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3 hours ago, Timbermen said:

Facebook, I don't know if she's partisan or just wants to hold people accountable for the deaths they will cause with their policies. I just saw this myself but she's calling out any one that wants to argue with her on National Television, yet you'lll see zero mention of her on CNN. She has more credentials than all the so called journalists that will be attacking her put together.

Prof. Dolores J. Cahill, Professor of Translational Science at UCD School of Medicine, University College Dublin

Prof. Dr Dolores Cahill has over 25 years expertise in high-throughput protein array, antibody array, proteomics technology development,automation and their biomedical applications, including in biomarker discovery, diagnostics and personalised medicine. She is Professor of Translational Science, School of Medicine and at the Conway Institute at the University College Dublin (UCD) (2005-present). With her research group & collaborators, she has achieved key breakthroughs in developing and demonstrating applications of high throughput array technology in biological, diagnostics & medical research. Prof. Cahill pioneered this research at the Max-Planck-Institute of Molecular Genetics in Berlin, Germany (1996-2003) and holds several granted international patents in this vital field. Some of her activities include:

In 1996, she co-founded Protagen AG (https://protagen.com/) in Dortmund, including with Prof. Helmut Meyer, as a spin-out of the Max-Planck-Institute to commercialise her discoveries. Protagen Protein Services (https://protagenproteinservices.com/) a 2014 spin-off company of Protagen delivers expert protein, antibody, proteomics & peptide contract services to the pharmaceutical industry & health care sectors. Both companies have advanced these technologies & applications; Protagen has screened and profiled the autoantibody repertoire of over 20,000 patients (https://protagen.com/data-and-insight...). Protagen AG and Protagen Protein Services have over 200 employees in 2018. Since 2016, Prof. Cahill is a shareholder & Advisory Board member of Atturos Ltd, Prof. Stephen Pennington’s UCD spin-out company nvolved in improved Prostate Cancer diagnosis (http://atturos.com/ and http://atturos.com/company/advisors/).

She received her Honours degree in Molecular Genetics from Trinity College Dublin (1989) and her PhD in Immunology from Dublin City University (1994). While studying in Trinity, she was awarded the Irish American Fellowship Prize (1988) to research at Prof. Pringle’s laboratory in the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, USA. During her undergraduate & PhD studies, she worked, including as Assistant Manager, in fine-dining Country Clubs in Long Island, New York (4 summers) & in Tenafly, New Jersey (4 summers). On obtaining her PhD, she obtained an EU ‘Human Capital & Mobility’ Post-doctoral Fellowship at the Technical University, Munich, Germany (1994-1995). Prof. Cahill became Group Leader of the Protein Technology Group in the Max-Planck-Institute of Molecular Genetics, Berlin (1996-2003). She obtained an Associate Professor position, in the Department of Clinical Pharmacology and Director of Proteomics Core, RCSI, Dublin (2000-2005). Since 2005 – present, she is Full Professor of Translational Science in the School of Medicine, University College Dublin and she has extensive management experience, including successfully obtaining funding from the European Commission (FP4, FP5, FP6, FP7 and Horizon 2020), Science Foundation Ireland, Enterprise Ireland, Health Research Board & successfully writing, project managing, publishing & reporting on all financial & regulatory aspects in academic & private sectors, in the companies she co-founded.

 She has over 100 peer reviewed publications, with over 5000 citations and a H-index is 31, which is in the top 10% globally for the Biomedicine discipline. Prof. Cahill is internationally recognised for her biomedical research, publications and patent record in life sciences, biotechnology, personalised healthcare, personalised medicine, diagnostics, biomarker discovery and validation, proteomics, biotechnology, high content protein and antibody arrays and their biomedical, diagnostic and clinical applications. Her publications have demonstrated utility and applications in the research, commercial & clinical sectors and include characterisation of antibodies specificity (including therapeutic antibodies), biomarker discovery, diagnostics, assay development, protein-interaction studies, proteomics, large scale/systems biology research, validating biomarker panels in diagnostic clinical trial, personalised medicine and assessing immune related adverse events. She has given over 100 Keynotes Lectures in Ireland, UK, Europe, USA, China, Japan, South Korea, Australia, South America. For example, she is invited to the ‘5th Precision Medicine and Biomarkers Leaders’ Summit’ in Munich in September 2018 & will Chair a Roundtable on Personalised Medicine and Adverse Events to discuss whether lessons can be learned from cancer immunotherapy and immune related adverse events to provide insight into understanding adverse events and personalised medicine and finding adverse event predictive biomarkers

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36 minutes ago, Me_ said:

So now Trump claims he’s been taking Hydroxychloroquine and pushes it yet again despite research not being done still.

 

The belief is he’s got it and he’s being administered the drug.

 

Soooooooooo, it kinda sounds like we should be pushing the "bleach" cure again.  Maybe he'll drink a few doses.

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7 hours ago, Trebreh said:

https://twitter.com/stclairashley/status/1243645017555533824

 

china to rescue the world. 

 

lets all say thank you china. :rolleyes:

 

 

 

 

 

All you got to ask is where are are those people who were standing against the Chinese government's methods of initially treating and gaslighting this pandemic. You know those Chinese people that disappeared shortly after questioning their own government.

 

Corrupt nation. Even has their fingers in the WHO. I feel for the the Chinese peoples, they deserve so much better.

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34 minutes ago, samurai said:

 

Ah! It’s gonna go away in no time.

 

Thank you for posting the exact source of your parroting concerns. 
 

Your nonchalance makes perfect sense now.

 

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9 minutes ago, stawns said:

Kids definitely do not learn more on devices.  Devices are a tool like anything else.  The distance learning has been a good interim filler, but I think everyone agrees it's no substitute for school

Totally agree. There's a significant social aspect of learning at school with your peers and they learn some structure to their days. Plus in 'normal times', parents actually have to leave the house to work. Though this may change for some, many will be back at their office/factory/etc. over the coming months regardless of how well they can perform their job from their job from their kitchen table or couch.

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6 hours ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

She is also the chairperson of the fringe Irish Freedom Party. A party with ideologies centred on hard euroscepticism, and right wing populism. It also has ties to white nationalism, colour me surprised, lol.

 

The leader of the party apparently tried to peddle Make Ireland Great Again hats so its no surprise that her views align with Trump on the virus. I for one am quite skeptical about Delores based on her hyper partisanship. Also because her name rhymes with a female body part.

Further to that, the IFP president, Hermann Kelly has been an advocate for the "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory, an idea based on the belief that some secret cabal is attempting to replace the white race in Europe with immigrants of Arab and African descent.

 

The good news (I suppose) is that the party leadership looks to be fairly incompetent so far, screwing up their application for party status and forcing their candidates (Including Kelly and Cahill) to runs as independents in the 2019 election. Not a single one of their candidates was elected, as they averaged around 1% of the vote.

 

 

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2 hours ago, samurai said:

 

 

"fear is more deadly than the virus" might actually apply to Trump. He's so afraid now that he admits (assuming he's not lying) that he's taking a high risk drug thats proven to be ineffective. If thats not a result of fear I don't know what it is. 

 

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1 hour ago, stawns said:

Kids definitely do not learn more on devices.  Devices are a tool like anything else.  The distance learning has been a good interim filler, but I think everyone agrees it's no substitute for school

I like @Me_ but I'm not sure if he has kids. This grade 2 thing is far worse than -45 out on a drilling rig. There is every device possible in the house and it's near impossible to get kids to focus and do schooling. I've spoken with many others saying the same thing. I'm not advocating for schools to open up early but my god teachers are underpaid. This coronavirus didn't give me a drinking problem instead being a substitute teacher has caused the drinking problem. 

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56 minutes ago, Canada Hockey Place said:

The US hit 90,000 deaths yesterday. Which totals the next 3 countries combined, UK, Italy, France.

 

Roughly 1 in 4 confirmed cases on the planet right now are just across the border from us.

 

They are nowhere near reopening by any other country's standard. Almost every other country in the world is fighting to flatten the curve. While the US is gambling it will just go away. We can only hope their gamble works out. 

 

 

Essentially they have moved to herd immunity which will cause even more deaths. It's my understanding the US hospitals are now to the point where they have to decide who to save and who to let die.

 

Look at Russias numbers and the amount of deaths. They're certainly doing something right, such a small percentage. 

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@The 5th Line hey man here is the address to the Province. 

 

Kenney also took the time to address those who suggest letting the virus run its course. If the province does nothing, he said, as many as 32,000 people in Alberta could die — 640 people per day — with 1.6 million infections.

“Our health system would collapse under the chaos of that scenario,” Kenney said.

 

https://nationalpost.com/news/triple-threat-jason-kenney-reveals-grim-covid-19-scenario-for-alberta-in-televised-speech

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Story on Sweden, and the deaths occurring in old folks homes/lodges

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/what-s-going-wrong-in-sweden-s-care-homes/ar-BB14io8l?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds

 

More than half of elderly Covid-19 victims in Sweden have died in care homes. Some healthcare workers believe an institutional reluctance to admit patients to hospital is costing lives.

Lili Perspolisi's father, Reza Sedghi, was not seen by a doctor on the day he died from coronavirus, at his care home in northern Stockholm.

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A nurse told her he'd had a morphine shot in the hours before he passed away, but he was not given oxygen, nor did staff call an ambulance. "No-one was there and he died alone," says Ms Perspolisi. "It's so unfair."

Most of the 3,698 people who have died from coronavirus in Sweden so far were over 70, despite the fact that the country said shielding risk groups was its top priority.

Sweden, with 10m inhabitants, has kept more of society open than is the case in most of Europe.

"We did not manage to protect the most vulnerable people, the most elderly, despite our best intentions," Prime Minister Stefan Löfven admitted last week.

Sweden did ban visits to care homes on 31 March. But as in many European countries, relatives, staff and union officials have shared concerns that protective clothing arrived too late, and that some staff may have gone to work at the start of the crisis despite showing symptoms of Covid-19.

Now, increasing numbers of workers are also coming forward to criticise regional healthcare authorities for protocols which they say discourage care home workers from sending residents into hospital, and prevent care home and nursing staff from administering oxygen without a doctor's approval, either as part of acute or palliative (end-of-life) services.

'We were told not to send them in'

"They told us that we shouldn't send anyone to the hospital, even if they may be 65 and have many years to live. We were told not to send them in," says Latifa Löfvenberg, a nurse who worked in several care homes around Gävle, north of Stockholm, at the beginning of the pandemic.

"Some can have a lot of years left to live with loved ones, but they don't have the chance... because they never make it to the hospital," she says. "They suffocate to death. And it's a lot of panic and it's very hard to just stand by and watch."

Ms Löfvenberg is now working on a Covid-19 ward in a major hospital in the Swedish capital, where she says the demographic of patients she's treating is further evidence that the elderly are being kept away. "We don't have many older people. It's a lot of younger people born in the 90s, 80s, 70s."

A paramedic working in Stockholm, who wanted to remain anonymous, told the BBC she had not had a single call-out to an elderly care home connected to Covid-19, despite putting in overtime during the crisis.

Mikael Fjällid, a Swedish private consultant in anaesthetics and intensive care, says he believes "a lot of lives" could have been saved if more patients had been able to access hospital treatment, or if care home workers were given increased responsibilities to administer oxygen themselves, instead of waiting for specialist Covid-19 response teams or paramedics.

"If you need care and you can benefit [from] care, for example, or oxygen for a short time, you should have it. Like any other age group in the population," he says.

"If you have more than 20% that survive without nothing, you could assume that also perhaps the same amount or the same proportion would have survived with supplemental oxygen."

National guidelines

Decisions about healthcare staffing and resources are taken at a regional level in Sweden, although national guidelines suggest that elderly patients, whether in state or privately run care homes, should not automatically be taken to hospital for treatment.

Dr Thomas Linden, Chief Medical Officer at the National Board of Health and Welfare, says workers should "professionally weigh the potential benefits" against risk factors such as catching the virus in hospital and the "costs" of transporting patients, including the likelihood of disorientation and discomfort.

Healthcare workers are asked not to discriminate on age alone, he says, although biological age may be relevant in combination with other factors.

When it comes to providing palliative care, it is not mandatory to give patients oxygen, and Dr Linden admits "the opinions on the value of oxygen is divided between specialities and regions".

Gävleborg, the region where Latifa Löfvenberg worked at the start of the pandemic, says individual patients' needs are always put first and that nurses can call doctors to make assessments about the need for hospital care.

It is against the idea of care-home workers administering oxygen during palliative care, because it requires specialist training.

Christoffer Bernsköld, a spokesperson for geriatric care for Region Stockholm, insists there are enough resources to ensure patients in the capital get acute or palliative care, with a focus on "specialist homecare units" providing help in the first instance.

He points to a new, unused, military field hospital in southern Stockholm as proof that the elderly are not being held back from treatment because of a lack of beds.

But he says it can be an "ethical dilemma" whether to administer oxygen or transfer patients to hospital.

Critics like Mikael Fjällid see that field hospital as a sign that officials in the capital have been cautious about hospitalising the elderly because they fear overstretching resources, which would be needed to cope with a future spike in cases.

How do other countries prioritise patients?

Sweden is not alone in asking healthcare workers to consider the fragility of patients when deciding whether or not to send them to hospital.

But representatives of care homes in other parts of Europe have told the BBC they do not share Swedish critics' concerns about a lack of access to treatment.

In the UK, the National Care Association says it believes care has been available for Covid-19 patients "no matter how old or sick" they are.

The Association of German Aid for the Elderly and Disabled says every patient with coronavirus symptoms is seen by a doctor and there hasn't been a single patient who has not received the care they needed. In some cases, entire care homes have been moved into hospitals. Many homes also keep emergency oxygen on site.

The Danish Nurses Association says that all patients in need of oxygen are currently sent to hospital. This could be reviewed if there is a shortage of ventilators, although age would not affect future guidelines.

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1 hour ago, stawns said:

Kids definitely do not learn more on devices.  Devices are a tool like anything else.  The distance learning has been a good interim filler, but I think everyone agrees it's no substitute for school

Thing is, kids can/will "zone out" on devices if they're not totally engaged in the content.  It's like when you plunk them in front of a TV and they often drift off.  When they're in the classroom...it's all about learning.  At home and on a device...too many distractions and the comfort level is such that they may not be as focused at times.

 

 

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Two things

from that story really got me:

 

""They told us that we shouldn't send anyone to the hospital, even if they may be 65 and have many years to live. We were told not to send them in," says Latifa Löfvenberg, a nurse who worked in several care homes around Gävle, north of Stockholm, at the beginning of the pandemic."

 

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""Some can have a lot of years left to live with loved ones, but they don't have the chance... because they never make it to the hospital," she says. "They suffocate to death. And it's a lot of panic and it's very hard to just stand by and watch."

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18 minutes ago, stawns said:

I'm sorry, but anyone stupid enough not to be cautious and scared of an infectious virus pandemic needs to get their head checked.  If there's one thing we should be scared and cautious about, that's it.

you can't let fear drive your decision making. 

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6 hours ago, skolozsy2 said:

That is a terrifying wall of text

I just learned it's all been discredited because it turns out she's a neo nazi KKK leader that is doing Trump's bidding. I've heard numerous doctors say that it works for Covid 19, these are doctors that have used it on patients and seen it with their own eyes. It has been used to successfully treat Malaria for the past 60 years. The only people i've heard disparage it was Pinnochio and his CNN buddy's..

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