolation and masking up slowed the spread of the regular cold and flu seasons. And nature being nature, what doesn't kill it, just makes it stronger. So now that it CAN spread, it's doing so with a vengeance. And not having any antibodies in our systems from the last few years of yearly illness, it's hitting people extra hard.

[Warhippy]

32 minutes ago, ronthecivil said:

I mean, if I have cold or flu symptoms ( I do right now as it turns out, and just COVID tested myself, but negative, so who knows I got both shots) then I stay home. If I really need to get something, I wear a mask then, and get in an out of there, because I feel bad going out sick. Which as it turns out, matches the current recommendations.

 

My spidy sense feels like staying in isolation and masking up slowed the spread of the regular cold and flu seasons. And nature being nature, what doesn't kill it, just makes it stronger. So now that it CAN spread, it's doing so with a vengeance. And not having any antibodies in our systems from the last few years of yearly illness, it's hitting people extra hard.

Umm....from my understanding it is just the added strain on a collapsing system after 2 years of endless  overworking and job attrition.

 

There is a huge amount of people claiming this is due to vaccines or somehow that kids didn't get exposed for two years so this must mean that it's the governments fault and masks and shots were bad and the reason this is so bad.

 

When the reality is, after 2+ years.  The system is at or near collapse.  Job attrition was and has never been higher in the health care fields due to this.  Add in a very bad flu season in a climate in which 30% of the population feels shots, vaccines or masks are an infringement on their freedoms and voila.

 

I hated wearing a mask but we got sick, I couldn't stay home and I wore my mask because I wanted to protect other people.  But this wave of sickness we're seeing now is just one more straw on the camels back

[stawns]

37 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Umm....from my understanding it is just the added strain on a collapsing system after 2 years of endless  overworking and job attrition.

 

There is a huge amount of people claiming this is due to vaccines or somehow that kids didn't get exposed for two years so this must mean that it's the governments fault and masks and shots were bad and the reason this is so bad.

 

When the reality is, after 2+ years.  The system is at or near collapse.  Job attrition was and has never been higher in the health care fields due to this.  Add in a very bad flu season in a climate in which 30% of the population feels shots, vaccines or masks are an infringement on their freedoms and voila.

 

I hated wearing a mask but we got sick, I couldn't stay home and I wore my mask because I wanted to protect other people.  But this wave of sickness we're seeing now is just one more straw on the camels back

imo, a good chunk of it is covid and people just aren't testing enough

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[Boudrias]

We had our 4th Covid shot on Wednesday (Pfizer) and other than a tad more sleep had no ill effects. Flu shot at the same time, opposite arm. 

 

What is a head scratcher to me is that vaccine records are not posted to our Health Portals. Seems like Service BC is trying to create their own info bank 

which ignores citizen convenience and possible safety? 

[Gurn]

Got my first ever flu shot, yesterday.

No ill effects, but for a little bit of a sore arm. 

[King Heffy]

I've had a very mild cold for about 2 weeks now.  Tested negative, but I'm not convinced it wasn't covid.  Thankfully, I got my second booster a month before onset.

[4petesake]

2 hours ago, Boudrias said:

We had our 4th Covid shot on Wednesday (Pfizer) and other than a tad more sleep had no ill effects. Flu shot at the same time, opposite arm. 

 

What is a head scratcher to me is that vaccine records are not posted to our Health Portals. Seems like Service BC is trying to create their own info bank 

which ignores citizen convenience and possible safety? 

That’s odd Bouds, maybe check again in a day or two. Our vax records are on the portal.

[JM_]

4 hours ago, Boudrias said:

We had our 4th Covid shot on Wednesday (Pfizer) and other than a tad more sleep had no ill effects. Flu shot at the same time, opposite arm. 

 

What is a head scratcher to me is that vaccine records are not posted to our Health Portals. Seems like Service BC is trying to create their own info bank 

which ignores citizen convenience and possible safety? 

could just be your local pharmacist has been backed up and didn't enter it yet?  

[Boudrias]

54 minutes ago, JM_ said:

could just be your local pharmacist has been backed up and didn't enter it yet?  

I checked with Service BC. Then I checked my Portal and none of my shots are there. How about you? 

[JM_]

4 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

I checked with Service BC. Then I checked my Portal and none of my shots are there. How about you? 

yep it came through in about a day for me. I'd check with the pharmacy, maybe they haven't entered it yet? 

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

There's a pretty clear and well-explained article at The Conversation that outlines why mask mandates should return.  Although the researchers who published the article are in Ontario, the logic applies globally.  Due to the way they format their articles, I'm not able to copy/paste it here in its entirety without extensive re-formatting, but here's the URL:

https://theconversation.com/with-covid-flu-and-rsv-circulating-its-time-to-follow-the-evidence-return-to-mask-mandates-194726

 

Some excerpts:

 

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Why aren’t people wearing masks? Some remember the inconsistency of the advice early in the pandemic. Masks may be conflated with closures and capacity restrictions and the resulting hardships. Whatever the reason — stigma, peer pressure or concern about virtue signalling — countries outside Asia do not have a mask-wearing culture.

 

Under these circumstances, it will likely take more than strong recommendations to achieve the high uptake of mask use that will be most effective in reducing transmission of respiratory viruses. Masks protect individuals, imperfectly. Mask mandates (or high voluntary use of masks) protect populations.

Unfortunately, as a microcosm of the greater society around us, some posters here have indicated their intention to mock and refuse to abide by mask mandates even if they were to be implemented.  The biggest problem with airborne infectious diseases like these are that by the time you're showing symptoms, you've likely already entered the realm of being infectious yourself - not to mention that one can be a silent spreader if they do not present symptoms (or downplay mild symptoms).  So just to re-iterate the article's point, "Masks protect individuals, imperfectly.  Mask mandates (or high voluntary use of masks) protect populations."  Though good luck expecting to get enough people to "volunarily" use masks whether or not they are presenting symptoms.

 

The next excerpt covers why mask mandates should be implemented.

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In North America, the strategy of using masks according to personal judgment has predictably failed, the strategy of strongly recommending masks is unproven, and it’s too late to experiment. Mask mandates, however, are backed by strong evidence of effectiveness in both Canada and the United States.

 

Mask mandates are less damaging to a recovering economy than physical distancing and capacity limits, and less damaging to learning than a return to remote schooling.

The article then follows with a specific note about how schools in particular should have mask mandates, referring to a study in Massachusetts that was previously shared in this thread.

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Schools and universities represent a particularly important opportunity. COVID spreads between children in schools to infect the whole population; this is mitigated by mask wearing. After Massachusetts lifted its mask mandate, school boards did so at different times, creating a natural experiment: transmission was higher among students and staff where mandates were lifted compared with where they were still in place.

And it also pokes holes at the hypothesis that somehow learning and social skills are adversely impacted by mask wearing:

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There is no convincing evidence to date that masks reduce social or language skills. Decreasing spread in schools would increase learning by reducing student and teacher sick days and preserving in-person instruction. Keeping children in schools keeps parents at work.

The first part of the article (for those so inclined) also explains the different types of masks and their estimated effectiveness, much of which is dependent on proper usage and fitment.  I won't bother sharing those excerpts here because it's quite technical stuff and only a geek like me would find it fascinating.  

 

 

Edited November 20, 2022 by 6of1_halfdozenofother

[The Arrogant Worms]

And then this happened.....

 

Self-isolation 'no longer required' for people with COVID-19, BCCDC says

 

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/self-isolation-no-longer-required-for-people-with-covid-19-bccdc-says-1.6160687