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5 hours ago, samurai said:

 

 

He sounds mostly against lockdown but we're not locked down so not sure it's applicable here.

 

Here's what bothered me before I shut him off about 8 minutes in. 

 

"We decided early (in January) measures we should take should be evidence based.  Other countries measures have very few..a shred of evidence. "  How/where is there evidence (yet) on this NOVEL coronavirus?  I believe the world's in the "figuring it out" stage in that?

 

He then lists (because apparently he's GOT it figured out?)  "Border closures, school closures, SOCIAL DISTANCING as examples but says "most of these things are not proven effective???  In a list of 3, why not just be specific then and only include the....one?  two?  that you're referring to?  Out of the whopping list of 3, you leave us guessing?

 

But no...he then clarifies that social distancing IS being practiced in Sweden (surprise!!  I guess that's not one of the "most" he referred to in his list of 3)...they're just not enforcing it.  

 

Well that makes it a wish and a hope doesn't it?   If it's effective, isn't it important to have everyone on board to get the best results then?  Go at it rather than dabble?

 

They're also limiting groups to under 50 and there are no visitors allowed in care homes because herd immunity is a bi product and not the goal...but will be achieved through protecting the old.

 

But not all old people are in care homes?  I get that clusters happen there...but what about the bingo hall?  The gatherings that the older population will still have? 

 

Sounds like his ideas are hit and miss & really focused on protecting against enforcement.  Not sure that we'll get compliance that will prove that result as quickly as effectively as if people aren't facing some sort of consequences if they're just blatantly defying guidelines.  I don't agree with fining people without asking a few questions and establishing that as the case.  Because we saw a parade of those fools and I definitely feel that enforcement (vs the police escort they got) would be appropriate.

 

Look...I don't like police or other interference in our daily lives but the bad apples pose a risk so you have to somehow target them?  I don't think it should be a broad, sweeping enforcement that is without good reason behind it.  But if places can enforce "no shirt, no service" can't our park and other community places have some rules too?  Temporary ones, for. the protection of everyone.  Wish we didn't need them but, clearly, we do.

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6 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

He sounds mostly against lockdown but we're not locked down so not sure it's applicable here.

 

Here's what bothered me before I shut him off about 8 minutes in. 

 

"We decided early (in January) measures we should take should be evidence based.  Other countries measures have very few..a shred of evidence. "  How/where is there evidence (yet) on this NOVEL coronavirus?  I believe the world's in the "figuring it out" stage in that?

 

He then lists:  "Border closures, school closures, SOCIAL DISTANCING as examples but says "most of these things"???  In a list of 3, why not be specific?  Out of the whopping list of 3, you leave us guessing?

 

He then clarifies that social distancing IS being practiced in Sweden (surprise!!  I guess that's not one of the "most" he referred to in his list of 3)...they're just not enforcing it.  

 

Well that makes it a wish and a hope.   If it's effective, isn't it important to have everyone on board to get the best results then? 

 

They're also limiting groups to under 50 and there are no visitors allowed in care homes because her immunity is a bi product and not the goal...but will be achieved through protecting the old.

 

But not all old people are in care homes? 

 

Sounds like his ideas are hit and really designed to protect against enforcement.  Not sure that we'll get compliance that will prove that result as quickly as effectively as if people aren't facing some sort of consequences if they're just blatantly defying guidelines.  I don't agree with fining people without asking a few questions and establishing that as the case.  Because we saw a parade of those fools and I definitely feel that enforcement (vs the police escort they got) would be appropriate.

Probably difficult (if not impossible) to created one set of rules to every country without taking into account the unique difference between countries.  For example, the level of smoking in Italy is pretty high from what I gather.  It is an older population and still quite religious (attending for example, churches in large numbers....that's how the large outbreak in South Korea began I *think* [during a large religious gathering].  Plus, the land mass of Italy could probably fit within the state of Texas.  This likely had an effect on the outbreak/spread/lethality of the virus in that country.

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15 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Probably difficult (if not impossible) to created one set of rules to every country without taking into account the unique difference between countries.  For example, the level of smoking in Italy is pretty high from what I gather.  It is an older population and still quite religious (attending for example, churches in large numbers....that's how the large outbreak in South Korea began I *think* [during a large religious gathering].  Plus, the land mass of Italy could probably fit within the state of Texas.  This likely had an effect on the outbreak/spread/lethality of the virus in that country.

I agree...which is why I really hate the fact that he suggests "evidence based" when, really, this is very much a matter of winging it and, as you state, tailoring it depending on the where's and what's.  Sweden may have it figured out for Sweden...great.  But the rest of the world is deciding on how, best, to manage their cases.  I just didn't get much from this guy when he talked out of both sides of his mouth like that. 

 

I like that Canada is just doing what works for us and not trying to promote it as "the way".  It's the way for us. 

 

We're not in a lockdown...but even the guy's wishy washiness on how to social distance made it clear to me that he, too, really is winging it.  If you throw a net out with holes in it something's likely to slide through.  

 

I don't have the answers...not sure he does either.  I'm very much on board with you in that let countries decide for themselves.  Except when it comes to opening up a border that separates us and one country feels they can just decide.  JT better "hold the line" on this one for awhile.

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1 hour ago, debluvscanucks said:

He sounds mostly against lockdown but we're not locked down so not sure it's applicable here.

 

Here's what bothered me before I shut him off about 8 minutes in. 

 

"We decided early (in January) measures we should take should be evidence based. 

Our approach has the evidence we need to show it worked in BC. We did flatten the curve, most importantly the ICU numbers are very low and declining for weeks. 

 

So we know phase 1 of our approach worked well. We all know the current semi-lockdown was just the first part of this. Now we have to figure out how to widen out our social circles and that will start to emerge soon.

 

Sweden may, or may not - we don't know yet - be able to achieve herd immunity with the approach they took. But it was also very risky, no one really knew and they rolled the dice. We still have to see in a year or so if they really did get lucky. 

 

We took a more conservative approach and killed fewer people. I have zero regrets about the approach Canada and BC took and haven't thought once about wishing we'd done what Sweden did. 

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6 hours ago, samurai said:

 

 

As we all know, this is definitely a strategy.

 

What are you suggesting with this video? Are you suggesting that other countries should adopt the strategy? If so, which ones? All, or just some? 

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The situation in Sweden is complex. They actually are doing a lot of voluntary social distancing but they also have 3X the deaths per million stats than we have. They're also banking on a herd immunity approach that no one knows will be effective long term or not. Its just not possible to say yet whether their approach or our approach is 'right'. Maybe they both are for different country scenario's. We just have to wait and see but if saving lives is our main goal here Canada and particularly BC is doing very well in comparison to all G20 countries. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52395866

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21 minutes ago, Jester13 said:

As we all know, this is definitely a strategy.

 

What are you suggesting with this video? Are you suggesting that other countries should adopt the strategy? If so, which ones? All, or just some? 

Looks like Sask. is going to follow this approach (AFTER following the 'isolation' model for a period of time vs the Florida state model of just a couple weeks [AFTER 'Spring Break' events in that state]).  In any event, they can be Canada's guinea pig.

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37 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

all Trump had to do was say one single sentence about 'working across the aisle for the good of the country' and step aside and let the health experts and governors work out a plan. If he had just done that, his approval numbers would probably be at an all time high. 

 

But the clown can't help himself. Add to that seeking to harm countries like Canada and maybe start a war in Iran. And yap about idiotic "health advice". Its a gong show. 

 

And yet.... people want to blame the media for him being treated unfairly. Its amazing to see how deep that hook has been set into some people. 

Seems the society of "free thinkers" have hitched their wagon to Trump.  And once their logic hitches their wagon to somebody or something they're like a dog on a bone, hard to get off.  Anything that promotes laissez faire economics they're behind so they love Trump for his want to let corporations be the solution for everything.  To some, there is nothing more freeing and efficient than letting the market dictate what decisions are made.  They've been so used to hearing that the individual is always right.  Whenever decisions are made by consensus they will do anything to undermine those decisions because it impinges on their rights as an individual to make decisions for themselves, especially economic ones.

 

I'd be curious to see how much correlation there is between the "end the lockdown" protesters with "climate change is a hoax perpetuated by the scientific community" protesters.  Two areas of scientific thought that have been attacked voraciously because it dares defy what is best for the all mighty market.

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35 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Looks like Sask. is going to follow this approach (AFTER following the 'isolation' model for a period of time vs the Florida state model of just a couple weeks [AFTER 'Spring Break' events in that state]).  In any event, they can be Canada's guinea pig.

It'll be very interesting to see how things go there.  I wonder what they'll be doing for testing because knowing those true number of cases is that first very important alarm bell in ensuring the hospitals don't get overwhelmed.  Looking at the numbers, Sask. has 4 in the hospital and 2 in ICU.  Not sure if that is 6 total or 4, but regardless, with 57 active cases in total for the province it seems like things are at a manageable level.  As long as they do this carefully, how those numbers fluctuate there will be very informative to what we can and can't do here in BC.

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1 minute ago, Wilbur said:

It'll be very interesting to see how things go there.  I wonder what they'll be doing for testing because knowing those true number of cases is that first very important alarm bell in ensuring the hospitals don't get overwhelmed.  Looking at the numbers, Sask. has 4 in the hospital and 2 in ICU.  Not sure if that is 6 total or 4, but regardless, with 57 active cases in total for the province it seems like things are at a manageable level.  As long as they do this carefully, how those numbers fluctuate there will be very informative to what we can and can't do here in BC.

Brock Lesnar, who actually lives in that province....will just give his patented "F5" finishing move on any nasty virus that tries to sneak in the province.:lol:

 

 

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Maybe it is Darwins way of thinning out the population STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.Americans now have to actually be told not to drink or inject bleach or lysol type products,wow incredible.

These FLU-KLUX-KLAN types are not only putting their lives on the line but countless other innocent people, this is the problem ,stupid doesn't seem to get through to that problem.

America will be just stupid enough to vote TRUMP back into office and let his CRIME SPREE really be unleashed,drink bleach HA!

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45 minutes ago, DADDYROCK said:

Maybe it is Darwins way of thinning out the population STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.Americans now have to actually be told not to drink or inject bleach or lysol type products,wow incredible.

These FLU-KLUX-KLAN types are not only putting their lives on the line but countless other innocent people, this is the problem ,stupid doesn't seem to get through to that problem.

America will be just stupid enough to vote TRUMP back into office and let his CRIME SPREE really be unleashed,drink bleach HA!

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/study-links-low-intelligence-with-right-wing-beliefs/article543361/

 

These people are why some get conned into scams and conned into joining cults. 

We can easily see the kind of people who are following Trump. Trump thrives on, or should I say, "preys on" these people and are why he got where he is. People who have any common sense can easily see through his façade. 

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It looks like most of Canada is recovering except for BC (Van), AB (Calg), ONT (Tor), QUE (Mon). These major cities are not getting social distancing done properly and need some help. I would quarantine these 4 cities for two weeks, for the good of Canada.

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