Coronavirus outbreak

[Timbermen]

1 minute ago, stawns said:

I asked one question about how Dr Tam was politisizing the situation, which you accused her of

i said i didn't trust her like i do Bonnie Henry. You asked why and i told you. I've also heard she works for UN first, Canada second but i'm not saying i believe that. I admit it likely tainted my onion of her when she said that. I wasn't very clear when i brought up the US politics. I was using it as an example of why you shouldn't believe all experts. Think about it, there are experts saying Global Warming but there are also so called experts that deny it because it's politicized. It all depends who's buttering your bread, just my 2 cents, don't get all worked up. Opinions are like you know what, everybody has one.

[JM_]

3 minutes ago, Timbermen said:

i said i didn't trust her like i do Bonnie Henry. You asked why and i told you. I've also heard she works for UN first, Canada second but i'm not saying i believe that. I admit it likely tainted my onion of her when she said that. I wasn't very clear when i brought up the US politics. I was using it as an example of why you shouldn't believe all experts. Think about it, there are experts saying Global Warming but there are also so called experts that deny it because it's politicized. It all depends who's buttering your bread, just my 2 cents, don't get all worked up. Opinions are like you know what, everybody has one.

Tam has spent her entire career working in the Canadian public health system under both Conservative and Liberal governments .... why would you think she's "UN first"? 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Timbermen said:

Didn't she threaten every one with criminal prosecution for forgetting to stay 2 meters away from each other?

I don't recall that...do you have a point of reference for this?

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4 minutes ago, Timbermen said:

i said i didn't trust her like i do Bonnie Henry. You asked why and i told you. I've also heard she works for UN first, Canada second but i'm not saying i believe that. I admit it likely tainted my onion of her when she said that. I wasn't very clear when i brought up the US politics. I was using it as an example of why you shouldn't believe all experts. Think about it, there are experts saying Global Warming but there are also so called experts that deny it because it's politicized. It all depends who's buttering your bread, just my 2 cents, don't get all worked up. Opinions are like you know what, everybody has one.

You're posts were very unclear and seemed to mysteriously be conflating the Canadian PHO with American politics.

 

It made very little sense.

 

You then attacked @stawns ability in his profession for questioning what the hell you were talking about.

 

Now you accuse him of getting 'all worked up'.

[Timbermen]

Just now, Jimmy McGill said:

Tam has spent her entire career working in the Canadian public health system under both Conservative and Liberal governments .... why would you think she's "UN first"? 

 

 

Like i said, I'm not saying i believe that but there are FB memes implying it, i'm aware most of what's on FB is BS too. Thats why i said,'m not saying i believe that. You just educated me on something i did not know. That's what this forum is for, yea? Now that i know she's spent her entire career here, definatley puts those conspiracy memes to rest.

[JM_]

Just now, Timbermen said:

Like i said, I'm not saying i believe that but there are FB memes implying it, i'm aware most of what's on FB is BS too. Thats why i said,'m not saying i believe that. You just educated me on something i did not know. That's what this forum is for, yea? Now that i know she's spent her entire career here, definatley puts those conspiracy memes to rest.

it is, thats why I like talking to people with different and strong opinions. It doesn't have to get pissy.

 

FB and other social media does more harm than good imo. 

[RUPERTKBD]

17 minutes ago, Timbermen said:

i said i didn't trust her like i do Bonnie Henry. You asked why and i told you. I've also heard she works for UN first, Canada second but i'm not saying i believe that. I admit it likely tainted my onion of her when she said that. I wasn't very clear when i brought up the US politics. I was using it as an example of why you shouldn't believe all experts. Think about it, there are experts saying Global Warming but there are also so called experts that deny it because it's politicized. It all depends who's buttering your bread, just my 2 cents, don't get all worked up. Opinions are like you know what, everybody has one.

I'm with Deb....I don't recall Tam threatening legal action for people who refuse to practice social distancing and after searching, I can't find evidence of it. The closest thing I could find is this:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-governments-threaten-fines-arrests-to-enforce-covid-19-isolation/

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Federal Health Minister Patty Hajdu urged Canadians to follow self-isolation measures now to prevent more severe restrictions if the pandemic gets out of control.

“When people are playing loose ... with the rules like this, it does actually put our civil liberties in jeopardy — it makes government have to look at more and more stringent measures to actually contain people in their own homes," she said Saturday.

“Politicians and governments will be pushed to a place to take more and more stringent measures when people violate them and don’t take them seriously.”

 

It makes zero sense for Tam to threaten any type of legal action, because she is well aware that this is outside of her mandate.

Edited May 24, 2020 by RUPERTKBD

[BPA]

7 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

it is, thats why I like talking to people with different and strong opinions. It doesn't have to get pissy.

 

FB and other social media does more harm than good imo. 

I've been preaching FB is evil for years but nobody listens to me.

 

 

PS.  I don't have a FB account. 

[RUPERTKBD]

2 minutes ago, BPA said:

I've been preaching FB is evil for years but nobody listens to me.

 

 

PS.  I don't have a FB account. 

Me either. But if we did, I'd give you a "like" for that comment....

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23 minutes ago, Timbermen said:

i said i didn't trust her like i do Bonnie Henry. You asked why and i told you. I've also heard she works for UN first, Canada second but i'm not saying i believe that. I admit it likely tainted my onion of her when she said that. I wasn't very clear when i brought up the US politics. I was using it as an example of why you shouldn't believe all experts. Think about it, there are experts saying Global Warming but there are also so called experts that deny it because it's politicized. It all depends who's buttering your bread, just my 2 cents, don't get all worked up. Opinions are like you know what, everybody has one.

It's important NOT to put things out there based on your personal "feelings" and hearsay because some gobble it up as fact.

 

You shouldn't believe everything you hear/read...correct.  But you also are presenting a tainted view on someone based on those very things!

 

We have trusted experts who have clearly done a fairly good job in a big picture way to date of navigating us through this crisis.  Understand that they, too, are learning on the fly with a novel coronavirus that isn't fully understood yet.  That they have to make decisions weighing out everything they do have and they won't always be perfect.  

 

I trust Dr. Tam.  I feel she's done a wonderful job, even if it was slow out of the gates it was likely due to "needing information" that just wasn't there yet.   A fairly well balanced approach to date.

 

If you don't trust someone that's different than stating something about them that wasn't true.  I don't recall her threatening harsh measures.  More, suggesting that it'll lead to that if people don't do what it takes...that strict measures (a last resort) may have to be considered if this thing isn't being contained through voluntary responses.  Basically a case of "the choice is yours", which means we have options.

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4 minutes ago, BPA said:

I've been preaching FB is evil for years but nobody listens to me.

 

 

PS.  I don't have a FB account. 

It's fine for keeping in touch with family, friends etc... But the (frequently inaccurate and grade school level) political memes etc are having a negative effect on political discourse.

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

From what I've read from Stawns he sounds like an incredible teacher.

[Me_]

1,000 of the nearly 100,000 dead.

 

 

 

Edited May 24, 2020 by Me_

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13 minutes ago, BPA said:

I've been preaching FB is evil for years but nobody listens to me.

 

 

PS.  I don't have a FB account. 

FB, like anything, is at the discretion of the user.  If people want to obtain "facts" from a social site that was intended to connect people, that's more their deal than it is Facebook's.  Research, compare notes, gather information then decide.  If you go to FB to get "news" you likely are fishing from the wrong pond.

 

I like to see what's out there and then put it all together to decide what I feel is credible or not.  We all should be responsible for that - not just to grab something and run.  We also all have likely done that at some point...but be open to people who can prove things wrong or at least try to.  Be a sponge and absorb things then squeeze what you want out of them.  Not a rock.

[RUPERTKBD]

Just now, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

From what I've read from Stawns he sounds like an incredible teacher.

@stawns is a former hockey player (like me)

 

Hockey players make excellent professionals, especially teachers.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

1 hour ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

I honestly can say I haven’t seen any GOT. I was going to wait till it was over and then power through it marathon style. But then everyone said the ending ruined the whole show and not to bother haha so I decided to spend my time else where. 

Yeah I fairly recently “binged watched” the series myself (you and I are probably the only two people on the planet that hadn’t watched the series yet at the start of the year.  Been able to catch up on what I missed.

 

But each person is different on what they may find entertaining.   

[NewbieCanuckFan]

11 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

@stawns is a former hockey player (like me)

 

Hockey players make excellent professionals, especially teachers.

Larry Robinson was a GREAT head coach.  Wayne Gretzky was not.   So there are exceptions.  

[Cerridwen]

3 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Yeah I fairly recently “binged watched” the series myself (you and I are probably the only two people on the planet that hadn’t watched the series yet at the start of the year.  Been able to catch up on what I missed.

 

But each person is different on what they may find entertaining.   

I've only ever seen the first season! Never watched a single episode of GoT when it was still in production. I did love what I saw, though. One day.....

[Sharpshooter]

1 hour ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

I honestly can say I haven’t seen any GOT. I was going to wait till it was over and then power through it marathon style. But then everyone said the ending ruined the whole show and not to bother haha so I decided to spend my time else where. 

So you listened to the ‘experts’ then?

[Timbermen]

26 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

It's important NOT to put things out there based on your personal "feelings" and hearsay because some gobble it up as fact.

 

You shouldn't believe everything you hear/read...correct.  But you also are presenting a tainted view on someone based on those very things!

 

We have trusted experts who have clearly done a fairly good job in a big picture way to date of navigating us through this crisis.  Understand that they, too, are learning on the fly with a novel coronavirus that isn't fully understood yet.  That they have to make decisions weighing out everything they do have and they won't always be perfect.  

 

I trust Dr. Tam.  I feel she's done a wonderful job, even if it was slow out of the gates it was likely due to "needing information" that just wasn't there yet.   A fairly well balanced approach to date.

 

If you don't trust someone that's different than stating something about them that wasn't true.  I don't recall her threatening harsh measures.  More, suggesting that it'll lead to that if people don't do what it takes...that strict measures (a last resort) may have to be considered if this thing isn't being contained through voluntary responses.  Basically a case of "the choice is yours", which means we have options.

True, FB is the worst at disingenuous posting on both sides though. All just clickbait, i've only used it for just over a year and there are some useful things about it, staying connected with family/friends. There is another side to it that is alot like the Nation Inquirer. Just clickbait nonsense. I've seen it ruin long time friendships, used to be a sign at the local pub, 'No politics or religious arguing allowed here.' That why, it would end up a brawl. All i said was i trust Bonnie Henry, Tam, not as much. I was asked why and was corrected in my response. I admit i was ignorant in that statement and have no reason to not trust her if what she said was misconstrued and used for clickbait.......Once again. 

Edited May 24, 2020 by Timbermen