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PistolPete13 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 hour ago, coastal.view said: i think the idea of testing is a bit misunderstood it is not necessary that everyone be tested the testing happens relating to tracing activities and hospital admissions (so they are certain what they will be treating) the outcome for having symptoms is always the same if you are unwell and have any symptoms stay home for 14 days this does not change with testing (or testing results) it's not really presently an issue of test shortages though being prudent on how tests are used is wise as more could be required later there is a cost for each test, there is an additional cost to process each test to get results so there are financial reasons as well to target testing there is also a health risk for administering each test a health official does the testing it almost always results in a cough during testing that creates a health risk to that person and also requires a change of protective equipment for each test so there is health risks and health equipment issues as well not trying to be picky here but testing is not really fully understood this issue has been explained many times by dr. henry in her updates but it warrants repeating Since I haven’t been hanging on Dr Henry’s every word, I wasn’t aware that the Ministry of Health wasn’t looking into United Health Group’s self-administered Covid 19 test. Potentially this could reduce the risk to health care workers cited by you above, as well as get more people tested. But that would cost money. I was hopeful because The Ministry is trialing anti malarial drug Hydroxychloroquine to treat Covid patients in care homes in B.C. This drug was touted to be a possible cure by certain political figures south of the border, however this medication has not been approved in the US as evidence of its effectiveness is anecdotal. South Korea has tested way more people per capita than anyone else. Do they misunderstand the issue of testing too? I appreciate everything that Dr Henry is doing and I think that she is very learned. But there are other options out that that are equally valid. I’m not a medical expert and most posters here are just regular people just like me. I’ve been Watching the various sources of news such as CNN, Fox, CTV, CBC, Global and BBC. Dr Henry is not the expert used by all of these news sources. Makes it hard to take everything that she says as gospel. I admire your faith in Dr Henry, but I think that she’s only human, so I’ll carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryten Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 2 hours ago, redhdlois said: I was thinking more along the lines of the sanitary practices within the care facilities......I highly doubt there is much hand washing and/or gloves being worn and discarded when going from patient to patient. I wish someone would ask Dr.Henry during their daily reports and Q&A how many of BC’s cases are in long term care facilities. I am sure the numbers are staggering. When/if my day comes, I will not consent to going into one of these places....you can just take me out back and shoot me first. If you read the story I linked in my post, the government actually is doing it’s job as far as auditing care homes. Where it fails is allowing foreign private corporations and even hedge funds to own and poorly operate essential services like pharmacies and care homes. If you are interested in seeing which homes are experiencing flu outbreaks (although not necessarily Covid, could be an aggressive/passive strain of flu) this is a site used by some health professionals to track outbreaks and their relative severity: https://www.interiorhealth.ca/YourEnvironment/CommunicableDiseaseControl/Outbreaks/Pages/default.aspx The final call on treatment of epidemics is always up to the experts in our Health Authority, and they should be taken seriously. As for you possibly living in one of these places; I hate to burst your bubble but if you get old enough, your mental capacity diminishes to the point you won’t even understand which country you’re in, let alone which building. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 42 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: Weird.... I just got a Fedex package from Russia. Food! Looks like some kind of sandwich. There's some writing in Cyrillic on the wrapper "Ivan's finest polonium meat sandwiches". mmmmm...smells real good but I ate dinner already! I think I'll give it to my buddy Alf! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Tortorella's Rant said: So, when can we expect the social distancing thing to come to an end around here? I assume it would have to be country wide before we can resume our lives. US just extended to April 30th. At least 3 more weeks before any real movement by the gov't would be my bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickly Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Weird.... I just got a Fedex package from Russia. Food! Looks like some kind of sandwich. There's some writing in Cyrillic on the wrapper "Ivan's finest polonium meat sandwiches". mmmmm...smells real good but I ate dinner already! I think I'll give it to my buddy Alf! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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canuck2288 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 2 hours ago, DeNiro said: Your political bias is showing. Wonder what Scheer would be doing? Following the Donald’s playbook? Political bias? are you serious? its called common sense 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, canuck2288 said: Political bias? are you serious? its called common sense Riiight.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck2288 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 If it was not for strong provincial leaders in this country, it would be unmitigated disaster ... not that things are peachy the provinces have been 10 steps ahead of the feds .. just like it had to be in the US Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck2288 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Just now, DeNiro said: Riiight.... Socialist above talk about political bias coming through loud and clear 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, AlwaysACanuckFan said: Good. The Save-On near me ran out of wipes by the door and took a week to replenish them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Good. The Save-On near me ran out of wipes by the door and took a week to replenish them. Thats to bad, SuperStore and FreshCo had dedicated guys cleaning everythinng before people were touching carts, etc. where I am. Gotta say good on them from what I saw. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Good. The Save-On near me ran out of wipes by the door and took a week to replenish them. Save On near my place have security outside to enforce the 2 meter thing and letting few people in at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 21 minutes ago, AlwaysACanuckFan said: just doing this now - what the? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, PistolPete13 said: Since I haven’t been hanging on Dr Henry’s every word, I wasn’t aware that the Ministry of Health wasn’t looking into United Health Group’s self-administered Covid 19 test. Potentially this could reduce the risk to health care workers cited by you above, as well as get more people tested. But that would cost money. I was hopeful because The Ministry is trialing anti malarial drug Hydroxychloroquine to treat Covid patients in care homes in B.C. This drug was touted to be a possible cure by certain political figures south of the border, however this medication has not been approved in the US as evidence of its effectiveness is anecdotal. South Korea has tested way more people per capita than anyone else. Do they misunderstand the issue of testing too? I appreciate everything that Dr Henry is doing and I think that she is very learned. But there are other options out that that are equally valid. I’m not a medical expert and most posters here are just regular people just like me. I’ve been Watching the various sources of news such as CNN, Fox, CTV, CBC, Global and BBC. Dr Henry is not the expert used by all of these news sources. Makes it hard to take everything that she says as gospel. I admire your faith in Dr Henry, but I think that she’s only human, so I’ll carry on. let's not over simplify things just because you prefer some aura of mistrust about our local authorities people in each region want to know what is going on locally tv stations report locally and have a local audience the local health authority would be the go to person to report on what is going on locally that person would have the greatest detailed knowledge of the local situation that is why dr henry is relied on in bc you are correct in inferring that governor cuomo and the new york media does not rely on her reports (or all sorts of media outlets in the usa) that is all too obvious to me i think it is silly for you to even bother to point this out not sure why you think medical authorities who speak more generally on the covid19 issue would be an authority on what is going on in bc Edited March 30, 2020 by coastal.view 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nuckin_futz Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Estimates of the real death toll in China from the coronavirus - UK say multiply by up to 40 Mon 30 Mar 2020 02:40:14 GMT UK press report PM Johnson has been advised the death toll in China has been understated by a factor of 15 to 40 times' A senior Cabinet Minister : 'We can't stand by and allow the Chinese state's desire for secrecy to ruin the world's economy and then come back like nothing has happened." A senior Minister: 'We have always known their wildlife markets are a recipe for a pandemic. China needs to close these down immediately. If they don't, they will rightly become a pariah state.' Link here for more Separately, RFA: Wuhan residents said they were growing increasingly skeptical that the figure of some 2,500 deaths in the city to date was accurate Since the start of the week, seven large funeral homes in Wuhan have been handing out the cremated remains of around 500 people to their families every day, suggesting that far more people died than ever made the official statistics. news website Caixin.com reported that 5,000 urns had been delivered by a supplier to the Hankou Funeral Home in one day alone -- double the official number of deaths. ************** None of this should be surprising. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: Estimates of the real death toll in China from the coronavirus - UK say multiply by up to 40 Mon 30 Mar 2020 02:40:14 GMT UK press report PM Johnson has been advised the death toll in China has been understated by a factor of 15 to 40 times' A senior Cabinet Minister : 'We can't stand by and allow the Chinese state's desire for secrecy to ruin the world's economy and then come back like nothing has happened." A senior Minister: 'We have always known their wildlife markets are a recipe for a pandemic. China needs to close these down immediately. If they don't, they will rightly become a pariah state.' Link here for more Separately, RFA: Wuhan residents said they were growing increasingly skeptical that the figure of some 2,500 deaths in the city to date was accurate Since the start of the week, seven large funeral homes in Wuhan have been handing out the cremated remains of around 500 people to their families every day, suggesting that far more people died than ever made the official statistics. news website Caixin.com reported that 5,000 urns had been delivered by a supplier to the Hankou Funeral Home in one day alone -- double the official number of deaths. ************** None of this should be surprising. well i agree about being suspicious just wish the messaging came from someone more reliable then boris (herd immunity approach) johnson he is in trouble on this issue and is in serious deflection mode i'm going to hold off assessing the china true numbers situation until a true expert speaks to that with solid arguments (better evidence) to support that but i accept that more then likely the numbers offered by china so far under reports the true situation there i find it curious too when looking at the uk numbers that one could easily reasonably suggest that the uk numbers are inaccurate in terms of cases in that country by a multiplier of at least 4 (compare their death rate to their cases rate - it suggests the infection is more widespread in the uk then what they have reported) and if that multiplier were added (or if testing caught up a bit more with the true situation in the uk) the uk would be passing china in total cases so i can kinda of see why boris is sooo worried about the china reporting issues Edited March 30, 2020 by coastal.view 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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