Down by the River Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) It's early on, but the death rate in the Netherlands is mirroring the death rate in China at ~4%. https://www.rivm.nl/nieuws/actuele-informatie-over-coronavirus Edited March 22, 2020 by Down by the River Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: I agree with the general sentiment here, Tre. I think the issue with these three girls was the flippant manner they were displaying. If it was more like "Oh yeah, we should keep a little more distance", or something like that, people would probably be a bit more sympathetic. Exactly.....if they just didn't know, fine. They do know, but they're defiant and acting on their own wants/needs. Not that of "society" and the general public. So true...if the reaction was "woops, yes, sorry" instead of "it looks weird to stand apart" it would be more tolerable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 I should have taken a picture. Yesterday I was grocery shopping, and there were a few boxes of pasta on the shelves. Spaghetti was on sale, 2 for $3 or something like that. And above it was a big sign, saying limit of one package per household. Now there's a puzzle. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said: Because they have the power to enforce it. "Gave you a chance, now it's mandatory not a request" So, just how shall it be enforced? Tickets, fines jail time? All which bring the police into close personal contact with people- kind of what we want to avoid isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Just now, Kragar said: I should have taken a picture. Yesterday I was grocery shopping, and there were a few boxes of pasta on the shelves. Spaghetti was on sale, 2 for $3 or something like that. And above it was a big sign, saying limit of one package per household. Now there's a puzzle. too funny i encountered the same thing 3 frozen pizzas for $10 when i got to the till i was told i could only buy 1 i got the discount but they had to restock the other 2 the signage is confusing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Just now, Kragar said: I should have taken a picture. Yesterday I was grocery shopping, and there were a few boxes of pasta on the shelves. Spaghetti was on sale, 2 for $3 or something like that. And above it was a big sign, saying limit of one package per household. Now there's a puzzle. "Four for $3.00". Or 75 cents each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) Senator Rand Paul Tests Positive For COVID-19: Live Updates Global case total accelerates toward 350k... German Chancellor Merkel In Quarantine After Contact With Infected Doctor: Italy Bans All Movement Inside The Country Europe is clamping down on any person-to-person contract in what can only be described as an unprecedented lockdown. Edited March 22, 2020 by nuckin_futz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyM Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, gurn said: If the government tells people to stay away from people, but people still mingle with people; why is that the governments fault? It's both the fault of government and the people who continue to gather. One of the issues I have is that the government keeps closing off access to certain non-essential services, but not others. Parks are closed but they leave beaches open. People who aren't taking the quarantine seriously go to the beach because "the government still allows it" and the numbers pile up. Then the government goes on to ask people not to gather at beaches but refuse to close them off. Shut it all (non-essential) down. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, gurn said: So, just how shall it be enforced? Tickets, fines jail time? All which bring the police into close personal contact with people- kind of what we want to avoid isn't it? More of a shutdown in effect...we're inching our way there when we really need a giant leap. Bandaids on a gashing wound that needs surgery. We've been given opportunity NOT to use extreme measures but those who ignore them are the bad apples ruining this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Just now, gurn said: So, just how shall it be enforced? Tickets, fines jail time? All which bring the police into close personal contact with people- kind of what we want to avoid isn't it? we need to remind others if we all do it it will be effective the majority of people will comply either because they forgot or they feel ashamed i have yet to meet one person who became confrontational do it with humour it actually works 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckster19 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, EmilyM said: It's both the fault of government and the people who continue to gather. One of the issues I have is that the government keeps closing off access to certain non-essential services, but not others. Parks are closed but they leave beaches open. People who aren't taking the quarantine seriously go to the beach because "the government still allows it" and the numbers pile up. Then the government goes on to ask people not to gather at beaches but refuse to close them off. Shut it all (non-essential) down. It's weird, it's almost like the Streisand effect, "beach is still open, even though we never go there, lets go there!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, coastal.view said: i have yet to meet one person who became confrontational I haven't met one confrontational person, but then I only take solo walks, and other than that stay the hell home. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, coastal.view said: we need to remind others if we all do it it will be effective the majority of people will comply either because they forgot or they feel ashamed i have yet to meet one person who became confrontational do it with humour it actually works I have met confrontational people. With an attitude of "don't tell me what to do". So your experience is only that. Anyhow...it's the Government's job to address this, not mine. I am doing 100% what I can but don't ask me not to be upset when I see others who aren't. Because their deal could become mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mackcanuck Posted March 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2020 It is better to be 6 feet apart than 6 feet under! Stay home, If you do go out, practice social distance, stay clean, be responsible! 1 1 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -DLC- Posted March 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, gurn said: I haven't met one confrontational person, but then I only take solo walks, and other than that stay the hell home. I HAVE to go out to check on a Dad who is pretty much bed ridden. I'm not out there for pleasure...it's necessity. So consider that some are being put in the line of fire for others and "asking them nicely" has already been done (by our Government). Patience isn't something we have the luxury of as this virus hits hard and can explode. Urgency is needed. Just saw something that is concise and to the point: The longer you don't comply with social distancing, the longer we're going to have to do it. Done - going to do something constructive. All be safe and do your part....we're all in this together. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, debluvscanucks said: I have met confrontational people. With an attitude of "don't tell me what to do". So your experience is only that. Anyhow...it's the Government's job to address this, not mine. I am doing 100% what I can but don't ask me not to be upset when I see others who aren't. Because their deal could become mine. i don't believe it is in a democracy we all have responsibility that is what comes with freedom if we turn all responsibility over to the state then we also give up all power and potentially freedom but that is just my view i guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Here's a bit of a cautionary tale regarding the misinformation that's out there: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/nigeria-has-chloroquine-poisonings-after-trump-praised-drug/ar-BB11wxMQ?li=AAggNb9 Quote Nigeria reported two cases of chloroquine poisoning after U.S. President Donald Trump praised the anti-malaria drug as a treatment for the novel coronavirus. Health officials are warning Nigerians against self-medicating after demand for the drug surged in Lagos, a city that’s home to 20 million people. Two people were hospitalized in Lagos for chloroquine overdoses, Oreoluwa Finnih, senior health assistant to the governor of Lagos, said in an interview. “Please don’t panic,” she said via text message. “Chloroquine is still in a testing phase in combination with other medication and not yet verified as a preventive treatment or curative option.” Now, I'm usually all for calling out Trump for the stupid things he says, but in this case, people should realize that he's only doing what he's always done: seizing on any bit of information that has possible positive effects for him personally. Unfortunately this story out of Nigeria echoes what Jimmy was saying yesterday: Although it's promising, it's nothing....at least at this point. Don't jump the gun folks. The consequences could be severe. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, Down by the River said: It's early on, but the death rate in the Netherlands is mirroring the death rate in China at ~4%. https://www.rivm.nl/nieuws/actuele-informatie-over-coronavirus These stats don’t mean a whole lot right now and only add more fear to the situation. Since way more people have the virus than have been tested the “death rate” will not be close to accurate. Also many of these deaths will have come from cases that were contracted before certain measures were put in place so one would think the curve will start to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Just now, DeNiro said: These stats don’t mean a whole lot right now and only add more fear to the situation. Since way more people have the virus than have been tested the “death rate” will not be close to accurate. Also many of these deaths will have come from cases that were contracted before certain measures were put in place so one would think the curve will start to change. the netherlands was one of the countries slow to respond their stats will reflect that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: my dad grew up in a similar way in SK, literally dirt poor and says a lot of the same things. But he remembers a lot of it as a happy time too, with the closeness and also the feeling of contributing to the family. These folks still partying, etc. won't feel bad tho, they will just blame the government for letting them do it. There won't be a sense of personal responsibility, not now and not if they bring tragedy to their families. Some people are just wired for dumb. My father in law farmed with horses until 1946. My grandmother crossed the USA by wagon train in 1866. We are all capable of doing more than we think. Are we as tough and experienced as are forebears? We might find out. Back in those days most of the people lived directly from the farm. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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